Thinkings about the Novus Weapon...

Hi there,
Here i am today for some little maths, and some concerns about the Novus Weapon !

So, we are all okay to say that to make your novus weapon, we will be able to split and use 75 points of secondary stats points on the stats we want to.

But.. thats kinda odd, because 1 point of X isnt equal to 1 point of Y in this game ..

Concret Example: based on Crit/ SpellSpeed /Deter.
In this game 24 Crit Points Equals 17 Deter Points.
You can figure it out on i-level 90 items, some items are the same but one got 24 crit points and the other one 17 deter points. So the items are supposed to get the same "power".
Exept that we are using 24 points in one case, and only 17 in the other case ...

Concretely as WHM (But its the same idea for all the other jobs i guess):
1 crit = 0.119 hps (0.119 of efficiency).
1 SpellSpeed = 0.157 hps (no efficiency).
1 deter = 0.148 hps (0.148 of efficiency).
1 piety = 0.138 hps (0.138 of efficiency).

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For "normal stuffs", 24 crit = 17 de deter, THEN
CRIT : 24 Crit = 24 * 0.119 hps = 2.856 hps.
DETER : 17 deter = 17 * 0.148 = 2.516 hps

==> CRIT > DETER for stuffs with the normal conversion of points.
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Besides.. with Novus, converting is completely useless, you just need to take the stat with the best efficiency to get the more powerful weapon.
As WHM, we have :
31 deter.
33 piety.
11 crit.

As a conclusion, i think thats this system is kinda odd and it appears that the novus weapon is clearly superior to a basic 110 Weapon.

Thank you guys for your attention <3

Tell me what you guys think about it.

PS: Don troll my HPS values, they are calculated on my old i-level 90, but still, the values scales with the new i-levels.

Thryus Novus is BiS for White Mage hands down.
I'm not sure about your maths, and I don't have time to check them (I might do after work)
But;
11 Crit = 0.80% Crit Chance.
11 Det = +2hp per average heal.
Both bleh.

Spell Speed > Crit.

(I regret starting to write this... Will update later if nobody responds, sorry!)

Novus is not BiS, High Allagan Crook would be.

Yeah, but to get the HAC, you do need some luck on droping it from T9 ... And im not that lucky from now on :D

It was more in response to Ulric than anything.

What is your concern? Based on the time and effort needed to get a Novus weapon vs getting a UAT and sands (made far easier in 2.3), I think a Novus weapon should be better (or potentially better) than the soldiery weapon.

The thing is that you can get more powerful stats on your novus weapon than in soldiery weapon.
Then it is like a 110+ Weapon.
But some people will spend their points without even thinking about the no conversion system on the novus.

To sumup, it is really easy to build a crappy weapon, but with some little interest on the stats, you are able to build a complete OP weapon.

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Originally Posted by Beauxis

The thing is that you can get more powerful stats on your novus weapon than in soldiery weapon.
Then it is like a 110+ Weapon.
But some people will spend their points without even thinking about the no conversion system on the novus.

To sumup, it is really easy to build a crappy weapon, but with some little interest on the stats, you are able to build a complete OP weapon.

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Well the thing is that, especially now, a soldiery weapon is far easier to get. The other thing people often forget is that secondary stats make up a small part of your output. So while the Novus can be better if built right, it's still a minimal difference.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Novus is not BiS, High Allagan Crook would be.

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I disagree.
Yes MND is highest priority, however not at the expense of key statistics.

42 MND vs 45 MND
31 DET vs 22 DET
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HA heals +6~ more...

You lose out of so much more PIE, DET and gain what, Spell Speed. For practical use, HA isn't an optimised weapon.

Yes, the Novus breaks the established secondary stat caps on basic(Soldiery) i110 weapons... but only if you put enough Determination and/or Piety on it.

When push comes to shove, the difference these stats will make is a increase of perhaps between 0.5-1% in performance over the Soldiery weapon if the Novus is fully optimized, so it's not worth fretting too much over. It's still kind of dumb though that there is an imbalance between some Novus weapons, other Novus weapons, and the Soldiery weapons even though they are the same item level.

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Originally Posted by UlricCraft

I disagree.
Yes MND is highest priority, however not at the expense of key statistics.

42 MND vs 45 MND
31 DET vs 22 DET
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HA heals +6~ more...

You lose out of so much more PIE, DET and gain what, Spell Speed. For practical use, HA isn't an optimised weapon.

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Also, Weapon Damage Trumps. It trumps EVERYTHING. That's not 3 more mind you're dealing with, that's the equivalent of 19-20 more Mind. That's what makes High Allagan BiS for everyone irrespective of Secondary Stats.

Just a warning to whoever reads this (as a side note, not against his main point). Whenever someone says Det is Worth X crit you can automatically know they are wrong.

The value of each changes based on the amounts of itself, and all the others you currently have. Any X=Y valuation has clearly been done at a single static value point, and misses the complexity of the relationship.

Determination has a far greater diminishing return then crit or spellspeed. Furthermore its value decreases with WD and MND.

For example. If for a hypothetical ability 1 Det added 1 Damage. If your current damage is 100 (due to WD, MND and DET) its a 1% gain. If your current is 1000 its a .01% gain. While a given % increase in speed or crit chance would remain constant in this example. You can conclude the better your gear gets the less DET is worth.

The point system for gear clearly doesn't change based your ilevel. While they may adjust it later,to use it to explain valuation is silly.