BLM concerns (End Game)

Alright, I know there are many threads here about DPS comparisons, so please excuse me for making a new thread as I was on the ropes on weather I should or not. That out of the way, I have a few concerns regarding my main Job, BLM.

It seems that many are conflicted on which dps class is the "best" for damage output, so I just want to say ahead of time, I by NO MEANS consider my Job as BLM to be any better than, say monk or ANY other dps for that matter.

I LOVE BLM I have always played this sort of class and it pains me to read about how BLM's DPS doesn't quite stack up well with some of the other classes.

I really don't know how true all that is and I do have my own personal outlook regarding all that.

My concern though (Finally XD) is will I have trouble getting in to parties for later turns in Coil as a BLM? (taking into account gearing up)

You're probably reading about BLM before the most recent patch, 2.3. Their damage got buffed almost exactly 10% in 2.3, which put them in a very competitive spot and are in no way a sub-par choice to a team if you can play well.

Just wondering only. Is Blm equal to Smn now with just 10% buff?

In Patch notes, SMN received a buff of 5% too..

With Classic examples of various videos for Coil static, most of the BLM aint a favoured DPS pt member vs melee dps

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Originally Posted by Alise

Just wondering only. Is Blm equal to Smn now with just 10% buff?

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In a standstill, in equal gear, BLM > SMN slightly but it's close. In actual content it depends on if there's AoE, multi-DoTing, how long multi-DoTs can last, how mobile the content is, how bad RNG can take you out of the fight, etc, but it's usually pretty close or SMN will win unless it's something like T8.

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Originally Posted by Ginga_K

In Patch notes, SMN received a buff of 5% too..

With Classic examples of various videos for Coil static, most of the BLM aint a favoured DPS pt member vs melee dps

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SMN was not buffed by 5%. In most practical fights they weren't even buffed in the slightest - the biggest change is Bio II's MP cost reduction, which is very minor and more a QoL change than a buff.

comparing blm to smn now isnt as close as people seem to think it is, if both are highly skilled, the smn will win by a landslide on most fights, the only exception i can think of is T8, in which blm is now fighting monks for top dps if neither have responsibilities (of course a smn wont be far behind), and of course AOE intensive fights, which basically dont exist in second coil.

While BLM may not top the charts in single boss Damage over the whole fight, it has defensive buffs, amazing AOE and great burst damage. All of which has it's own utility uses. With the single target increase BLM is a great endgame class

Black mage is in a really good position right now and can handle any fight with enough practice. If you like the job then go for it, its fun and can be rewarding to learn.

Alright thank you all very much for your feedback. I am sitting at 50 with my BLM and am working on my ATMA atm. I am glad to hear al the work I put into the toon is not in vain. :D See you all in game.

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Originally Posted by drmambo1999

Alright, I know there are many threads here about DPS comparisons, so please excuse me for making a new thread as I was on the ropes on weather I should or not. That out of the way, I have a few concerns regarding my main Job, BLM.

It seems that many are conflicted on which dps class is the "best" for damage output, so I just want to say ahead of time, I by NO MEANS consider my Job as BLM to be any better than, say monk or ANY other dps for that matter.

I LOVE BLM I have always played this sort of class and it pains me to read about how BLM's DPS doesn't quite stack up well with some of the other classes.

I really don't know how true all that is and I do have my own personal outlook regarding all that.

My concern though (Finally XD) is will I have trouble getting in to parties for later turns in Coil as a BLM? (taking into account gearing up)

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Once you learn all your skills being a blm. Your one and only concern is your own luck. The more luck you have, the better your job is. BLM is a luck-dependent job.

To answer the questions about getting into parties... well, sadly, the answer is yes. Still, people tend to choose to recruit other jobs rather than blm in the current state of game.

just going to leave this here so you can see some blm potential end game. I parse well through every fight in this game, like I said it just takes practice and dedication. (this isnt my best parse, just the best recording I have of one.) Every dps in this static group is well over 400, like way over. This is my static - Legacy of Sargatanas PST static.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzt3plGE46k

http://legacyffxiv.com/forums/upload...9_145_8183.png

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Originally Posted by Xisin

just going to leave this here so you can see some blm potential end game. I parse well through every fight in this game, like I said it just takes practice and dedication. (this isnt my best parse, just the best recording I have of one.) Every dps in this static group is well over 400, like way over. This is my static - Legacy of Sargatanas PST static.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzt3plGE46k

http://legacyffxiv.com/forums/upload...9_145_8183.png

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Thank you. This gives me a good idea for what to aim for. My biggest issue is going to be in the beginning I think. Not knowing the fight in end game stuff will hurt my DPS at first but it has to happen at some point. I wish I could gauge my DPS on ps4. I guess I will just need to find a PC player who can gauge it for me.

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Originally Posted by Umero

Once you learn all your skills being a blm. Your one and only concern is your own luck. The more luck you have, the better your job is. BLM is a luck-dependent job.

To answer the questions about getting into parties... well, sadly, the answer is yes. Still, people tend to choose to recruit other jobs rather than blm in the current state of game.

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It is so funny too. I was originally torn between SMN and BLM when I first started this game. I chose SMN at first and enjoyed my gameplay, but was hearing from a lot of people that BLM was preferred over SMN for their burst damage, so I decided since I was torn to begin with I would switch over to BLM to make it easier to get into groups. I ended up LOVING it! The rotation is simple enough but I personally like having to be on my toes and figure out where I can stand and get the most damage in new fights. Now I am hearing the opposite though, that BLMs are having a hard time finding parties. ah Irony XD

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Originally Posted by Ginga_K

In Patch notes, SMN received a buff of 5% too.

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No, actually, it wasn't.

The only dps related buff to SMN was on Ifrit, and at least one of the moves (I forget what the other one is) is a move you'll rarely have him do because you want to keep your egi on obey unless it's titan-egi, because it's better dps (especially on Garuda-Egi) and keeps Ifrit-Egi from using his stun. Even with the buff to Ifrit, it's still better dps for the SMN to use Garuda-Egi, thus no actual change to SMN's current dps.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Just wondering only. Is Blm equal to Smn now with just 10% buff?

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I don't know if we're equal to SMN yet as far as overall DPS, especially in movement-heavy fights (but really, we shouldn't be equal to them in movement-heavy fights, that's their strong point while ours is our burst).

However, this buff not only increased our dps, but all increased our burst capability, so we're now even better at the thing we've always been able to do better than smn. Before, being better burst didn't mean as much because of how much lower our overall DPS was. Now that the gap in overall DPS is smaller and we're -even better- at burst, that makes the strength/weakness aspect more significant. I know at least some people for Second Coil will use BLM for certain turns and switch to smn for other turns, depending on which brings more appropriate tools for that fight. So far, I haven't done any turns where I felt the need to go SMN instead of BLM, myself, but I have that option open. Also, my static runs one SMN and one BLM as our primary make-up, though we both have the ability to switch to the other if we decide we would rather have two blm or two smn for a particular fight.

To be fair, I don't get this luck part people are talking about. Sure, in some fights you have more procs and you will have higher DPS. I however pretty much deal good damage in all my fights and they are always pretty close to each other. And there is definitely more room for BLM now in parties (at least in Odin). Do not use Xisin as a prime example though. He is - without a doubt a very good BLM - but it's not the norm seeing he gets treated very well by his Bard? Or am I mixing persons up here? I push 430 DPS as an iLVL 106 BLM (High Allagan weapon) with one Requiem that's not battlevoiced.

i got three reqs, one bv at the beginning, one before the third dread and one normal at the end (they both had it on at the end lol miscommunication so really 2 1/2) the other bv went to paeon as the bards will sing it for one another. This is about what I get every week. I don't actually understand why bards don't sing more often - not like it hurts them that much, so this should be the norm... not the exception. Emp the bard in this parse pulls 430+ on a normal basis (thats with singing 3 songs folks 1 paeon 2 reqs.)

BLM is THE highest DPS right now, though they are a bit RNG base. In purely stationary fights, a comparable melee will beat you but not by much. In the majority of the fights though, melee won't beat you, the most they will do is around the same damage in some fights. Oh and did I mention that melee still have to deal with more crap than you? Its not as bad as before but they still have to deal with more crap that you do. In aoe damage, its absolutely no contest, BLMs are so far ahead that the others aren't even on the chart.

So yeah, if you want the most OP DPS right now, play BLM. Judging by the sheer amount of BLMs around since this patch, I would say most people already figure this out. Until SE does something about this, play BLM. If SE don't, then BLM forever.

monk still does more damage >_> drg does the same while having a pierce debuff for bards... BLM is where it should be a turret dps... actually doing good damage while being able to turret. T6 drg mnk smn still beat us (if you dont do super slug methods) Heres what I suggest to you, (sorry guys some ego inc.) if you want to beat my numbers you can, you just have to step your game up you are a monk I cant beat you on turn 8 if you were gcd for gcd equal or better than me.

SMn beats blm on t7 dps
mnk beats blm on t8
idk who wins on t9 smn or blm havent made my mind up
several beats us on t6 (granted your party doesnt babysit you and break your vines for you - but if thats the case you are forcing melees to break vines.)

A good melee (top end melee not riff raff) can still beat me on alot of fights. But judging by some of your previous posts (including a really funny one of you pretending to be a blm with a single digit level thm) then you are pretty biased.

As yoshida states - blm is meant to be PURE dps. (reads: should beat a smn)

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Originally Posted by Xisin

i got three reqs, one bv at the beginning, one before the third dread and one normal at the end (they both had it on at the end lol miscommunication so really 2 1/2) the other bv went to paeon as the bards will sing it for one another. This is about what I get every week. I don't actually understand why bards don't sing more often - not like it hurts them that much, so this should be the norm... not the exception. Emp the bard in this parse pulls 430+ on a normal basis (thats with singing 3 songs folks 1 paeon 2 reqs.)

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Really should see more Requiems from bards in general as it doesn't reduce their DPS at all. Only ballad and paeon do.

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Originally Posted by Xisin

several beats us on t6 (granted your party doesnt babysit you and break your vines for you - but if thats the case you are forcing melees to break vines.)

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I've been very lucky in T6 past few weeks. I rarely get vines or pollen or even honey on me, so I was beating our smn in dps until she got i110 weapon (and I was still using i90 weapon as I only just finally managed to get wave staff to drop, and had been working on upgrading Omnilex since I started out as sch for our static before some changes let me switch to my beloved blm, so my Stardust Rod is still zenith). Now's about 20 ahead of me on total dps. Our Monk is almost always ahead of both of us, unless he just gets incredibly unlucky with vines/pollen/honey.

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Originally Posted by YanderePrincess

I've been very lucky in T6 past few weeks. I rarely get vines or pollen or even honey on me, so I was beating our smn in dps until she got i110 weapon (and I was still using i90 weapon as I only just finally managed to get wave staff to drop, and had been working on upgrading Omnilex since I started out as sch for our static before some changes let me switch to my beloved blm, so my Stardust Rod is still zenith). Now's about 20 ahead of me on total dps. Our Monk is almost always ahead of both of us, unless he just gets incredibly unlucky with vines/pollen/honey.

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how much you did and what ilvl?

highest i seen for blm on t6 483

483 DPS on T6 seems a bit excessive, don't you think. Perhaps you meant T8. Because 483 is already pretty high on T8 which is basically a static fight for the BLM. Which player achieved this, if I may ask? Because it's just so surprising to me. Can you please watch my video and tell me where the 120 DPS is gone to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMkl_oWFFA8&hd=1
By the way, yesterday I pushed 340 DPS on T9 (end), I don't think I'm a bad Black Mage.
Also, I'd like to ask a question. You know on T9, sometimes I too go to middle for Termionic Beam, right (wrong spelling most likely). When he is about to jump my cast is in the middle (timer) and it does not finish when he goes behind me even if I turn my camera toward the boss. I've seen players which casts have not been interrupted. I play with a controller.

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

483 DPS on T6 seems a bit excessive, don't you think. Perhaps you meant T8. Because 483 is already pretty high on T8 which is basically a static fight for the BLM. Which player achieved this, if I may ask? Because it's just so surprising to me. Can you please watch my video and tell me where the 120 DPS is gone to? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMkl_oWFFA8&hd=1
By the way, yesterday I pushed 340 DPS on T9 (end), I don't think I'm a bad Black Mage.

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no its T6 there is a vid around if you look good

here the parser i blocked names since it doesnt belong to me

~http://i61.tinypic.com/2nsz6rm.jpg

4.30 min + Battlevoiced Requiem + not getting sucked in will probably get you that then. Probably combined with some intelligence potions and maybe poison potions. Maybe he got to Flare the slugs too. Nonetheless, that is a very impressive number. Mind telling me which guild it is? I would love to see the video. Perhaps send me a PMN And that Warrior's DPS ... What the hell haha, he probably has strength jewels.

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

4.30 min + Battlevoiced Requiem + not getting sucked in will probably get you that then. Probably combined with some intelligence potions and maybe poison potions. Maybe he got to Flare the slugs too. Nonetheless, that is a very impressive number. Mind telling me which guild it is? I would love to see the video.

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Death and taxes from Gilgamish

btw this parser was before BLM buff

So you're telling me that this BLM does about 150 more DPS than me? I would like to challenge anyone to watch my video (it's not perfect, I know) and tell me where I can get an extra 40000 DMG from. I will try and look for the video. Is it the BLM who's recorded?

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

So you're telling me that this BLM does about 150 more DPS than me? I would like to challenge anyone to watch my video (it's not perfect, I know) and tell me where I can get an extra 40000 DMG from. I will try and look for the video. Is it the BLM who's recorded?

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it was mnk pov in the video however there was mini parse window in the fight

the other blm got low because he dead

I can not for the life of me find that video

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Originally Posted by ViviAnimus

I can not for the life of me find that video

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if you got skype invite please

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or steam jin_mori

I have added you (Villainy)

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Originally Posted by Gildarts

how much you did and what ilvl?

highest i seen for blm on t6 483

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i98 last time, still using Stardust Rod Zenith, and with my accuracy at 243 (so not quite to cap) and using HQ buttons on a blanket for food, I did ~255 on our most recent win. SMN was about 273, her + garuda-egi combined. Monk was close to 300, I think. We're fairly new to Second Coil (this week was our second win).

I'm all i100 gear except for ring (allagan ring), neck (high allagan choker), and weapon (wave staff now, stardust rod zenith before), and for that 255 parse, all the i100 pieces were soldiery (though I've now switched to scylla legs to bump my acc up to the cap for T6-7, and have Scylla Body available to meet T8-9 cap if/when we get there). I'm not actually sure what the SMN's gear is, aside from i110 weapon, one i110 accessory (unweathered something) and one i110 left side (also an unweathered item).

The reason why that BLM did 480+ on T6 is because the group strat was to just AOE slugs before acid rain, he got double flares in soon before the kill. Not saying that's that cheating but if it were to just pure single target, it'll be a lot lower.

your dps on turn 6 is very strat oritented. I get numbers like that if we go superslug - it also depends on if you have two blms cause you share flares. etc. then finally how fast does the target go down after the flare essentially one blm is going to get fucked on the aoe due to a two blm set up.

also your numbers are fine so your a good blm.

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Originally Posted by Samano

The reason why that BLM did 480+ on T6 is because the group strat was to just AOE slugs before acid rain, he got double flares in soon before the kill. Not saying that's that cheating but if it were to just pure single target, it'll be a lot lower.

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flaring twice did made him do higher, but he was already at 467 before he flare the slugs

Let me put it like this though. Double flare (I take it both were with AFIII) on 4 mobs with requiem (perhaps battlevoiced) with ilvl 110 gear (I'm pretty sure he was atm) = a minimum of 8k DMG and a maximum of 12k DMG / Flare = a Maximum of 24k DMG. The total DMG done is 130k. Let us say he did about 20k DMG = +- 16% of total Damage Done. So according to that logic -> if 480 DPS = 130k DMG, then if we take away the DMG done by double flare - 20k DMG (minus 16%) = 110K DMG. So 480 -16% (77) = 403 DPS. Let us then add +20 DPS worth of single fire I and procs and stuff = 423 DPS
Combine this with a Voiced Requiem at the start, Intelligence pots and perhaps poison pots, not getting sucked in, perhaps using auto-attack, only a 4.30 min fight and you will probably get that number. I can't know the amount of crits he had, but I take it was a lot. You can not attribute this high number to pure skill alone because it would be too simplistic. It's crystal clear that the fight was fought in his favour.

One of the things that I don't see enough BLMs do in movement-intensive fights is take full advantage of Swiftcast. If you find yourself running to avoid AoEs or due to a game mechanic and you lose UI3 or AF3, Swiftcast a Fire III to get back into your rotation (or Blizzard 3 if you're low on MP). Trying to cast Fire III raw seems to take forever. Just use Swiftcast. What are you saving it for? Also, throw in a Scathe once you start moving.

ABC: Always Be Casting.

Anyway, don't worry about not getting into someone's static because you're a BLM. Do what I did. Start your own. That way YOU set the Jobs and don't have to worry about someone turning you away because of your Job. Also, I had a member of my FC come to me yesterday about joining their SCoB static and I politely declined because I already have one. There is demand for people who are serious about progression and aren't bad players.

Fact is, there are no "bad" Jobs in FFXIV. Every single Job in the game can be played at a high level and I really have to give credit to SE on that. When WAR was well below PLD in popularity they buffed just about everything on WAR and made it a very good Job. One that I really want to level if I can get over this addiction to Hunts. BLM is by no means underpowered. Keep Calm And Burn 'em Down.

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Originally Posted by Xisin

just going to leave this here so you can see some blm potential end game. I parse well through every fight in this game, like I said it just takes practice and dedication. (this isnt my best parse, just the best recording I have of one.) Every dps in this static group is well over 400, like way over. This is my static - Legacy of Sargatanas PST static.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzt3plGE46k



http://legacyffxiv.com/forums/upload...9_145_8183.png

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Nice one , but man the RNG god was with you for the full fight, you had a proc every 2-3 casts lol. If your bards were keeping FOE up the whole time this could easily be 500+. Personally I never managed to break more than 460 there , but again you rarelly see all those procs in a fight.

Seems this is getting pretty long, just gonna throw a tl;dr out there for people who come into the thread late:

10% buff to BLM make BLM generally higher single target while standing still vs. SMN but high movement situations still cause SMN to come out on top.
High Foes req uptime required to compete with Monks in single target, but still possible.
BLM are fine now, they still take a fair amount of skill to master (minimizing movement is huge), but hey, at least now the "best" BLMs isn't only doing as much as "average" SMNs but better.