Fixing "The Hunt"

Dear Battle Designers or whatever team has any sort of input into designing battle content:

Take a leaf from 90% of the rest of the battle content you've designed for this game and allow the Hunts to be instanced. Just found Nahn on Hyperion, shouted position for those in the area, saw folks gather around, saying to hold it and one smart-arse PLD decides to pull it, inciting everyone to just destroy the mob. By making them instanced, you could keep the cooldowns active like you have between possible spawns, keeping the content gated while getting rid of the potential for trolling by the playerbase.

For example:

B Ranks could be able to be challenged every 30 minutes by up to 4 players, starting at your Grand Company, with a chance to drop an Elite Mark Rank A bait for the same zone (Maybe it's a different name for each enemy) at a medium drop rate. Said A Ranks will be able to be challenged by a full party, on average, every 2-3 hours, and will have a fairly low chance to drop an S Rank bait, who could be challenged by a more than one full party in an alliance-style setup similar to Crystal Tower content for the same zone, similar to B to A rank upgrade. To prevent bait hoarding, maybe have them expire on a daily cooldown, on the same reset timer as daily quests.

As a result of this change, Allied Seals may be slightly easier or harder to come by as a whole, but individuals would be able to enjoy the content with their friends without worry of the community ruining the chances of it. When I refer to instancing in this context, I mean similar to Levequests, not requiring extra server infrastructure.

Nothing in your proposal is new, just use one of the countless threads about the same topic.

Not everything needs to be instanced to be fun. It's a hunt, not a petting zoo.

Fixing the Hunt... more like breaking it. there is enough instances..what dont ppl get about OPEN WORLD content?? and what dont ppl get about B-4man pt to bring down, A-8ppl and S multiple pts of 8.. SO WHAT IF PPL PULL.. its nice if they wait but they DONT have to.. stop complaining! As i said there is enough instanced things.. if you dont like open world content go back to your instances and leave ppl that like open world content alone

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Originally Posted by Platinum_Disco

Not everything needs to be instanced to be fun. It's a hunt, not a petting zoo.

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It's far from a hunt: you see the monster, you are kind enough to wait a bit, then someone pulls, 3 sec max, the zoo is gone to the next map.

you get: 1 Allied Seal, 1 Myth, 1 Soldiery. Your mark isnt done for the week. You can't join their full party.

So yeah, sad but instance would fix that. then again you are right, it won't be called a Hunt, just another.. easy trial.

So what's your solution, SE?

Cause we are trying to figure it out, and we can't agree and we can't edit the Code. You can.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

It's far from a hunt: you see the monster, you are kind enough to wait a bit, then someone pulls, 3 sec max, the zoo is gone to the next map.

you get: 1 Allied Seal, 1 Myth, 1 Soldiery. Your mark isnt done for the week. You can't join their full party.

So yeah, sad but instance would fix that. then again you are right, it won't be called a Hunt, just another.. easy trial.

So what's your solution, SE?

Cause we are trying to figure it out, and we can't agree and we can't edit the Code. You can.

Thank you.

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if you're already at the mark you should be getting full credit - sounds like you're just salty. Again, it's a hunt, not a petting zoo. Open world content like this is meant to be done as a collaborative group effort, and in some situations, a competitive one. If you don't enjoy doing it then don't do it.

Fixing the hunt in 1 simple move;
Give everyone who participated(i.e hit the monster) bill clearance, I don't care about the kill reward, all I want is the bill clearance.
Keep the kill reward the way it is, idgaf.

@Platinum_Disco; No, bad kitty. *spritz*

It is frustrating when the weekly mark is B class and dies in 10 seconds or less, making the early pulling so bad. I suggest that the weekly mark have it's HP increased by a couple orders of magnitude to allow more people to make it. Instanced hunts are not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

It is frustrating when the weekly mark is B class and dies in 10 seconds or less, making the early pulling so bad. I suggest that the weekly mark have it's HP increased by a couple orders of magnitude to allow more people to make it. Instanced hunts are not a good idea.

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I think it's pretty funny that the bills are supposed to be for the "casuals" to "do it at their own pace", since it's those people who are perhaps LEAST likely to ever get the actual credit for the elite bill of the week. Hunts were clearly designed in some kind of a vacuum where no one designing them talked to anyone who has played an MMO with anything even remotely close to open world content. Surprising, since FFXIV team could have talked to FFXI team... Or played FFXI... Or read about FFXI. Didn't even need to leave their own company to see this coming.

Oh, another thread :) . Cap oils and sands at one a week, decrease rewards for markless hunts, and award seals from other activites. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Oh, another thread :) . Cap oils and sands at one a week, decrease rewards for markless hunts, and award seals from other activites. Problem solved.

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Co-signed.

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Originally Posted by Kagari_Asuha

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Oh, another thread :) . Cap oils and sands at one a week, decrease rewards for markless hunts, and award seals from other activites. Problem solved.

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Co-signed.

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That might backfire. The devs intention is to not cap oils and sands. The only point of suggesting to add a cap is to decrease the numbers of people hunting latter in the week. The OP's suggestion is pretty good. It is orderly, paced, and repeatable, but without the pvp competitiveness.

Oh please no. Almost EVERYTHING in this game is instanced. People were asking for Outer world content, and this is it. Please, for the love of Bob down the street, don't ever make these instanced. Although Hunting is incredibly flawed, with tweaking it could be great. Making it instanced isn't one of them.

My solution would be to have a modified claiming system. Before the torches come out, here's the explanation:

Once a mark spawns, it has a set radius that tracks players that come within a certain distance of it. For B rank NM's, it could be like 5 people, A ranks would track the first 15 people in range, and S ranks could track the first 30 people in range (subject to change, of course).

Once engaged - or if it engages you - those first players within range of it are given a little icon indicating that you were there first/found the NM, and if you keep the icon throughout the whole fight until the NM is defeated, you get full credit. I chose an odd number because I know some people solo or go in smaller groups with friends, but would still like full credit.
The "full credit icon" would be lost if you went out of range of the NM, in which another person could take your spot. It's a claiming system, but since people die or move out of range, others could have a chance still. This could go two ways, by allowing people WITHOUT the icon to attack (effectively discouraging them from participating OR the fight may go faster, but they get no rewards), or by LOCKING OUT the people without the icon (such as "the max capacity of participants for this Hunt has been reached").


Pros:
*It keeps the intended party size originally created for the NMs, keeping them challenging.
*It keeps parties from splitting up and covering a whole zone or multiple zones (virtually nullifying a radar), as 1 or 2 people in a full party might spot an NM, but the rest could be potentially locked out if they don't show up before others.
*It gives solo players and smaller groups a chance for full credit by working with others by keeping them alive. Imagine ........ a hunt system ENCOURAGING healing and helping out randoms.
*Full credit!

Cons:
*Known spawn points could be packed and hard to determine who was in the area first.
*Lots of people getting locked out. Though there's a chance to rejoin the fight, there's no guarantee and could lead to many missed opportunities (like minimal credit rewards aren't bad enough already XD)
*Do chocobos count?

TL;DR: This keeps the system as it was intended - for a certain number of participants to get full rewards for bringing down on-the-spot NMs. Being at the right place at the right time is a matter of time-keeping and information, not looking at a radar, so limit who gets full rewards by who was there first and keeping the battle size as was intended.

Sure there's a lot more refining to do, but this seems pretty fair and favors people that actively keep info on hunts or people who randomly find one.

They don't have to instance hunts, turn them into the currency-gear farming alternative ppl asked for, just remove sand, oils and alex and halve myths, let the intanced crowd go back to the instanced content, and the open world crowd hunt in the open world, even if we have to progress at a slower pace.

Huts are seriously killing dungeons, making them easier (instancing them) mill make the situation even worse.

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Originally Posted by Merylx

Oh please no. Almost EVERYTHING in this game is instanced. People were asking for Outer world content, and this is it. Please, for the love of Bob down the street, don't ever make these instanced. Although Hunting is incredibly flawed, with tweaking it could be great. Making it instanced isn't one of them.

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OP did say instanced, but the main idea of the OP is really good and doesn't need to be instanced. It could be made a duty, like leves. Could be like; we go to the hunter scholar in an area, talk to him or her and that activates the leve. We use bait and or some witty thing discerned from a riddle.

1. Create a party.
2. Get the Hunt Mark.
3. Go to the spawn point.
4. Spawn the mob.
5. Kill the mob.
6. Get reward.

Can do only ONCE a week like all the rest of the shitty content. Problem solved.

SE has a lot of suggestions on how to "fix" the system. Unfortunately most of them seem to be playing with how many seals someone gets from monsters or capping oils / sands. The problem is that the hunt system isn't much of a system at all. When people are zerging NMs, that isn't the hunt system: that is the players cashing in on the Notorious monsters giving a lot of currency. The hunt system is that job board that gives out papers targeting specific monsters for extermination. They have the rewards set too low on the normal papers and the elite mark is near impossible to get due to it requiring killing a specific rare spawn monster, which if Naul is any indication, is over farmed to the extreme. The best solution would be to make the elite mark more of a leve type quest that players can only pick up once a week, while buffing the rewards of the normal papers.

As for the NMs themselves, they are fine as is. The people grinding those hunting seals via NM farming are probably the same people who had no problem with doing Atma grinding. I think we all know how popular Atma grinding is on the forum.