Can't blame people for NOT doing dungeon. Answer? CRAFTING MATERIAL

People have been saying Hunt is the reason doing nto doing dungeon anymore. Not quite the entire truth. It is true that Hunt reward are excellent but that is not the only reason. The new dungeon are slow, very slow, with tons of the anti-speed run mechanic in place. That not all, the odds of company seal crafting material in box chest are too damn high. More than a few time where every chest is crafting material when we were going for vanity gear.

ST vanity gear can be gotten once a week, new dungeon vanity does not exist. That leave us with the Hunt vanity gear, somethign peoepl can visibly work toward to. Back then people run Brayfox not only becuse of fast myth but also vanity gear.

You aren't wrong. Why run a dungeon where there is a high chance of getting something totally useless to me when I can do Hunts and get one currency that I can use for anything?

Interesting considering there are people who run dungeons to get company seal mats as well, but I guess those people don't count.

The answer is not just crafting materials being dropped from boss chests.

It is a combination of mats dropping from boss chests, hunts giving far better tomes-to-time ratio, new dungeons not able to be speedrun-ed as fast as Brayflox could be, general rise in difficulty of new dungeons and last but not least, Sands of Time.

All those factors compounded together simply cause people to turn towards the hunts for better rewards for their time.

Say HELLO to double filter water, double MINIUM, and double voidsend blood

Crafting materials should drop alongside regular dungeon gear rewards. Not be the ONLY reward

I agree, novus need tons of myth and the new dungeon is not giving it. I completely agree with you it is an compound issue. Even without sand of time, people will till rush to Hunt because of the vanity and the good myth. I recall people wish to get rid of speed run, they got their wish but the result is: No one to run dungeon with. Hope they are happy.

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

The answer is not just crafting materials being dropped from boss chests.

It is a combination of mats dropping from boss chests, hunts giving far better tomes-to-time ratio, new dungeons not able to be speedrun-ed as fast as Brayflox could be, general rise in difficulty of new dungeons and last but not least, Sands of Time.

All those factors compounded together simply cause people to turn towards the hunts for better rewards for their time.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Crafting materials should drop alongside regular dungeon gear rewards. Not be the ONLY reward

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This I can completely agree with. I don't feel removing the mats all together is necessarily the answer.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

This I can completely agree with. I don't feel removing the mats all together is necessarily the answer.

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Why not drop both or get rid of the potion box and place crafting material in them? Everyone happy.

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

The answer is not just crafting materials being dropped from boss chests.

It is a combination of mats dropping from boss chests, hunts giving far better tomes-to-time ratio, new dungeons not able to be speedrun-ed as fast as Brayflox could be, general rise in difficulty of new dungeons and last but not least, Sands of Time.

All those factors compounded together simply cause people to turn towards the hunts for better rewards for their time.

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^This. I haven't run a dungeon in 2 days except Syrcus Tower for oil. Hunts/allied seals give way better rewards than any dungeon. The party finder is so dead on my server. In prime time it barely pushes 10 parties...some nights/evenings it doesn't push 10 parties lol.

Yes the worlds aren't barren anymore, but it's come at the cost of pretty much everything else being irrelevant now because of the hunts. Coil 2 and hunts are the only relevant piece of content imo. Which is sad because the new dungeon are really cool but...the rewards are so 'meh' especially with crafting materials constantly dropping

Well in addition to Hunt, I still do my weekyl coil and ST tower and maybe expert routtle.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Why not drop both or get rid of the potion box and place crafting material in them? Everyone happy.

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I personally have no use for the vendor trash, and have never met anyone running dungeons for that. However, getting mats that are actually necessary for crafting progression in chests is random enough as it is (ie: peacock ore, coke, lime sulfur, potash, hardened sap, and animal fat). Personally, I would even argue that the amount of seals needed should be lowered to 1000 seals/mat. Part of the reason I run dungeons personally is to save those mats up because I almost have all my DoHs to 50. I also lot all the gear as well to trade for seals to buy mats.

Oh yeah, come on, huge pull for that extra last chest, and.... ooooohh Hi-Potion!! LUCKY!!!

/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by Vespar

Crafting materials should drop alongside regular dungeon gear rewards. Not be the ONLY reward

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I'd prefer it if they dropped in the Potion chests. I don't feel motivated to do dungeons over and over if all I'm getting out of it is Filtered Water from every chest.

didnt noticed anything bout less ppl's in dungeons , everything as usual on Balmung : Coils/Myth runs/CT/ST/Ex and trash hunt PF's

The fact that OP hasn't leveled up crafter doesn't mean that dungeons suddenly should be loaded with tons of gear. I do run new dungeons especially hoping that I will get crafting materials to pimp up my private chamber or simply sell.
It actually is very good if "I want to speedrun Brayflox 20 times in arow" type of people waste their time camping Naul in Coerthas now.

I thought for a second that you're reccomending that crafting materias be given out as rewards for dungeons and I'm like, HELL YES LET'S DO IT WHY NOT BATTLE AND GATHERING MATERIAS TOO. I'm a minor crafter. I have everything at 50 but I can barely make 2 stars. I could go 2 star or 3 star but I just dont feel like it. Materia prices are killer for someone cheap like me and spritbonding is lame. I spent like 700k on crafting materia out of the blue yesterday so I can hit the craftman stat for a 2 star. Instantly regretted it.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

I personally have no use for the vendor trash, and have never met anyone running dungeons for that. However, getting mats that are actually necessary for crafting progression in chests is random enough as it is (ie: peacock ore, coke, lime sulfur, potash, hardened sap, and animal fat). Personally, I would even argue that the amount of seals needed should be lowered to 1000 seals/mat. Part of the reason I run dungeons personally is to save those mats up because I almost have all my DoHs to 50. I also lot all the gear as well to trade for seals to buy mats.

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The new dungeons drop some good looking armor that people might want for vanity (i do). The gear can also be desynth'd if you're a crafter. Putting the crafting mats in the dungeons is stupid. Those 2* mats should be out in the world somewhere, like at mining and botany nodes. Get it out of the dungeons.

And lets be realistic. For every good potash, coke or animal fat you get, you've gotten 3 drops of voidsent blood, filtered water or minium. I wouldn't doubt I would have more of the mats that I actually *wanted* from dungeons if the dungeons only dropped gear and I just traded that stuff in for seals.

I was farming Stone Vigil and Tam-Tara HMs today for Monk body, and got fast queues, I don't agree with you that people aren't doing dungeons. I DO agree that the way these crafting materials are dropped NEEDS to change. So much filtered water and voidsent blood. I just want my Monk body, and stop giving me crappy materials. I win rolls on garbage materials and roll a 4 on stuff that I actually want...

I don't mind if those potions drop, but please put the materials there, and the loot in the main chests... or change the gear to material ratio and increase the materials you get per drop to 3 so you have to get 3 rolls to make a 2 star craft from it with dungeon runs alone, otherwise it just takes forever. I used to stock up on peacock ore back when you bought it with philo with all the extra philo I had laying around, but I would sell it all for quick gil, now it's a pain for me to get it without having to farm seals or get lucky and get ONE in a dungeon.

Do you know what would happen if they put the crafting mats in regular chests?
Bots would enter, tele to chest, open, leave...

Just like they did with WP when chests could drop item that was only usable to sell for gil.

Most of the crafting mats sell from GC for 2500 GC seals, while one gear-piece can be turned in for 900 or so GC seals.
Keep things as they are, or things will only get worse again.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

I just want my Monk body, and stop giving me crappy materials. I win rolls on garbage materials and roll a 4 on stuff that I actually want...

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Rolling a 4 doesn't matter much if you actually enter as the job you want the piece for so you can needlot. Of course, there is a tiny chance that the other dps is also that job and also want to lot on it.

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Originally Posted by Adler

The fact that OP hasn't leveled up crafter doesn't mean that dungeons suddenly should be loaded with tons of gear. I do run new dungeons especially hoping that I will get crafting materials to pimp up my private chamber or simply sell.
It actually is very good if "I want to speedrun Brayflox 20 times in arow" type of people waste their time camping Naul in Coerthas now.

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In case you haven't look at my profile... all my crafting skill are maxed.

I actually like the crafting mats (ok, just potash, animal fat, hardened sap, and coke) and until this update I merely viewed getting level 70 armor as ~1/3 of a crafting mat. Now, of course, level 70 stuff is dysenthesis fodder and much more valuable than ...what would it be....~7% of the materials for a level 70 piece of gear (a single potash or the like)?

I'm all for moving them elsewhere. Hell, give level 50 MIN/BOT things to gather that people actually want! Currently they each have clusters and 2 items each that are useful enough to bother with.

They should be gathered, it's crafting stuff, why can't we gather them?

Run expert roulette every day for that free Alexandrite.

Ninja Novus isn't going to make itself, y'know.　Outside of that, dungeons are a dying breed unless you only have a very small amount of time to play (less than 2 hours a day).

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Originally Posted by Ricky

They should be gathered, it's crafting stuff, why can't we gather them?

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We don't have access to mines and other places where that stuff can be found.
I'm just wondering who keeps refilling the chests in those dungeons... Must be a dangerous task...

lol

OP, you sure ppl not doing dungeons anymore? Cause there's still lots of stuff other content can't give:
- For ppl doing Novus, doing a roulette expert are a must since it's a sure way to get daily alexandrite maps. Even if you got alot of hunt seals, I really doubt you even want to spend it buying alexandrite. lol
- Gear drops. Not only they're great for free spiritbonding, you can turn them into GC seals, and even need alot of them for leveling desynthesis.
- Oh... and again: spiritbonding, depending on situations.
- Rare drops. That baby opo-opo from brayflox HM are still highly sought and still very expensive on server's market. Mine still in 6 digit price. There's also rare drops for vanity crafting mats which several of them still quite expensive, and can still making bit of fortune at market even if you're not interested in crafting.

and there are other reasons I can't think of atm. lol

This thread was mainly to act as a counter perspective of people not doing dungeon because of Hunt. I wish to point out ti is much deeper than that and full run of filter water made one angry.a lot.

With frontline giving 50/25 myth/sold for a usually 15-20 minute pvp win or loose, I'd rather have my ass handed to me cause I'm not the best at pvp, plus all the wolf mark i can use to get desynth fodder. I only run dungeon when I'm bored and an LS or FC mat wants to run one or more. I want the MNK top like another poster, but with the chance of even seeing a piece of gear so low, I don't even bother. I'll just use the war harness for a decent look on my MNK.

Imagine when you killed a hunt, there was a 9/10 chance of getting a craft material instead of allied-seals.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Imagine when you killed a hunt, there was a 9/10 chance of getting a craft material instead of allied-seals.

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I'd love that. Would mean I wouldn't have to farm dungeons or farm GC seals to make i70 items.

After a long queue for a dungeon to get i 70-90 gear for desnything I was rewarded with, 1 coke, 4 filtered water, 1 lime sulfer, and a potash.....


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May be switching rewards, high myth quantities, sands, oils and alex to dungeons and crafting mats to hunts.

But lets face it, dungeons work fine, hunts are broken, and the main reason behind the slow death the DF is suffering is the broken reward-difficulty relation of the hunt system.

Gets worse when the item you want is on a ranged class. My queue is 20 minutes or more. Want that caster robe to go with my healer robe. Been trying since the patch released.

They should reduce the Company Seal price of crafting mats to 1500-ish (which it was in the preliminary 2.2 notes) and remove them from the drop tables of the boss coffers. Instead, add an additional coffer for the last boss that contains 3 random crafting materials. That circumvents bots position hacking to chests. There's probably some other issues but I can't think of them at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

They should be gathered, it's crafting stuff, why can't we gather them?

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Or doing it like during 1.23
A NPC selling them for 100k gil each

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Originally Posted by Sora_Oathkeeper

Hunts/allied seals give way better rewards than any dungeon.

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^^ This ^^

BTW: Crafting material SHOULD NOT be tied to DoW/M. This is why we have close to zero demand on iL70 crafted weapons/gears, when DoM/W can outfit at least one job to iL90 in a weekend, while iL70 items are forced to sell for 100K+ due to low dungeon loots.

I cap tomes on Frontline and have fun doing it. Dungeons bore me to tears.

Crafting mats are why people are not doing dungeons? Not the fact that everyone is capped in a few hours from doing hunts? The vast majority of people doing high lvl dungeons did them for the tomes, not vanity. This "issue" is being way overblown.

Something between 20-30 Expert runs since patch:
8 Divine Harvest pieces won
1 Divine War
5 Divine Light
2 Divine Hero

Still no run with only crafting mats dropped
Lost lots on all Divine Death and Divine Wisdom pieces that dropped, passed on items I already had, and lost lots on War/Light/Hero I couldn't Need.

I run dungeons for 1) Alexandrite map 2) Tomes to buy said map 3) Gear 4) Crafting mats
I do hunts as well when I'm in the mood for that

I wouldn't mind mats if it was just valuable ones. Cooking sherry and such should not even be on the drop table. They could maybe stand to up the gear drop rate a little, but that's secondary to taking out the useless drops.