Possible ways to improve hunts.

There are probably other threads but it's late/early and I don't feel like checking. One thing however is clear: Hunts are a source massive waves of server-wide anger. People are being blacklisted, expletives are been shouted like they are going out of style. No one is offering any solutions, but people are consistently sending in names to GMs trying to get others banned. It's chaos and I only blame SE.

My Solutions:

1. Starting small, improves daily hunts. How, you say? triple their rewards. As it stands, completing every daily hunt for a weeks still nets you less seals than S rank (with full credit) and without the chance of a log. So what has everyone done? Simply ignored them. If they gave 3 times as many seals, I'm certain more people will be inclined to do them.

2. Increase the health of all elites. For the B and A ranks, increase them 3-10 fold. For the S ranks, 3 fold. It might sound a tad much for the S ranks, but please remember that S ranks are on a 72 hr spawn timer and require a lot of work to spawn. Also, Increase the health of B and A ranks even more in accordance to how many people are participating (like fate bosses). For S ranks however, leave them be. (The part about fate bosses wasn't mine, but I like it).

3. And this one is entirely optional. Let A and S ranks use extremely powerful abilities on the first people to pull, ensuring that a tank pulls. And only on the first ability. It would be nice to one shot early pullers.

4. This is my favorite. If an A is pulled with less than 30 people participating, or and S with less than 75, reduce the chance of log drops for everyone by 50%, by 75% for the party that initiated, and 100% for the person who pulled. This will ensure that people actually wait. It also means that there will be enough people who can actually take down the enemies with even more health. It should be also implemented so that if a SMN stealthily pulls with a Garuda pet they also receive the penalty.

When the hunt craze craze dies down a tad, some of these restrictions can be lifted. But all of these should I believe can be easily added via hotfix.

To other players who have solutions, please posted and be sure to like so the devs can see this post.

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So you punish people for finding it before others? That's not the point of a hunt. It's to slay the monster, claim the reward. Before others. A's can be slayed by a party of 8. S is the only rank where you generally need a lot of help. Why do people feel the need to punish SMNs for a ninja pull? There is no law that they need to wait for 200 people for a B rank lol.

All they need to do is carry the modifications they've gradually made to FATEs into hunts. That would quell a lot of the simmering concerns within the community.

But what does it hurt to share with others on your server. Honestly, what does it hurt? Many people have linkshells and only look to see if anyone post coordinates, but never share their finds. They simply do not want to wait. The A ranks are on a 4 hour timer and if they just happen to be taken down by 1 group but no one else realizes, the rest of the server spends that time searching in vain. I see no down side to waiting for other people but if other people don't like the solution, they they can disagree just as you have and then SE will not implement them. I however, hope that people feel the same way I do.

I think your suggestions are good except for the last in which I agree with Hulvien. The hunts weren't intended to be an all-inclusive event as much as FATEs are. However, I think there are probably ways we could discourage people from over hunting to allow for other players to stumble upon the mobs as it were intended. Maybe limiting it so that you're only rewarded for one rank per week? But then again I feel that that detracts from the original spirit of the idea also. I just hope it's not a matter of waiting it out til the majority of the population has grown bored of this content. :(

You're mixing improvements to the system, with punishing people for playing the game.

You don't impose penalties on people, just because 200 others couldn't find the monster in question.

Remove sands and oils as possible rewards. I can't believe SE withholds adding them to CT2 for fear of making them too easy to get and then implements a system where someone can get as many as they like without any skill or even effort on their part.

In that case, how about posting a server-wide message, similar to the ones you get when your retainers return from ventures,that a certain monster has just been slain. (Only for A and S ranks). And then, people can choose to turn off the message at their leisure. It just helps so people know to stop searching.

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Originally Posted by Jacost

Remove sands and oils as possible rewards.

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This is no longer an option. It's too late for this.

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Originally Posted by gorezilla1

In that case, how about posting a server-wide message

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This is not a venture. This is a HUNT. It's about who finds it first, who slays it. No, you're meant to HUNT them, not have them handed to you by a message.

It's not handed to me by message. I'm not saying get a message when they spawn. I'm saying get a message when they die. How is that handing anything to anyone?

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Originally Posted by gorezilla1

It would be nice to one shot early pullers.

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Why should people who found it first be punished? (ignoring the use of third party stuff, that's a different story). It's a hunt; the prize is for people who find and kill it first, not for those who tag along on a mob that was found 30 minutes ago.

The worst thing about hunts is all the entitled people who think that everybody should wait for them until you can start, and the rage that follows when they don't (making it pretty unbearable for me levelling in coerthas atm).

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Originally Posted by Jacost

I can't believe SE withholds adding them to CT2 for fear of making them too easy to get and then implements a system where someone can get as many as they like without any skill or even effort on their part.

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I couldn't agree more.

The stakes are set too high which is breeding mad hate among players.

There have been multiple confirmations and eye witnesses on our server to teleport hackers who have snuck themselves into the most popular hunt LS' s and wait till a mob location has been announced and teleport to the vicinity of the mob.

Also apparently, some of the Elite FC's have their players stationed in multiple locations in every zone with a radar scanners.

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Originally Posted by gorezilla1

It's not handed to me by message. I'm not saying get a message when they spawn. I'm saying get a message when they die. How is that handing anything to anyone?

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You're telling me, for sitting around doing nothing. The game should tell me when people who are actively participating in the hunt, have slayed the mob? Then I simply time it, and deduce when I should participate to just rack A/S ranks?

For daily marks
If you have the bill their locations should be placed on the map if they are up.
If you don't have the bill then you go search for em.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

For daily marks
If you have the bill their locations should be placed on the map if they are up.
If you don't have the bill then you go search for em.

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This idea has been the best one I had read here!

What is with people raging because they didn't find the mark and other people killing it? The only mark in my opinion that need help from other are the S rank. The Bs and As can be easy kill by a full party so there is no reason to wait for others. Be gratefull that people wait 1min or so for others to arrive, they dont have to if they dont want. Also I have seen in some parties that no one know were they are and they dont search or anything, they just wait for the shout or for someone to tell them the location. For me that is not fair for the people actively looking for them and have taken the time to hunt them.

Why not some sort of Geocatching?

A friendly Monster - you can not kill...
For the Hunt you just need to find it and hit it once - random spaning...
Loot is then generated from total players who found it and spread between them with sending mogry message...
That means you can do it when you like and while you do other stuff - in add the "win" is not static and you cant grind it to death...
You will get the loot once a day and the more different monster you find the more chances you have to get loot - each monster have its own roll...
The more players find it the better, community is helping each other! Not toxic because you dont know the outcome before you get the loot at end of day...

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

The more players find it the better, community is helping each other! Not toxic because you dont know the outcome before you get the loot at end of day...

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Why does it have to be.. so everyone can find it? Its a HUNT. EVERYONE isn't meant to find it. You gotta compete, its a challenge.

fyi, your suggestion doesn't sound fun either. It's not SE fault people have to sling insults for being slow, or unlucky.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

Why does it have to be.. so everyone can find it? Its a HUNT. EVERYONE isn't meant to find it. You gotta compete, its a challenge.

fyi, your suggestion doesn't sound fun either. It's not SE fault people have to sling insults for being slow, or unlucky.

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Why is it that everything you say sounds like you're entirely against the notion of the community actually uniting? So far, I understand you don't like our ideas. You made that ABUNDANTLY clear. Stop pissing on everything else. If you have no actual suggestions, just move on. Please. What is wrong with people deducing monster locations? Would you rather have a monopoly? So far, you haven't said one helpful thing. Not one.

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Originally Posted by gorezilla1

Why is it that everything you say sounds like you're entirely against the notion of the community actually uniting?

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Unity is fine, but you initially proposed you PUNISH people because ALL could not benefit from a mark. The feature wasn't implemented with the idea that for every single monster, you MUST ALWAYS come together. That isn't hunting, its meant to be a competition. You're competing for the kill. I did offer a suggestion, in my first post. I've been against the implementation method they decided on from day 1. I've posted it, scroll through my history. Your suggestion just sound like you wish to kill a basic form of competition, in order to foster this weird definition you have of 'community unity'. I do not agree.

What about the unity that was in the pt that found it? What about the unity of the FCs who have built methods to competitively hunt these targets? (not the radar crap that apparently is going on).

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

This is a HUNT. It's about who finds it first, who slays it.

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I would agree if its like the game "Monster Hunter" but we have totally different mechanics and all your effort is in vain!
We do not play a singleplayer game and if you like to have "first one wins" you may consider not playing a MMOG?
Running north, no too late, now running west, damn it too late, running east, shit again nothing here ... damn it just camp a whole day and hope for luck... is that the game you like to play?

Some suggestions for the suggestion thread :)

A. When you get a special named hunt, you get instructions/a riddle to find it, from then on the monster is instanced(leve monster like) spawned for you somewhere in the world. You can bring any people you want along, they will get partial credit if they've already completed their hunt. (I imagine for every X rank hunt killed you get half less seals, but say their presence adds the chance to drop materials and they earn more gil). This is sort of what I wanted back in 1.0 turning into 2.0, love monster hunting- do not like monster camping/the who can hit their fastest spell faster game. For the larger hunts can add a lot more to the riddle quest like gathering items and completing certain actions, while the second highest tier is more of a find that location chocograph hunt.

Problems, non competitive and does not have a free community opportunity like a fate (will not meet random people, probably will need to make a party). Pros, A more entertaining form of a daily/weekly, non-competitive, more challenging, true hunts for everyone, no mad people ever.

B. Play shatter/ battle transition sfx when fighting nm the first time. Each group goes into a localized instance (imagine quests where you can only see your monsters or objects). First party to down the NM starts a counter, after the counter is up the monster will officially perish from the world till respawn. Create a localized party maker, can make it cute by having a sort of Calamity prayer action lol (will toss people into a party and will auto-start the fight, cannot join the party maker without being in the area in "party find mode" / prayer). In party finder mode you can choose to join a party at 75% or above, or wait for a fresh party. There will be a set player limit per instance so there is NO WAY you can zerg him, and you will be sure to see him and all the players. Will probably need be a point system ensuring you don't join a party and not take at least minimum effort (wont gauge "how well" just if you are participating).

Problems, requires a lot more code to be implemented or at least reshuffled, probably more server costly, "hunting" part is very easy if the time limit from first kill is too long- if its too short people will still be mad (1hr, plenty of time to get a party if you are logged on, 5 mins.. probably some people wanting you to wait). Pros, non-competitive, FATE "like" system, having a cap on players ensures a controllable difficulty, less zerg like.

Considering the changes made with last night hot-fix, i'm pretty pleased. To the one person stating that hunts weren't to be shared, it would seem you were wrong. All in all, Good stuff SE!