Hunts are hurting the community.

Elite marks as they stand now are hurting the game. Yes I understand that there are many threads like, but I am here to share what I observed.

1.Elite marks spawn in random locations without warning and their HP depletes within seconds.

2.Coordinates are very crucial and telling others will guarantee either the following situations.
a. A swarm of players would ask of you to not kill the target.
b. A mistake in coordinates can result in blacklisting/reporting/threatening the loss of your account for such a simple mistake. (I learned this myself and now I contacted a GM to help with my situation).
c.Hate toward any players who aggro and/or eliminate the target after constant "wait!"

3. Elite Marks are not yet designed for a large scale of players.

Share your tales of the frustration that you experience with these elite mark and suggest solutions to these problems.

And hope something can be done about this frustration that grew from this.

I thinks hunts were poorly implemented. Elite marks are way too easy to down. My solution is I will no longer actively pursue them. I have 4 Naul kills, no credit. One seal each time.

Suggested previously: Elite Hunts need to be spawned like the Treasure Maps system. Take an item given to you by The Hunts NPC, we'll call it a "warrant notice" and you only may receive one once per week for the Elite Notorious Monsters. Let it be a completely random warrant for a hunt NM whether this week you get a B rank, S rank, or A rank. Go to the location on the map where the warrant tells you the NM was last seen, and when you use the warrant on the location only people in your party can engage it. And nobody can cheat since it is YOUR hunt warrant. Much like treasure maps. Depending on the rank of the hunt NM you will need more people in your party. If it requires a lot more people then by golly just allow us to make alliances outside of dungeons so we can do this kind of thing.
Make Daily Hunts ONLY Fate monsters or Fate NMs. This makes it fair so that everyone has a chance to get credit and/or the kills they need. This way the Fates are still used and not forgotten.

It seams that most people are in agreement that 'something' is wrong, weather it be with the hunt system itself, or with the way the player base is using it. Unfortunately it doesn't matter which is right because it is the devs responsibility to come up with a solution. And I'm sorry but the idea of "wait for a few weeks and see what happens" is not a solution, it's just ignoring the problem in hopes that it fixes itself.

I'm just doing dailies for something to do. Not camping for hours looking for something thats not there... Oh wait... Atma? Yah seems very similar

when a Hunt monster is found, a Fate bubble (maybe a red one?) should pop up on the map, as well as a countdown timer of 1 or 2 minutes. And no one can attack the Hunt monster till the countdown is up.

That should give people enough time to get over there and help.

Heck, you can even have monster HP be synchronized to the amount of people inside the Fate bubble then >.>.

the problem stems from lots of players tired and burned out from daily dungeons. its a great alternative. open world. (although i agree its not as satisfying as we had hoped and feels unbalanced, based on player base)
Its new content and the hardcore players who are done running 30 runs of brayflox HM, a day, will run it til they get burned out from that too. Lots of us are hoping that it will die down to more enjoyable specs in a few weeks, if they keep hunts as they are.

(personally, I like the idea of treasure map style elite hunts but we have to wait and see how things develop)

It's making genuinely interested players who want to enjoy this feature a living hell. How in the hell are we expected to enjoy this and farm the proper way when everyone and their grandmother is in full parties of 8 rampaging through Eorzea.

And the allied seals being dispensed by these creatures is falling on depressing at this rate it's impossible to farm in a calm fashion. I've been doing hunts since day 1 since it's a feature u was looking forward to since day 1. I've only made 89 allied seals. 89. Meanwhile you tell me people are burning these so badly they have already purchased sands and oils of time to get better gear they otherwise couldn't get by participating in the appropriate content.

It's broken the community, it's broken the farming system, and it's making this game feel like being in a pig pen hoping you get a scrap of slop to eat.

And on top of that the worse offense is how the i90 myth gear is now purchasable at 40 seals for body and pants and 30 for boots gloves and hat, yet the new i70 gear is 1000 allied seals and up -_- gear at dark light level costing more than i90 gear. Like a kick in the nuts

Trouble with that is, it's not a HUNT if there's a blinking marker pointing you straight to it. I'm actually glad there's no blinking marker and wait time because MMOs aren't supposed to hold your hand and guide you to everything with zero effort, they're supposed to reward exploration and the Hunts do to an extent. I found 4 rank B mobs in an hour killing the enemies from my relic book the other day, and I found them simply because I was exploring the world.

That said, the difficulty of killing these mobs and total lack of mechanics makes for a tedious zergfest, but the biggest problem has been SE's communication. B ranks were supposed to be soloable, not something you wait on 50 people to gather before killing (that's why people are getting no credit). As of today's update however, they'll be light party level, which is what A ranks were supposed to be initially - again, not designed for 50 people to zerg down in seconds. They'll now be full party so that should help.

1. NEVER DO HUNTS BY YOURSELF. You can't complain about getting a few seals when you're trying to get full credit by yourself. Always, always, always be in a full party of people also attacking the enemy. With an A rank, I can be there the entire time, attacking it with everything I have for over a minute, but if I'm by myself and not in a party, i ain't getting full credit. I'll get half credit at best. If you're in a full party then getting full credit is a piece of cake. A few hits is all it takes, provided everybody else in the party managed to do the same.

2. Learn to accept that you can't get to every hunt. It just isn't possible. Some just spawn too far away from an aetheryte. You can try but you should go into it with low expectations. Every few you managed to get does quickly add up and sands/oil are pretty cheap. It doesn't take long to get them.

3. Be a part of a many active Hunter linkshells as you can. This makes easier to form a group and lets you know nearly all hunts that spawn and where.

It's easy to get ~100 seals in a few hours in periods where the A ranks are spawning back-to-back.

You are literally the mentality that has ruined the hunts you realize that? Everything you described is exactly what is wrong with hunts at the moment. People feel too damn entitled to everything. Hunts were meant as an individual experience at the base level and a FC at best when it came to harder kills.

They should do away with the sands and oil of time rewards completely. That is something that should only be given in coil or Syrcus tower and up.

Any B mark enemy should be locked to the the 1st person to hit it. As it should have been.

Any A mark should be locked to the 1st 4 people to hit it.
Any S mark should have their health boosted to Odin levels and have just serious mechanics to deal with. ( S ranks should be the only thing people call out for.

Personally I have a solution that may benefit everyone; With my current understanding of how code is written for games/programs, if the lines of code were rewritten on the timeworn maps to integrate a hunt mark as the map challenge, instead of just a random level 50 monster, not only would the games new patch lines of code be compressed, and therefore less bugs to worry about, but it would also increase the fairness of those of us who are getting "locked out" of hunts because of players that are greedy, and impatient. Below is my thoughts on how this could work:
Timeworn Peisteskin map (8 man): S rank hunt-40 allied seals reward, plus chest contents
Timeworn Boarskin map : A rank hunt-25 allied seals plus contents of chest
Timeworn Toadskin map : B rank hunt-15 allied seals plus contents of chest
Timeworn Goatskin map : Normal hunt-5 allied seals plus contents of chest
Timeworn Leather map : Lowest possible hunt-1 allied seal plus contents of chest

A lot of people I talk to seem to like the idea of hunts - at least B and A rank be like maps. The S ranks can stay as is but they really need to balance the rewards properly.

I said this in a previous thread, but if they implemented some sort of system that multiplied the mob's HP by the number of people in a given zone then this would actually be workable

At this point I would just like to see a response from SE already. It's been nearly three weeks and they remain as quiet as ever.

there are 3 possible ways i can see to fix this
1. add a cap to allied seals like 750 or so so that towards the end of the week things will die down
2. have the NM's HP scale to the amount of players in the zone
3. remove the item used to trade for sands/oil of time from seal vendor and have them item drop only from S ranks at a decent %

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Originally Posted by Akira

there are 3 possible ways i can see to fix this
1. add a cap to allied seals like 750 or so so that towards the end of the week things will die down
2. have the NM's HP scale to the amount of players in the zone
3. remove the item used to trade for sands/oil of time from seal vendor and have them item drop only from S ranks at a decent %

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I agree with the first 2 points. However, with almost 2 weeks under the belt, the damage is done, and more people would be upset by the removal of the items that everyone's gunning for. I think keeping it there is fine, as long as there's somewhere else you can get them. That way, many people who feel forced into the hunt to gear can finally play the way they want. Add a token system into frontlines(weekly cap), with the logs as a reward. Same on the soldiery vendor. That way, those who actually enjoy the hunt experience can enjoy it, those that would rather pvp can enjoy it, and those who like to dungeon crawl can enjoy it.

Also, hunting linkshells have become scams in and of themselves. Many requiring entry fees of over 100k gil, and they kick you once you log off so they can add room for more suckers.

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Originally Posted by Akira

there are 3 possible ways i can see to fix this
1. add a cap to allied seals like 750 or so so that towards the end of the week things will die down
2. have the NM's HP scale to the amount of players in the zone
3. remove the item used to trade for sands/oil of time from seal vendor and have them item drop only from S ranks at a decent %

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I would add they also need to curb the myth/soldiery rewards as well since their ease of drop is putting people off doing dungeons now.

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Originally Posted by Chocolate_Rain

I agree with the first 2 points. However, with almost 2 weeks under the belt, the damage is done, and more people would be upset by the removal of the items that everyone's gunning for. I think keeping it there is fine, as long as there's somewhere else you can get them. That way, many people who feel forced into the hunt to gear can finally play the way they want. Add a token system into frontlines(weekly cap), with the logs as a reward. Same on the soldiery vendor. That way, those who actually enjoy the hunt experience can enjoy it, those that would rather pvp can enjoy it, and those who like to dungeon crawl can enjoy it.

Also, hunting linkshells have become scams in and of themselves. Many requiring entry fees of over 100k gil, and they kick you once you log off so they can add room for more suckers.

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SE isn't above taking away things people liked from the game though.

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Originally Posted by Kagari_Asuha

SE isn't above taking away things people liked from the game though.

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Any examples of them removing progression items from the game after having it out as long as it has been?

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Originally Posted by NightHeart

2.Coordinates are very crucial and telling others will guarantee either the following situations.
And hope something can be done about this frustration that grew from this.

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Simple, be in a full party and don't shout its location. All your problem solved.

Think real life hunting. You go on a hunt, track down the target, stay VERY quite, and hope you can be on the mark and make the kill. Last thing you do is blow all your horns and wait for all the hunting parties to arrive and share the kill.

This is a hunt, not FATE, and the reward is designed to be given to the party that found it, yet, all of you thinks you *need to* share the 12" pie with 50 other people.

BTW: if all of you do this, and sees any player that all of a sudden pops into on your mini map, you pretty much can start tracking them as a map/TP hacks user. Once or twice may be lucky, but often enough it cannot be.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Simple, be in a full party and don't shout its location. All your problem solved.

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Everyone is certainly welcome to do this. It's an open world monster.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Think real life hunting. You go on a hunt, track down the target, stay VERY quite, and hope you can be on the mark and make the kill. Last thing you do is blow all your horns and wait for all the hunting parties to arrive and share the kill.

This is a hunt, not FATE, and the reward is designed to be given to the party that found it, yet, all of you thinks you *need to* share the 12" pie with 50 other people.

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This is a bad analogy. In a "real life hunt", say you're hunting a deer. That deer doesn't need 50 bullet holes and/or arrows in it, and splitting that deer up between 50 people will leave only a very small amount for each person involved.

The reason large groups participate in the hunt together is because if done correctly, everyone can share the full credit. It's like if you called everyone to in to kill that deer, and each and every person got their own deer carcass from killing that one deer.

Also, you will get WAY MORE allied seals by grouping up into a huge band and killing as many of the marks as possible. If you are a single party, your information resources are greatly diminished as composed to a group of 100+ people. The 100+ group is going to find way more marks than you. Your chances of finding them before the large group are poor.

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

BTW: if all of you do this, and sees any player that all of a sudden pops into on your mini map, you pretty much can start tracking them as a map/TP hacks user. Once or twice may be lucky, but often enough it cannot be.

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Yeah ok. Once again, every mark has a predicable spawn window. If 100+ people are searching all open zones, it's QUITE LIKELY that they will find any/all marks. Because one person out of the 25-50 (or more) searching your particular zone happened upon a mark you found first means they are cheating somehow? Hahahaha. Also keep in mind there are people wandering the zones doing completely other things as well, and many of them are happy to share info. These aren't barren wastelands we're talking about with no reason to go to them. Especially now that there are these hunts, every zone will be aggressively searched any time there is any possibility any kind of a mark will spawn, even B ranks.

It should be just like maps, and hard that only a group of 8 can kill it. each person can take one map a week, with max of 400 seals a week, and a book might drop randomly.

I don't think the intended result for the hunt was that half the server is huddled together in a voicechat beholden to a zones and pop times like pigs to a trough. At least if it was then I'd be furious.

It's been said a million times every time a thread like this pops up but the hunts is not hurting the community. The actual hunt is kind of fun but still tedious and a poor substitute as fate grinding but with more rng. Putting a valuable resource like sands and oils that can be farmed infinitely and within a couple hours instead of being locked out in coil and ST, or even capped per week by content that even a bot can probably do is what's killing the community in large.

However on my server people have actually settled down and once a time is stated upon discovery, usually within 1-2 hrs et depending on the distance, they pull. B sometimes go unaccounted for since its an unwritten rule that for B's if you find it you don't need to tell but for A's and obviously S's you do. I even see the same people and talk otw to a hunt or searching a zone. Sure there are the few dbags that pull early regardless but these have become rare instances. Maybe it's different on high population servers where competition is fierce.

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Originally Posted by Heat

It should be just like maps, and hard that only a group of 8 can kill it. each person can take one map a week, with max of 400 seals a week, and a book might drop randomly.

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Weekly cap on seal is not necessary if it is implemented like treasure map/leve because the daily/weekly given no. of hunt already limits the maximum no. of seals one can get.