Anyone else feeling...uninspired?

I was still in highschool when I played FFXI. I still remember sneaking through the bowels of a volcano, praying there wasn't a bomb around the corner while I re-cast Sneak, because if it smelled the magic it'd disembowel me. Knowing even if I killed it, every zombie in a mile's radius would smell the blood and come running.

I thrive on that kind of danger. Knowing there's a good chance if I mess up, I won't survive.

I have yet to experience that same thrill here outside of dungeons. I have to be romping around in a L50 area wearing L20 gear before I have to do anything more than spam a single skill to win.

I know this isn't likely to change in the future, but all the same, I miss the challenge.

It is the new age of mmo where Fun > All else.

Dying is not fun.

xi it felt dangerous because an mob at your level had about a 50/50 shot of killing you and a loss could cost you 20-30mins of xp. in XIV the hardest open world non-fate/hunt mob would be like in XI you at 75 going against a level 35mob.

As for blood agro and such, XIV is extremely dumbed down compared to the mob mechanics XI had. Again I feel this is for simplicity so people do not have it too hard outside coil.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

It is the new age of mmo where Fun > All else.

Dying is not fun.

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The trouble of course is that these new 'dumbed down' MMO mechanics offer only short term enjoyment. It's the old risk vs reward paradigm at play again. Games are getting so much easier that very little truly feels rewarding any more.

Dying might not be fun but managing to accomplish something when you know there would be a harsh penalty for failure is a LOT more fun than doing the same thing knowing there is no risk at all. Developers are so scared of having any features that might be considered 'not fun' that they seem to have forgotten that a lot of the fun of videogames comes from overcoming such challenges.

I disagree, the current mechanics are much an improvement over XI, in every way.

Video games don't run on no money.

Super hardcore game = less players = less money = no more game.

If you wear i50 or lower gear, the world and many FATE still appear challenging. However, we are literally gaining equivalent levels as we obtain higher iLv. gear and gaining such gear is relatively easy. It is for this reason that we can generally run through the world, pulling everything in sight, and barely receive a dent. It's also the reason Elite marks such as Naul die in a matter of seconds with just a few people in range. There's little way a level 49 mob will survive against an iLv. 110 player. Gear is so oriented around events such as coil that it has caused great imbalance.

I assume the developers are just beta testing the game's mechanics at this point. May take years before the game is moderately balanced.

Want Risk? Face roll DF.

We most certainly live in a new age of MMO where things are easier or more simplified, or rather easier. It's one of those things where I'm ok with it, but I also miss some of it. Yes as a level 75 Corsair I had to hide and sneak from every waking danger, but as a level 50 Black Mage I'm a walking path of destruction that hides from no skelly man. I do miss the feeling of dread when it was night, but I'm also happy I don't have to worry about dying constantly. I also miss taking the long boat rides just to immerse myself in the game, but I also like being able to get where I want without having to wait.

To me it's oranges and apples, two totally different fruits, but I like the taste of both.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Dying is not fun.

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Nonsense. Dying is the most fun you can have in a game. What isn't fun is being punished with minutes to hours of tedium or even losing the ability to play entirely as a result of dying.

Taking a page from the dragon quest series, a low death penalty (half your gold as opposed to having to restart the game from your last save point entirely) is merely an excuse to kill you. That's why titan is so terrible, everything pre-heart isn't even remotely hard, it's just tedious. Dying in post-heart? It's almost expected, shit's tough. Dying in pre-heart? What the hell is wrong with you, you have to be half asleep to get hit by that stuff. It's just keeping those of us who can do it from getting to the actually engaging part.

But in terms of the open world, some areas should be tough to get to, sure. But in general it should not be a wildly dangerous place. At least, not in a theme park MMO.

What super doesn't help is the design team thinking people are going to steadily progress from i50 to i60, to i70 up to i110, when in reality people jump from i50 to i90 almost immediately. So when they design all this i70 content, they're designing content for an audience that simply does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Immut

What super doesn't help is the design team thinking people are going to steadily progress from i50 to i60, to i70 up to i110, when in reality people jump from i50 to i90 almost immediately. So when they design all this i70 content, they're designing content for an audience that simply does not exist.

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this game throws you your gear is why....heres an easy way to gain gear:

as soon as you hit 50 grats, you got your lvl 50 AF gear, hop in CT and get ilvl 80, hop in ST to get ilvl 100.
you dont have to do anything inbetween now sepct wait weekly for ST resets for the gear and spend a few
myths on things if you want.

It's true that FFXI's overworld is a lot more dangerous than FFXIV's, and yet I vastly prefer FFXIV's.

The reason? Killing stuff that agros me is a hell of a lot more fun than having to sneak past mobs because they can kill me just by looking at me. That stuff gets real old real fast.

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Originally Posted by Jasmine_Aurelia

I disagree, the current mechanics are much an improvement over XI, in every way.

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That's nice. Sad though that even in XI there's monsters with noticeable changes and nuances during battles that make them seem like they're actually alive rather than a script. For example many of the enemies ripped out of XI don't even behave like they used to - The Black Dragons for example, if you attack them from the back, they'll attack you with their tail (visually) and back legs, while someone in the front will get hit with their front legs/mouth, in XIV? Nope.

Then again, I think this post was sarcasm, since the only true improvement this game has over XI is accessibility in certain areas (since graphics only matter to a point.)

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

It's true that FFXI's overworld is a lot more dangerous than FFXIV's, and yet I vastly prefer FFXIV's.

The reason? Killing stuff that agros me is a hell of a lot more fun than having to sneak past mobs because they can kill me just by looking at me. That stuff gets real old real fast.

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So does everything casting heavy to simulate "danger", and the overworld largely being meaningless.

I don't mind them trying to make the world accessible. I certainly can't complain about no longer having to spend ten minutes just planning how I was going to travel from town to town.

But if I want to throw myself face-first into danger that's a honest-to-god personal challenge, I'd like that option to be available.

When I was playing WoW, that took the form of grabbing a friend and duoing old raid content that nobody thought could be done with only two people.

There's no equivalent of that here.

I love the FF MMOs, and I really want to like this game. I'd just like to see some content I can't sleep through, that doesn't take 24 players to do.

If you want to play XI, go play XI? It's still alive, and SE continues to support and update it.
XI and XIV are totally different; XI is extremely inaccessible and XIV is very accessible. If you want to have your cake and eat it too, play both games? There's good features of each, and trying to turn XIV into an XI clone will just dismantle it like 1.0

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Dying is not fun.

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Maybe, but successfully not dying in deadly situations is one of the most thrilling things you can experience in a game.
Personally speaking of course.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Maybe, but successfully not dying in deadly situations is one of the most thrilling things you can experience in a game.
Personally speaking of course.

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I actually try that in real life. I purposely try to put myself in situations while hiking that might seriously jeopardize me. As for video games, I prefer the trend they are taking now. I am kind of glad that old school way is dying out.

First trip to Jeuno. One on my most great memories in gaming

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Maybe, but successfully not dying in deadly situations is one of the most thrilling things you can experience in a game.
Personally speaking of course.

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This. The first time you stomped on Titan HM in your Darklight gear with some pugs or Titan EX with your FC/LS was amazing.

In 1.x of ffxiv there were a few level70/90 or whatever mobs that would brutally stomp you. It was fun for certain areas but I wouldn't desire that kind of feeling everywhere I go.

Play dark souls.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Play dark souls.

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You should be doing this regardless of how you feel about ARR.

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Originally Posted by Eissels

Video games don't run on no money.

Super hardcore game = less players = less money = no more game.

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this x10!
while group A likes these types and group B likes that; the only group that really matters is the one that pays.

This is why I've been on Wildstar more lately, even the non-hard versions of dungeons are...well, hard.

Its because todays gamers in their 20's and younger are so used to crying and getting everything they want that its better for business to make the game extremely dumbed down and easy for any 4 year old to play. Companies lack the guts to stand tall and make a more challenging game like XI. I think now that SE sold their soul to the crybabies that there will never be another game where you may actually die...or take longer than a month to get to end game.

Too many babies with short attention spans.

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Originally Posted by Triston

If you want to play XI, go play XI? It's still alive, and SE continues to support and update it.
XI and XIV are totally different; XI is extremely inaccessible and XIV is very accessible. If you want to have your cake and eat it too, play both games? There's good features of each, and trying to turn XIV into an XI clone will just dismantle it like 1.0

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XI is not the XI the OP is remembering. He's probably thinking of pre-WotG XI where it was actually challenging and took effort. A party took skill and team work. Not button mashing and yawning. Unfortunately the people who love a care bear game like XIV cried enough to get literally the entire game of XI nerfed. I mean literally the ENTIRE game. XI is a joke compared to what it was when it was great. Funny thing is, I think the last i saw XIV brags about having 2 million accounts. I think at XI's height (when it was actually challenging and time consuming) had over 6 million.

So to the people who say a harder game cant make money, I say thats doubtful because games like XIV keep a small amount of regulars and then have a rotating mass of people who get bored of Care Bear Land and take months/years off. Probably to go play other MMO's to find one that isnt an exact replica of WoW like XIV is.

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Originally Posted by Sonofbaldo

Funny thing is, I think the last i saw XIV brags about having 2 million accounts. I think at XI's height (when it was actually challenging and time consuming) had over 6 million.

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FFXi topped out at just over 500,000 subscribers and 1.7 million characters. According to Wada in 2008.

Challenge? Adventure?

Didn't you know I have a life/kids/friends/anything that I can use as a excuse to ask the developers to hand me rewards? Aint nobody got time for danger!