The HUNT problem : the Users

Am I missing something here? A see all over the forum people asking for solutions for this system the hunt. Is it really the system or the users?
First we have a bunch of people complaining that sands oils shouldn't be included in the hunt rewards becuase is not fair on the people that work 'hard' training for coil..... And again this is coming from people who have a static. Who's got it hard are the pugs who's got the real challenge.

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Then we have another bunch of people complaining that people are pulling without waiting for others or no shouting for others to get the mark..... I mean really? Where does it say : you must share the mark and wait for everyone to join? NO WHERE. So what are we arguing about? If u want to share the mark, good for you but if you don't , you just don't. In other words : you find it you kill it. Isn't that what u supposed to do? If not elaborate.
And then we have another bunch of people complaining that is not fair on smaller FC... Are people thick enough to think that a FC of 500 users are gonna be doing hunts everyday? And everyone? Usually you only see a good bunch of 30 people online out of the full amount
I have come to the conclusion the real issue here is not the system but a bunch of users passing blame on the system due to their unfortunate experiences.

The behavior exists because it's promoted by the system.

1) More cost effective rewards than doing dungeons (Soldiery and Myth rewards are huge) + Acquisition of Allied Seals
2) Can be zerged by 100s reducing the difficulty of the encounters (If there ever was any)
3) Rewards acquired through seals are things everyone wants, but were previously gated behind both difficult content + lockouts (Coil) or just recently a lockout (CT2)

The above three points alone make it so that it's easily the most cost effective way to spend time in game sans actually clearing Coil for the week. This isn't just a playerbase issue - the system promotes cheating/cheesing the system because people want the rewards that bad.

Also in regards to the premature pulling - that is 100% working as intended. Hunt was NOT meant to be a loot pinata or some server wide event, the encounters simply don't have the HP pools to lend credence to that interpretation. On THAT point I will say that is certainly the community trying to turn content into something it isn't meant to be - but again when the rewards are so good it is to be expected that people WANT it to be that kind of content. Because you hypothetically COULD reach every mark first people expect that they WILL reach every mark in time for credit - which is ridiculous. If you didn't find it then don't be mad when you don't get to it, in all honesty they should be glad that they were even able to find out about it.

It's about entitlement. People expect to have a right to every mark that anyone comes across. I reiterate my post from the other thread...

Imagine turning on the news and hearing this headline: "Man finds massive gold vein and mines it all himself! Community is outraged that he did not announce his find so that everyone could turn up and swing their pick for their 'fair share'! More to follow as another man finds a thousand dollar meteorite and sells it on eBay..."

The system doesn't "promote" these behaviors. Is the users PROMOTING their behavior of how unsatisfied they are with it because is not what they wanted or more like "work as they wanted"

And again the items obtain by hunts are not easy you still need to farm and grind hours for it.

We cant cover the sun with one finger

Hey OP, next time you go to the zoo, try putting your hand in the lion's enclosure and blaming it when it bites your hand off.

In reality, the "hunts" don't even live up to the name. Hunting is a long-term endeavor that you have to put specific effort to first find the target then manage to kill it, which you might not even manage. We don't even really have that first part. It's more like 'elite stumbles' than 'elite hunts'.

That's why I stay away from Zoos ;)

Sorry, but in game desing you make system to be "jerk proof". If the system can be abused, it will be, and after that, all that comes along with it. This is all 101% SE fault for devoloping such an irresponsable content.

I would like to ask to any moderator and developer reading this forums. Does it looks like hunts are fun? Do you guys think people grinding and fighting over the /sh in each map is having fun with this content? What you plan to do fix this? Remove the /sh from the maps now? Stop hiding, stop covering your mistakes, Hunts are bad, is a bad system and needs to be addressed like that. It needs to be reworked in a way things like camping and massive zerg camping completely dissapears.

We wanted open world hard and FUN content. The marks themselves are not even hard. The system itself is which is ruining the experience for the grand mayority of players.

Just go to coerthas and stand there for 15 minutes. What happend to "if is not fun you are doing it wrong"?

Well I personally I have no issues with the hunt at all or whatsoever. I have got marks as I have missed something. But I'm not blaming SE for people's unfortunates.

Is like me blaming my phone company for my overspending...........

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Originally Posted by Mature

Am I missing something here? A see all over the forum people asking for solutions for this system the hunt. Is it really the system or the users?

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Nah, I'm pretty sure it's the system.

It's both, but it's manly the system. Wether it's being played the way the devs inteded it to be played or not, this is the reality, and they didn't take it into consideration. I honestly could not care less about sands of time, I wanted to hunt marks because it reminded me of XII's mark system, which was super fun. Sadly, all I experienced is pointless drama in shouts and invisible players and marks because the PS3 can't handle so many people in the same spot (and that is entierly on them).

They need to put a cap on seals and the people involved in the hunts. We are lacking endgame leves and guildhests and this could've been the perfect opportunity to introduce them, but instead it's just another Odin/Behemoth mess.

The FFXIVapp cheat is causing ALOT of flame on my server. The community is starting to fall apart cause of it, it was never this bad, now people are at each others throats threatening to report or going as far as to wish cancer or death upon each other/flaming each others family etc

Why is nothing being done about this? :S Why wont they just disable it til they find a better solution?

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Originally Posted by Narissa

The FFXIVapp cheat is causing ALOT of flame on my server. The community is starting to fall apart cause of it, it was never this bad, now people are at each others throats threatening to report or going as far as to wish cancer or death upon each other/flaming each others family etc

Why is nothing being done about this? :S Why wont they just disable it til they find a better solution?

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This I can agree with this APP business. This needs sorting. The should patch the game to block this app but I wouldn't take down the whole hunt for it. Just patch it

While it's true that we the users are not faultless that does not change the fact that this system was poorly designed and implemented. My favorite response to problems with the hunt is, "Wait a few weeks when the excitement has died down." If a system is designed in such a way that it cannot be enjoyed until most of the player base has lost interest, then it's a bad system.

There really isn't a problem with Hunts at all, the idea behind it is very cool and fun. But, I think the main issue with it has to do with players (not the initial system) going extremely hardcore over Hunts to the point where the monsters are killed faster than can be found by the casual player anymore (be it large hunt groups or radar). To a degree, yes, the system itself probably does have flaws and could probably be fixed by creating caps on how many seals you can get or how many monsters you can kill for credit, etc...but the player base seems to be the main problem in creating witch hunts/zerg fests out of this unique way of getting cool rewards and I'm sure that wasn't expected from the producers. I personally thought this system was going to work like leves where you'd have to pick up the bill to spawn the monster somewhere in the wild and that you'd need a small party to help kill it (like Peiste maps).

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Originally Posted by Malzian

It's about entitlement. People expect to have a right to every mark that anyone comes across.

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No, it's about cost-efficiency and dominant strategies. Currently, the hunts provide players will copious amounts of myth, soldiery and if you're in a hunting group/LS: plenty of allied seals and even blood-splattered books for the oils and sands. If you dedicate your time to hunting, with people in a LS or group spotting and announcing marks it's possible to cap these currencies at a much faster rate than if you used the alternatives (dungeons, raids). Adding fuel to the flame is the fact that some of the rewards that are considered "endgame rewards" were once limited to one or two per week per group now can be acquired within the span of a day or two with no apparent limit.

Bum-rushing hunts and doing nothing else is right now the easiest and fastest way* to acquire endgame or close to endgame rewards that used to be a challenge get your hands on. I don't mind there being alternative ways to get these rewards (skill-gated vs. time-gated), but right now the skill-gated content is simply trivialized by what was probably intended as something time-gated.

* And to make it worse: if all players for some reason suddenly became super-civilized and just used flash so that seals and rewards were granted fully to all participants it would effectively grant a large part of the population endgame rewards, further reducing the reasons to go into coil other than some BiS combination or glamour.

It's both. Last night at about 3:00 AM I was fishing and an "Elite" (1M% not elite) spawned right behind me. I switched to Paladin and waited for my cool downs to reset. By the time I was able to engage the monster nobody, literally nobody was within view. I waited. About 10 seconds later 50 players came running to my position. The shout was "Pull @ :21" and it was :05. By :21 there were no less than 100 players around the "Elite" and we actually didn't pull. It wasn't until :28 that a Warrior kicked off the fight. The "Elite" (not elite at all) died in about 5 seconds and the shout war began.

First, Square Enix has designed a TERRIBLE system. These hunts are pathetic. Second, the players are using third party software which locks out every other player who doesn't use the third party software. Combine that with the attitudes of entitled 12 year olds and elitist douchebaggery, and you have a pile of TRASH...

In WoW we call this the "Mechanar Syndrome"; That is a activity that a person might not find enjoyable has rewards wholly out of proportion to it's effort, thus encouraging participation regardless of user feelings.

The RoI on effort regarding Sands/Oil within the hunt system is the issue. The system and it's implementation is at fault. Sands/Oil never should have been put on anything not holding a weekly lockout.