Vote Dismiss During Battle (Frontlines)

Just a thread to discuss the ability to vote dismiss during battle in frontlines.
Battle is almost constantly going on yet if there's someone AFK at the entrance we cannot vote dismiss them because we're stuck in combat.

Honestly I believe we should be able to vote dismiss during combat, even if this is exclusive to frontlines just so we can stop people mooching exp/seals without helping and in turn get someone in our group who will actually help.

I've had this happen a few times where someone would D/C for the whole match and we could not vote kick them. Being able to do so while in combat would be nice.

I can see this being very easily abused...

SE is already way ahead of you. Here's a quote from one of the community reps.

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The development team is aware of the issue where players are unable to vote kick other party members while in Frontline because they are considered to be in battle, and they are currently looking into addressing this. Once the specific method for addressing and the implementation period is decided, we’ll let you know.

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Greetings,

In patch 2.35, we’re planning to make adjustments so you can vote dismiss players even while in battle when you are participating in Frontline.

With this change, however, there are concerns that the vote dismiss window popping up mid-battle may be a disturbance, so we’ll be looking into making it so the window is hidden by default and only the notification button appears.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

In patch 2.35, we’re planning to make adjustments so you can vote dismiss players even while in battle when you are participating in Frontline.

With this change, however, there are concerns that the vote dismiss window popping up mid-battle may be a disturbance, so we’ll be looking into making it so the window is hidden by default and only the notification button appears.

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Camate, while appreciated, what about the duty finder making Frontlines almost unplayable? Can we get an update on this please?

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Originally Posted by RavenGrey

Camate, while appreciated, what about the duty finder making Frontlines almost unplayable? Or the second fix to Duty Finder that was planned for last week but never happened? Can we get an update on this please?

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frontline's is unplayable? i havent done it this week. but last week it was working fine for me ><, what happens? it just wont queue or ?

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Originally Posted by Taaku

frontline's is unplayable? i havent done it this week. but last week it was working fine for me ><, what happens? it just wont queue or ?

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Queue times are increasing pretty rapidly, i was in a queue for 3 hours today for my 1st match, 2 hours for the 2nd match

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

Queue times are increasing pretty rapidly, i was in a queue for 3 hours today for my 1st match, 2 hours for the 2nd match

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Ah, that does suck.

I have had absolutely no troubles with the DF and front lines and I play it every day for a few hours. Sometimes instant pops, sometimes 5 minute waits but nothing crazy, never more then 5 mins. And I was wishing for this vote kick for a while. There are some people I see often just hanging out at the spawn refusing to play and all I could do it report them after the match. Honestly to me that seems alittle harsh, I don't want them banned, I just want them kicked

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

Queue times are increasing pretty rapidly, i was in a queue for 3 hours today for my 1st match, 2 hours for the 2nd match

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blame it on The Hunt.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

blame it on The Hunt.

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I think it's due to something other than hunts, although hunts are one of the main reasons i agree

If I make a party of 2-3 people and queue up, they complain that queues with me in the party are extremely long, but if we all queue up separately their queue times fall drastically while mine still stay the same,

Of course it could just be me, but maybe frontlines matchmaking is taking ranks into account and trying to do same same thing it does with wolves den?

I don't understand why this is required... I was in frontlines yesterday and I had a RL disaster I had to deal with.. (Had a spillage over electrical equipment etc, bit of a nightmare) this isn't something i would usually do but it ended up with me being AFK for maybe a few minuets.. when I came back i was out of Frontlines and the message said something like you were ejected for being away or something like that. Fair enough I understand and agree I should have been ejected.. but doesn't that mean it is already working?

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Originally Posted by Mattlex

I don't understand why this is required... I was in frontlines yesterday and I had a RL disaster I had to deal with.. (Had a spillage over electrical equipment etc, bit of a nightmare) this isn't something i would usually do but it ended up with me being AFK for maybe a few minuets.. when I came back i was out of Frontlines and the message said something like you were ejected for being away or something like that. Fair enough I understand and agree I should have been ejected.. but doesn't that mean it is already working?

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You can easily get around the afk timer, plus vote kicking would allow people to remove toxic players and people where its obvious that they aren't trying to play the match

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

Of course it could just be me, but maybe frontlines matchmaking is taking ranks into account and trying to do same same thing it does with wolves den?

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I actually never thought of that. o.O That could be it, actually.

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Originally Posted by CeveArthu

You can easily get around the afk timer, plus vote kicking would allow people to remove toxic players and people where its obvious that they aren't trying to play the match

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Though I agree that it may be required to deal with the odd player, I think the outcome of one Front Lines match is less significant to say that of completeing a dungeon or other PvE content which requires this ability to boot toxic players.

My concern with the addition of vote kick feature is when people start abusing it, because you know it will get abused and there will be a whole load of drama because of it!

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

I can see this being very easily abused...

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people already abuse it whether pve or pvp. yesterday i got vote kicked because i was healing the party with eos and since i wasn't physically moving, they assumed i was afk (mind you no one even died), even tho i told them i wasnt, and vote kicked me

DF for FL seems a bit off. Sometimes I queue and go afk. When I come back I'm 40+ min in. When I withdraw and re-queue, I get a 5m queue or an instant pop up. It also happens with 5-10m queueus. When you exceed the queue time given and re-queue, it will put you in a game all of a sudden.

Maybe we'll get some info about DF. Would be nice to have some honest answers. It's these little things which add up and drive people away.

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Originally Posted by RavenGrey

Camate, while appreciated, what about the duty finder making Frontlines almost unplayable? Or the second fix to Duty Finder that was planned for last week but never happened? Can we get an update on this please?

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What are you talking about? They fixed the DF for Frontlines like 2 days after it launched.

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Originally Posted by Rex

What are you talking about? They fixed the DF for Frontlines like 2 days after it launched.

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yea the dual patch was already sent out. the first one was to get rid of the troll queues when the cancelling of queues by players was going on for over an hour at a time. and the second patch was for the downscaling of queues when there were less than 72 players.

On Midgardsormr, I've run something like 60 matches, and I've never waited longer than 6-7 minutes for a solo queue and most of the time it's under 5. These queues include peak and non-peak times.

Granted, I've noticed a large disparity when queuing with others, which bumps up my queue time to maybe 15 minutes at the worst.

Would love to know what GC you guys are with compared to the rest of your population.

I'm limsa(popular in my data center) and I NEVER absolutely NEVER have a queue for frontlines thats LESS then 15 mins. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Starrywisdom

Would love to know what GC you guys are with compared to the rest of your population.

I'm limsa(popular in my data center) and I NEVER absolutely NEVER have a queue for frontlines thats LESS then 15 mins. Ever.

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Same here. Mine are nearly always one hour or more. It's to the point where where I've been doing more WD than FL lately. Mind you, I used to get instant pops or less than 10 minutes the first two weeks. What I think has happened is fails from Adder and Flames have jumped ship to Maelstrom once they realized we win most the time, looking to get carried. Thus making the Maelstrom queues longer because there are more people. I've noticed a few people that prior to FL coming out and the release of FL, I know for a fact they were on Flames because I remember their names and now they're on Maelstrom.

Right now, we have two people that always go afk during the whole battle. All they do is run forwards a bit so that they don't get vote kicked. I report them, but there seems to be no actions taken against them.
Is there a way to resolve these issues faster? Since they're even taking up spots for healers, it's even more infuriating.

Ugh, i thought the weekend would help the ques pick up a bit but still waiting 30+ mins :/ Then when a que finally pops, people afk. Sucks man.

Primal // Adders

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

In patch 2.35, we’re planning to make adjustments so you can vote dismiss players even while in battle when you are participating in Frontline.

With this change, however, there are concerns that the vote dismiss window popping up mid-battle may be a disturbance, so we’ll be looking into making it so the window is hidden by default and only the notification button appears.

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This needs to be done in a hotfix ASAP, not in 2.35. Aether data centre has a string of people who go AFK every Frontlines. They are taking up space from other people and are making it very difficult for the Maelstrom to win in any match where they're present. A run I just did had five people AFK the whole run and we had 7 spaces that needed filling when the match began. That meant we only had twelve people at the start of the match. The worst part is two of them are on my server and I have GM'd both of them multiple times and received the typical generic "go away" response that frankly is as insulting as it is unacceptable.

What should we do meanwhile? Don't do Frontlines? Patiently wait and deal with it? Both options seem as pointless or terrible to me as the other. Please make this hotfix a priority!

Seems like this might work in a situation where one or more party members are afk- if the party members who are actually doing something can hold at the respawn point when getting killed off without any of them charging back off into battle solo (I know it's a lot to ask of some players lol) then vote dismiss would be an option again right? Is the vote dismiss option only disabled as long as one or more *party* members are still in battle, or is it if any of the *alliance* members are in battle?

Of course, if a party has enough afk'ers a vote dismiss wouldn't pass (because an afk'er isn't going to be voting another afk'er out for obvious reasons) that's a whole different problem, but hopefully that's not common.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

Seems like this might work in a situation where one or more party members are afk- if the party members who are actually doing something can hold at the respawn point when getting killed off without any of them charging back off into battle solo (I know it's a lot to ask of some players lol) then vote dismiss would be an option again right? Is the vote dismiss option only disabled as long as one or more *party* members are still in battle, or is it if any of the *alliance* members are in battle?

Of course, if a party has enough afk'ers a vote dismiss wouldn't pass (because an afk'er isn't going to be voting another afk'er out for obvious reasons) that's a whole different problem, but hopefully that's not common.

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Doesn't it count as in battle when frontlines starts, so you cannot vote dismiss when it starts. Also, vote dismissing only works after the first 5 mins. So even if you know someone is an AFKer you cannot kick them out.