dissapointed at ramuh EX difficulty

the fight is not really hard its even easier than levi EX tbh

got him down to 30% in 1 hour of practicing -_-

lets see how savage coil will be

30% in 1hr.

No 1 shot? :(

Wow complaining already.

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

30% in 1hr.

No 1 shot? :(

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another hour and its down

So you're complaining that a fight you can't even beat is too easy.

Jeez...

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

So you're complaining that a fight you can't even beat is too easy.

Jeez...

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from practicing for 1 hour we managed to drop it to 30%

if ppl could have more time to spare it will be down

takes around 7 hours of quests to unlock ramuh EX so its expected it wont be practiced for long yesterday but today yes

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

from practicing for 1 hour we managed to drop it to 30%

if ppl could have more time to spare it will be down

takes around 7 hours of quests to unlock ramuh EX so its expected it wont be practiced for long yesterday but today yes

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What were you expecting though? It's i85 isn't it? You mentioned you're doing Savage Coil, which means you've beaten T9 so I'm guessing you're probably floating around i110 mark or just under. Of course you'd find it easy.

I'm curious OP, do you want content you can't beat or just content the majority of the playerbase can't beat?

If the former, you're a masochist, if the latter you're an exclusionist.

Meh, I haven't even beat Garuda Ex yet.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I'm curious OP, do you want content you can't beat or just content the majority of the playerbase can't beat?

If the former, you're a masochist, if the latter you're an exclusionist.

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You know, none of her posts stated anything you mentioned. Using this thought process though, when you select Hard, Very Hard, Extreme or some variants of those in games, I bet you expect the game to get EASIER, right? Right? Just like when you choose Easy, Very Easy, Novice, Beginner you expect the game to get extremely difficult, right?

By now people should have expected this game to be on the extremely easy side as yoshi said he's making it so people new to MMOs will fit in and you can play for a month or two and quit for a month while waiting for the next update.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Meh, I haven't even beat Garuda Ex yet.

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I managed to sabotage a garuda ex fight because I was a first timer the day before patch.

Broke my heart.

Meanwhile the rest of us are STILL stuck at Titan EX ...

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Originally Posted by Seif

Meanwhile the rest of us are STILL stuck at Titan EX ...

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can be ignored now since its not pre-requisite anymore

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Originally Posted by Seif

Meanwhile the rest of us are STILL stuck at Titan EX ...

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which doens't matter anymore because you can go straight moogle and lexi ex and after them to ramuh

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

the fight is not really hard its even easier than levi EX tbh

got him down to 30% in 1 hour of practicing -_-

lets see how savage coil will be

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why you think a fight that drops i100 weapons would be difficult? if you want to make it difficult, get all your party member to fear i50 gear and fight it

I must be oldskool because I can't think of a challenge skipping because of diffyculty. Getting a skilled party together for it is like trying to find hey in a needle stack.

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Originally Posted by Sarlazzar

why you think a fight that drops i100 weapons would be difficult? if you want to make it difficult, get all your party member to fear i50 gear and fight it

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Did you know? Leviathan only drops i95 weapons but an item to upgrade them to 100 at a low chance? So what you just stated kind...proves her point that it should have been more difficult than it was. Also purposefully going in undergeared is called artificial difficulty, something you should never have to do.

Considering when this was released and how long people been playing and how long it takes to get even to basic i90, switching to i50 (if you even can) is just silly. In the end though, difficulty is subjective since there's people who find Mario games a challenge and people who find Dark Souls easy (they are easy games, getting instant gibbed isn't difficulty.)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Using this thought process though, when you select Hard, Very Hard, Extreme or some variants of those in games, I bet you expect the game to get EASIER, right? Right? Just like when you choose Easy, Very Easy, Novice, Beginner you expect the game to get extremely difficult, right?

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I think you're struggling with the concept at hand here. The OP after trying 1 hour only reduced the boss down to 30%, that by no means is a victory or easy-mode. Therefore, what exactly is the point of creating a thread criticizing the fight's difficulty when the hardest part could be in the sub 30% area. Personally speaking, it took my guild in Everquest a little under a month to get an expansion boss down from around 10% to dead through a combination of tactics and gear farming. So, yeah, it seems a fairly easy concept to grasp that until you beat something you can't really comment fully on its difficulty?

Complaining when you didn't even beat the boss yet. You said you beat it if you have more time. But of coursed, if everyone have the time and the group, anything is possible. What I don't understand is that you are already complaining the fight is too easy when you only get it down to 30%. This is not even close to it being defeated. Take example Titan Ex, the Difficult only begin when his HP reach below 30%.

For a Primal that drop ilevel less then coil, you shouldn't expect much anyway.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I think you're struggling with the concept at hand here. The OP after trying 1 hour only reduced the boss down to 30%, that by no means is a victory or easy-mode. Therefore, what exactly is the point of creating a thread criticizing the fight's difficulty when the hardest part could be in the sub 30% area. Personally speaking, it took my guild in Everquest a little under a month to get an expansion boss down from around 10% to dead through a combination of tactics and gear farming. So, yeah, it seems a fairly easy concept to grasp that until you beat something you can't really comment fully on its difficulty?

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the fight is 90% same as HM ver just with added mechanics and hit harder and those mechanics happen in entire fight til kill

so no additional things by 30%

unlike other EX primals which are 50% - 60% like their HMs

It's possible you and your team are simply too good for this game and should seek challenge-satisfaction elsewhere. Not sure what kind of work you do, but maybe consider taking up a trade? Plenty of challenges there.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard

I'm curious OP, do you want content you can't beat or just content the majority of the playerbase can't beat?

If the former, you're a masochist, if the latter you're an exclusionist.

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Maybe content that doesn't take 2 hours to beat? I wonder what the word extreme stands for.

I mean I understand that these EX modes are easier than the previous ones, but like how many wipes do you actually want to put into content? I hope the 'brutal' difficulty level will be a good compromise. I'd honestly rather see an extra difficulty created than the content be nerfed into the ground after a few months.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Maybe content that doesn't take 2 hours to beat? I wonder what the word extreme stands for.

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Apparently that would be considered masochism.

Equip your gear so you have an 85 ilvl.

Go back in.

Tell me how easy it is. Better yet go in all the new dungeons at the lowest ilvl you can and tell me how easy they are.
I will laugh when you come back here and say " IT TOO HARD, NERF". People don't pay attention to the ilvl of something
and the gear they enter that instance with. Of course you are going to blow through it with i98 ilvl or higher.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

the fight is not really hard its even easier than levi EX tbh

got him down to 30% in 1 hour of practicing -_-

lets see how savage coil will be

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Seeing how some people can't even clear titan ex, ifrit ex or leviathan, I'm glad SE finally made a fight that people don't need to wait for echo to be able to clear.
go back to savage coil instead then :P

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Equip your gear so you have an 85 ilvl.

Go back in.

Tell me how easy it is. Better yet go in all the new dungeons at the lowest ilvl you can and tell me how easy they are.
I will laugh when you come back here and say " IT TOO HARD, NERF". People don't pay attention to the ilvl of something
and the gear they enter that instance with. Of course you are going to blow through it with i98 ilvl or higher.

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im healing it with i92 and its still easy

new dungeons are not hard either

most of the fights in new HM dungeons requires being smart rather than being skilled

The "do the content at the required ilv" argument is flawed primarily because it is extremely easy to acquire ilv100 gear. Having SCoB as the only place where iLv 100 gear is a necessity is not a smart move because it just makes everything else too easy by comparison. Every patch offers us faster ways to gear up, yet we keep getting fights that have a lower ilv requirement than the best gear you could have in 2.0! There is no point in adding better gear and increasing the speed of getting it (now with weekly tomes and ST) if devs keep releasing fights that do not require that gear to be used.

Makes me laugh how people complaining about the easiness of dungeons are people that are doing such things as second coil savage and are already at ramuh ext and it's been about 24 hours since the patch.

I mean god forbid we had players still stuck in garuda ext and first coil. Screw them though right. :(

Overgeared from running Coil 2, complain about difficulty. Make a fight like Titan Ex which leaves little room for error, complain about difficulty.

Can't wait for i105 ramuh ex farm party finders. *eyeroll*

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

Seeing how some people can't even clear titan ex, ifrit ex or leviathan, I'm glad SE finally made a fight that people don't need to wait for echo to be able to clear.
go back to savage coil instead then :P

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You don't NEED to wait for Echo to beat anything. Even with 100% Echo, if you do not learn a fight and pay attention to mechanics, you will die.

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Originally Posted by Odett

The flaw in the "do the content at the required ilv" argument is flawed primarily because it is extremely easy to acquire ilv100 gear.

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Exactly. Soldiery has been around since forever now. So the latest primal on extreme mode is i85 when most are geared to the teeth with soldiery and even their alts are sitting close to 90 with myth being abundant.

The "The game is too easy when my ilvl is near max" argument has no sway here. It's supposed to be easier when you're that geared.

Overgeared from running Coil 2, complain about difficulty. Make a fight like Titan Ex which leaves little room for error, complain about difficulty.

Can't wait for i105 ramuh ex farm party finders. *eyeroll*

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

The "The game is too easy when my ilvl is near max" argument has no sway here. It's supposed to be easier when you're that geared.

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Well maybe it shouldn't have been so low ilv. Is the latest primal ffs. Everyone and their mom is sitting at 90-100. For which players is this primal made for?

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

The "The game is too easy when my ilvl is near max" argument has no sway here. It's supposed to be easier when you're that geared.

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It IS supposed to be easier with that gear, yes, but like I said in my previous post, even the highest non SCoB content requires an avg iLv that is lower than the best gear you could get when this game first came out nearly a year ago. SE keeps adding alternatives to get i100 gear but there is only

One content where this gear is used for. (Replying from my phone, sorry, don't know how to edit last post from that). Yes, there ARE people that are still stuck in Garuda EX, but that content is not going anywhere. Continuing to create content with lower ilv than the best gear you could have in 2.0 really makes you wonder why distribute ilv 100 gear so easily

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Because dear sir, the purpose of the game is to make content as balanced as possible for EVERYONE. In no way is ramuh ext easier than garuda, and leviathan extreme isn't easier by standards than titan. The reason people find titan to be much harder is because of the margin for error, but honestly mechanic wise it's a repetitive and scripted fight, where as to leviathan has the randomness to it and is a HUGE dps check.

My point is that it's true, garuda isn't going anywhere, but because you specifically are geared enough and skilled enough to beat ramuh ext 24 hours after it's release doesn't make it an 'easy' fight or even easier than the others. It's a matter of personal perception. Complaining about it is utterly silly.

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Originally Posted by Edli

Maybe content that doesn't take 2 hours to beat? I wonder what the word extreme stands for.

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The same thing Hard stand for, nothing.

I mean, Levi and Ramuh hard look "hard" to ya?

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

The same thing Hard stand for, nothing.

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They should. Words have meaning, they're not there just for fun.

Titan hard was hard. Titan extreme was extreme. Words don't stand for nothing. If they don't serve their purpose might as well remove them.