New crafted i90 DoW/DoM accessories are awful

• They only have 2 base stats. One main stat (STR,DEX,VIT,etc) and one secondary stat (PIE, DET, SS). The STR ones are especially terrible. They're all STR+SS ... possibly the worst secondary stat.
• costs 1500 myth
• getting rank IV materia you need to even think about making this worthwhile hasn't been made much if any easier to acquire
• still no rank V materia to help reach stat caps

So, bare minimum you, need to meld *at least* 2 materia before it even has the same number of stats as the rings you buy for 375 myth.

Jesus, SE, if you were going to nerf these things so hard, you could have at least given it 2 or 3 guaranteed materia slots to make the pain of overmelding these things more bearable.

Anyone else getting the impression that SE just doesn't want you using these things!?

SE always want crafted to be second best. We will never make the best gear in the game.

Pentameld ftw I suppose

It's not even that they aren't the best. Its that they're not even useful. They are only the smallest bit better than the easily farm-able i90 accs with at least two forbidden melds. So it's not like the i70 stuff where you could use it to get a bit ahead of the darklight grind. Especially when everyone's been getting soldiery forever now and 10/20 ilevels of primary stat is far more important than basically any secondary combination.
The one area where i70 accs maintened relevance was the strength/vitality melds on Warriors.
But the lack of any accuracy on the strength or vit i90 craftables means they have to meld high-level forbiddens all the way down.

I hate using "slap in the face" but they went "You want i90 accs? Here have some with less relevance and higher hurdles to synthesis than any of the other classes".

these new jewellery pieces seem pretty useless and are going to be expensive to buy and craft.. never mind pentamelds. not worth the time when you can get either myth and or sol gear easily or run coil for allagan & high allagan pieces.

not to mention accessories from primals.

For a 2.39 GCD DPS build WAR, the i90 accessories are pretty useful.

The new accessories aren't that bad to make if you're a crafter. The materials are about 750k right now with the prices on my server (300k for emery, 150k for Raziqsand, 100k for Demimateria II, 10k for Demimateria I). Right now, they'll be in the millions, but when prices calm down, they'll be about 700k each, which isn't really that bad. Of course, that's not including the cost of the meld...

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Originally Posted by Royal

SE always want crafted to be second best. We will never make the best gear in the game.

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This fact makes crafting pretty much pointless.
Except for burning gil for vanity items.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

Pentameld ftw I suppose

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Why even bother and throw millions at an item which can't be better than ilvl110 stuff?

The effort, time and materials required for these items is a joke if you consider their usefulness.
People will sell them and people will buy them, but not me.
I'll rather run easy new ST and get ilvl110 for free.

ST doesn't drop accessories, and isn't ilvl 110....

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Anyone else getting the impression that SE just doesn't want you using these things!?

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I just get the impression you have no idea of the potential in these.

Only good thing I learned from your post is that there's a [list /] command you can use here. Cool!

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Originally Posted by Kyana

Why even bother and throw millions at an item which can't be better than ilvl110 stuff?

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Some people just have lots of money to spend. I think when the prices calm down you will see the potential of these items.

If you don't think 13 str 15 vit accessories are better than 21 vit accessories you got some things to learn about how tanks work. smh @ this whole thread.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

If you don't think 13 str 15 vit accessories are better than 21 vit accessories you got some things to learn about how tanks work. smh @ this whole thread.

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While I strongly agree that they're very powerful for tanks (I crafted and melded a full set on patch day), it doesn't justify their poor itemization--at least not for other roles.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

If you don't think 13 str 15 vit accessories are better than 21 vit accessories you got some things to learn about how tanks work. smh @ this whole thread.

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To be fair, it's not all you give up. i90 v i110 means lower stat caps on everything else too, so you're also losing parry, acc, crit or whatever. With that said, I will say that fully melded i90 tank accessories are defintely worth using against i110 options in many situations. But the problem isn't just i90 v i110.

It's really expensive. 4x the myth of normal i90 accessories, in addition to other crafting mats and a GSM with max stats (either you find one, or do the grind yourself). Then you absolutely need a bunch of forbidden melds to make it worth using at all. It doesn't help that there's more demand for materia either. The novus and other i90 gear has increased the cost of some materia (particularly the Tier IV stuff) dramatically. Considering you only get 1 guaranteed slot, this can get extremely expensive if RNG hates you (oh man, you know what this game needs!? more heavy RNG content!).

The extra cost would be fine if it you were creating something awesome. But losing a whole secondary stat is quite a big loss to its overall potential. Whereas i70 stuff could be created with a lot of secondary stats, you're probably limited to only 2-3 with i90. It's still *good* when its max melded, but it's not quite what it was at all.

i90 gear also lost its flexibility. Used to be easy to create gear that could be shared between melee and tanks or all of your caster classes. This helped justify putting in expensive melds. But you really can't do that very effectively with the i90 stuff. So again, pay more and get less.

And if they had released these pieces in 2.2, even with the nerfs, you would have had the full 6 month gear cycle to create and use them. Now it's not a question of whether or not to get the crafted gear or the i100 or i110 gear, it's a question of whether you want to replace the i100+ gear you already have with this new crafted stuff.

The late release also brings into question their longevity. Since I'm not able to acquire these pieces until 3 months into the gear cycle, will they still be worth using into 2.4 when i120 and i130 gear is available? I'm still using i70 pieces for stuff like daily runs or open world content (NM hunts or alexandrite chests). Even even though the primary stats are lacking, each piece has 4-5 secondary stats to justify its continued usage. But since the i90 is going to be less powerful comparatively (losing at least 2 secondary stats), it may just be better at that point to just get i120+ DPS acc for my tank when I want to hit harder.

So, no, it's not that I don't think they're worth using if you're comparing max melded i90s to i110 stuff in a vacuum. I would have been happy if they'd have reduced the impact a little. Could have lowered the cost, they could have added an extra guranteed meld (2 slots on each) now that materia is *mandatory* or they could have made it easier to get Tier IV materia to deal with the forbidden meld failure rate. But they didn't do any of that. So with all the nerfs, they're not as powerful, not as flexible, won't be as useful for as long and are going to be more expensive. Is it still worth it?

Which is where I'm really wondering if they just don't like the gear and are trying to discourage us from using it. Delay it till 2.3, nerf it heavily, make it more expensive and people will generally avoid it. It's not even worth using for glamour. If enough people ignore the crafted options, then they can safely "phase them out" and they don't have to worry about balancing them. Is that the goal here?

EDIT: Oh, and seriously with the Skill Speed on DPS accessories. I'm not even sure you can make anything decent even if you pentameld them.

Thank you!!! I had a huge disagreement in my FC on those ilvl 90 accessories.
I currently have a full set of Gryphonskin accessories pentamelded for my tank and they are awesome. I was really looking forward to upgrade to those new crafted accessories and have been saving mats and materias for it.
But OMG, what a disappointment!!! ilvl 70s were amazing and I still consider them BIS for my tank in most content due to the significant dps and accuracy increase.

And yeah, the STR ones are plain awful... The good thing is that I can now sell all my lvl4 materias.

Really, High level Crafting is only for Glamour purpose in this game... few 3 star gear are worth the investment for what they bring. Especially since ilvl 100 are so easily accessible.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

If you don't think 13 str 15 vit accessories are better than 21 vit accessories you got some things to learn about how tanks work. smh @ this whole thread.

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13 STR 15 VIT is better than 21 VIT.

but 13 STR 15 VIT is not better than 9 STR 9 DEX 9 ACC 8 DET 10 VIT 12 Parry 9 Crit from a melded gryphonskin accessory. Not even mentioning all the secondary stats you'll be able to get from other gear because you'll be way over the accuracy cap.

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

13 STR 15 VIT is better than 21 VIT.

but 13 STR 15 VIT is not better than 9 STR 9 DEX 9 ACC 8 DET 10 VIT 12 Parry 9 Crit from a melded gryphonskin accessory. Not even mentioning all the secondary stats you'll be able to get from other gear because you'll be way over the accuracy cap.

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HQ Pentamelded Topaz Accessories would be Str +13 Vit +15 Parry +16 Acc +9 and your choice of Dex +13/Crit +16/Det +11.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

HQ Pentamelded Topaz Accessories would be Str +13 Vit +15 Parry +16 Acc +9 and your choice of Dex +13/Crit +16/Det +11.

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pentamelding Tier IV materia is unrealistic for the vast majority of players when it's only a 7-8% chance to stick the last materia. I imagine on most servers there isn't even enough Tier IV materia available on the market to support 5-10 players doing that (given average fail rates), regardless of how much $$ they have.

The gryphonskin you're comparing it to represents 2 Tier IV (Vit + Crit), 2 Tier III (Parry), and 1 Tier 2 (Vit). A much more reasonable expectation for pentamelding a 1-slot accessory.

If the Topaz Accessories were a 2 slot item (seems appropriate since forbidden melds are now required for the item to not be junk), this would be a different story. Currently, this is not the case.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

pentamelding Tier IV materia is unrealistic for the vast majority of players when it's only a 7-8% chance to stick the last materia.

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Actually, to stick a IV materia in the 4th overmeld slot, it's a 6% chance. Ouch.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

ST doesn't drop accessories, and isn't ilvl 110....

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No, but it does drop Soldiery and oils of time, which combine to make 110 accessories.
I'm pretty sure that's what Kyana meant anyways

Do you even play this game bro? i90 accessories awfull? Actually they are BiS!

The high allagan/ i110 set only gives you +21 VIT, while the crafted i90 gives you +15 VIT. This works out to a loss 30 VIT total. 30 VIT translates to a loss of 450 hp.

What do you get for in return? You can meld 13 STR and 13 DEX on each piece, giving you a total of 65 STR and 65 DEX.

How good is the latter? That 65 str is the equivalent of 195 determination. Put it this way, from leveling your job from 1 to 50, you only get 40 extra stats you can tweak and put into whatever. You are now getting 65, more than 50% extra!!!

What does this do? 65 STR translates to higher damage, easier hate management, and 1% extra parry.

Lets look at the other stat, 65 DEX. How good is this. At lvl50, 65 dex WILL put you over the next DEX tier, which will give you 3% extra parry.

This is not counting the regular stat (parry that you are also getting from the accessories, 13 each for a total of 65). ~13 parry is equivalent to 1% parry. So you are getting another 5% parry from these accessories.

So you are getting in total 9% more parry rate, higher dps, better aggro management and in exchange you lose 480 hp.

It is a done deal. They are BiS. You cant even compare. 65 str is the same as getting a piece with 195 DET on it. And you are questioning the usefullness of the accessories? Are you frikkin kidding me? Do you even play this game.

As an aside, if you use all tier IV melds, this leaves you with 1 more slot on each accessory free to meld whatever you like, be it DET, ACC, or CRIT.

You are out of your mind if you think i110 accesories which give only 1 primary stat and 2 secondary stats can compete with the fully penta melded i90s. Do you even know how to play this game. The difference lies in i110 (1 primary stat, no choice in secondary stat) and i90 (THREE primary stats, 2 secondary stat of which 1 is your choice). Done deal, period.

There is actually another side to this story. In here, we assume you have all i110 high allagan / soldiery accessory so we can compare it with a set of fully penta melded i90s. In reality, there is only a couple of lucky guys on the server that actually have all 5 accesories at i110. Most folks dont even have i110 while some have a few i110s mixed with i100s.

So here I give you the other side of the story: buy it from market, or rely on the RNG Gods for a FREE i110 piece which is locked one run per week. GG.

Here is another FACT for you.

Do you know how much extra STR you get from upgrading a MNK fuma set (i80, the crystal tower 1 gear) to i110 gear (high allagan or soldiery)?
Exactly 62 extra STR.

This is not including accessories, but includes the belt. So the full Fuma gear with the belt to i110 including the belt, gives you 62 more STR.

With the accessories you can melt 65 STR total. THAT IS HOW GOOD THE i90 CRAFTED ACCESSORIES ARE. It is 30 ilvl jump in damage. Anyone who still thinks the i90 crafted accessories are shit, simply don't know how to play this game. Maybe games like Cooking Mama Wii is more suited to you then.

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

You are out of your mind if you think i110 accesories which give only 1 primary stat and 2 secondary stats can compete with the fully penta melded i90s. Do you even know how to play this game. The difference lies in i110 (1 primary stat, no choice in secondary stat) and i90 (THREE primary stats, 2 secondary stat of which 1 is your choice). Done deal, period.

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I think the people complaining are generally the sort that wouldn't want to pentameld since it's more expensive than crossing fingers on a drop coming their way.

I'd be surprised if the people complaining had even considered what the max meldable stats were.

These accessories are quite potent for Accuracy builds for healers as well. Stick some VIT and Accuracy on them and you won't have to use lesser i90 stuff on your left side slots.

The usual slots used for accuracy i90 melds were head, hands, belt, and feet. Accessories are in the same "weight" tier as belts, which is the lowest of any slot.

For those who don't know what I mean by "weight" tier, look at the amount of main stat you have on any given piece of gear at a certain ilvl:

For i110:
Weapon: VIT+44, MND+42
Body/Legs: VIT+41, MND+39
Head/Hands/Feet: VIT+25, MND+24
Belt: VIT+19, MND+18
Accessories: VIT 0, MND+18

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

Do you even play this game bro?

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I think you could have fit this question in a few more times in the wall of text.

i110 loot isn't a one time a week lockout. you have 4 different turns to possibly obtain once a week. coil 2 has also been in effect for 3 months now, so the people that actually care about the best gear for raiding have gotten plenty of drops by now.

not to mention, hunts introduced an extremely easy way to get oils and sands. these might be desirable before the next coil in a few months, but right now nobody really seems to care about them. granted I've sold a decent amount of them, but i can easily craft this stuff for myself and I'm not even worried about them. pentamelding 5 new accessories when I'm perfectly fine with my soldiery/ha gear, seems a little excessive and unnecessary. what am i gonna do, beat ramuh and syrcus tower a tad faster with this stuff? yea, thats worth my time/money.

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Originally Posted by Borland

I think the people complaining are generally the sort that wouldn't want to pentameld since it's more expensive than crossing fingers on a drop coming their way.

I'd be surprised if the people complaining had even considered what the max meldable stats were.

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If the overmelding & spiritbinding Tier IVs wasn't entirely based on running around in crappy gear and pure RNG I would have less of a problem with this. It's not the cost, it's the fact that melding is now required for these not to be junk, and the spiritbinding/melding process sucks.

There's also the minor annoyance that i90s don't help you meet ilvl requirements for stuff. But that's more of an issue I have with crafted acc I make for alts as opposed to my main.