2.3 New Crafting Accessories Materia Stat Caps

Here you go! :D

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Rose Gold Choker:
NQ Base: CP 28
HQ Base: CP 32
Meld Stat Caps: Control 4 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 6

Mosshorn Earrings:
NQ Base: CP 28
HQ Base: CP 32
Meld Stat Caps: Control 4 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 6

Dodore Belt:
NQ Base: Control 27
HQ Base: Control 31
Meld Stat Caps: Control 5 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 3

Thanks so much for this!

On my server (at least before the patch, I haven't checked materia prices since the patch and can't right now), the cheapest melds are:

Rose Gold Choker: Cunning 4, Command 3, Competence 2, Cunning 2, Command 1

Mosshorn Earrings: Cunning 4, Command 3, Competence 2, Cunning 2, Command 1

Dodore Belt: Command 3, Command 2, Competence 2, Cunning 2, Cunning 1 (much cheaper than ending with Cunning 3)

Money I spent on old melds: ~700,000
Average expected cost of new melds on my server: ~920,000

Eh, could have been worse, I guess?

Is this small gain necessary to make new items? I am max melded and have i70 weapons for all crafts. Do i have to do the new items just to craft the new accessories

Also, the increases for max melds are:

CP: +6 (+4 from ears, +2 from neck, +0 from belt)
Control: +7 (+1 from ears, +1 from neck, +5 from belt)
Craftsmanship: +3 (+1 from ears, +1 from neck, +1 from belt)

I'm a bit disappointed by the CP gains - I was hoping for at least +8. The nice thing about the +3 Craftsmanship is that you no longer need to meld craftsmanship to an offhand to make three star items. And more control is good, I guess?

Where and how do you get the recipes for these?

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Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen

Where and how do you get the recipes for these?

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I'm guessing they come from the new master craft books. I was worried about the desynth grind, but it doesn't seem all that bad so far (1 field, 3 battle demimateria after an hour or so of making and breaking gear to level).

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Originally Posted by rrracheljoy

Here you go! :D

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Rose Gold Choker:
NQ Base: CP 28
HQ Base: CP 32
Meld Stat Caps: Control 4 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 6

Mosshorn Earrings:
NQ Base: CP 28
HQ Base: CP 32
Meld Stat Caps: Control 4 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 6

Dodore Belt:
NQ Base: Control 27
HQ Base: Control 31
Meld Stat Caps: Control 5 | Craftsmanship 4 | CP 3

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This is awesome, thanks! I know this may be asking for a lot, but could you upload a mini-guide on how to obtain the new master recipe books and the new ilvl75 primary? Yes, may be asking for a lot, but someone's gotta do it and I vote for you! :)

P.S. Will I need my artisian ilvl70 primary tool for ALL of the new masrer recipes AND in order to receive the new ilvl75 primary tool? I have all of the stuff necessary to grind out for my first ilvl70 primary, but I'd much rather sell that material than use it to acquire something I'm about to replace, unless the ilvl70 was somehow required in order to obtain the ilvl75.

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

I'm guessing they come from the new master craft books. I was worried about the desynth grind, but it doesn't seem all that bad so far (1 field, 3 battle demimateria after an hour or so of making and breaking gear to level).

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I figured that's how you had to do it, make and break gear lol. Oh boyyyyyy

I was buying cheap gear to break down.. got goldsmith to +50 and leatherworker +30 for about 150k, could do it a lot cheaper buy making the gear but it was really quick to do.

on topic.. thanx for the stat caps they will help when I get around to getting them.. not in a hurry as they don't seem such a big jump. however a gain is a gain and that = good things.

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Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen

P.S. Will I need my artisian ilvl70 primary tool for ALL of the new masrer recipes AND in order to receive the new ilvl75 primary tool? I have all of the stuff necessary to grind out for my first ilvl70 primary, but I'd much rather sell that material than use it to acquire something I'm about to replace, unless the ilvl70 was somehow required in order to obtain the ilvl75.

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No you will not need new tools to get the new master books / tools

but you will need to do a lot of desynthing

as the mats for the book are gained from desynth

Battle stuff is from DoW/DoM gear and Field is from craft/DoL gear

So, here's what I know about desynthing so far. ilvl ?-49 gear can desynth into Demimateria Is. The higher end of that yield two of them when they give you Demimateria. ilvl 55 items can yield Demimateria II (and never give Is), and often give two (though I've also gotten one once). I'm scared of what ilvl is required for a chance ato the Demimateria IIIs or the Matercraft Demimateria. When they give (non-clear) Demimateria, DoW/DoM items can yield Battlecraft Demimateria, and DoL/DoH items can yield Fieldcraft Demimateria.

You can get the new books and the new tools from the same guy who sold the old books and the old tools. To get the new books, each one costs 5 Fieldcraft Demimateria I and 5 Battlecraft Demimateria I (really not that bad, I already have two of the books). To get the new tools is a different story... The tools require 5x of the new token items. Each token item costs 2x Fieldcraft Demimateria III to craft. I don't even know what you have to desynth to get Fieldcraft IIIs, but I'm scared it'll wind up being the old Artisan tools. I don't know of anything else above ilvl 55 for crafters or gatherers, and ilvl 55 has only given me IIs so far.

There are additional requirements for the new tools, but I can't recall them off the top of my head. I think they also require Mastercraft Demimateria, but I don't remember how many. The new tools aren't that much better than the Artisan ones.

(FYI, unlike when converting, the Aetheryte Ring yields Fieldcraft Demimateria - very nice for GSMs given how cheap they are to make)

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Originally Posted by LukeStuz

No you will not need new tools to get the new master books / tools

but you will need to do a lot of desynthing

as the mats for the book are gained from desynth

Battle stuff is from DoW/DoM gear and Field is from craft/DoL gear

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Actually I think you do need the Artisan tools to get the new lvl 75 tools. The new tools require 5x 3-star test mats (the upgraded versions of the 50x 2-star test mats used to get the Artisan tools). Even with the new crafting gear, fully melded, and food, I don't think it's possible to meet the minimum 3-star requirements without using an Artisan tool. I would be happy for someone to crunch the numbers and prove me wrong, but on a quick calculation I don't think I am.

That's not to mention the 3 Mastercraft demimateria you need to get the new tools, which look like they're going to be VERY difficult or expensive to get - probably from desynthesis of level 90 gear.

EDIT: As Nyalia points out, the Fieldcraft III may be even worse than the Mastercraft. I've also only gotten level II demis from level 55 crafting gear. And Artisan gear is the only thing higher... I would suggest trying it on the Specs and not the tools though!

Yeah, I realized after I posted that if you have to desynth ilvl 70 items, you really want to desynth the Artisan's Spectacles. You can buy them for 10 HQ Spicy Tomato Relish, which is really not that bad. It'll only be terrible if 100 GSM desynth skill gives you a low % chance of success, or if there's a low chance to get 1 Fieldcraft Demimateria III from it. Or if it has to be spiritbound..... I've made a ton of three star synths and my specs aren't even close to spiritbonding.

As a random sidenote, the new token items do not need to be HQ. I don't think they even CAN be HQed. The DoL ones are marked like shards/crystals/etc in that they have a HQ chance of -.

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Originally Posted by NJA

Actually I think you do need the Artisan tools to get the new lvl 75 tools. The new tools require 5x 3-star test mats (the upgraded versions of the 50x 2-star test mats used to get the Artisan tools). Even with the new crafting gear, fully melded, and food, I don't think it's possible to meet the minimum 3-star requirements without using an Artisan tool. I would be happy for someone to crunch the numbers and prove me wrong, but on a quick calculation I don't think I am.

That's not to mention the 3 Mastercraft demimateria you need to get the new tools, which look like they're going to be VERY difficult or expensive to get - probably from desynthesis of level 90 gear.

EDIT: As Nyalia points out, the Fieldcraft III may be even worse than the Mastercraft. I've also only gotten level II demis from level 55 crafting gear. And Artisan gear is the only thing higher... I would suggest trying it on the Specs and not the tools though!

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I heard you have to trade in your artisan in order to get the new one. So either way, with what you have written or what I have just written, that takes care of that.

No, you don't trade in your artisan tool. You trade in the blue tool you received from your level 50 class quest.

At least the new 3 star crafts required for tool exchange don't require HQ, but still curious to find out where the Fieldcraft Demimateria III comes from.

Edit: Also holding onto all my clear demimateria in hopes of that goblin being able to transmute them 1 day

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

No, you don't trade in your artisan tool. You trade in the blue tool you received from your level 50 class quest.

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But just to confirm, you do recommend/need having the ilvl70 artisan primary tool in order to craft what you need for the ilvl75 primary tool?

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Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen

But just to confirm, you do recommend/need having the ilvl70 artisan primary tool in order to craft what you need for the ilvl75 primary tool?

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Can you hit 391 Craftsmanship and 374 Control (the requirements for any three star item, including the new tokens) without the artisan tool? I'm pretty sure you can't...

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Originally Posted by Gelesto

At least the new 3 star crafts required for tool exchange don't require HQ

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They're actually HQ Uncraftable, which is nice.

One potential theory that may be worth trying is melding DOH/DOL materia onto i70 gear and desynthing those to see what the results are.

Reason this comes to mind is because clear demimateria is an item as well and that is just a plain/blank slate suggesting that the essence of the weapon/armor/tool couldn't be drawn out and it turned into a plain mold of it's potential. So maybe if you were to add materia that influenced it to be a field demimateria it might be enough to at least offer the opportunity to obtain it through battle gear.

Finished melding my Rose Gold Choker to the state caps this morning. Had a bit of luck on a couple melds and figured I'd throw it on the market to see if I can make a nice little profit given how high the crafting materia prices are right now and the fact that I mainly melded from my own materia cache. The chokers are selling slowly for around 350g on my server.

Does 2M seem like a good price for full melded rose gold choker? I'm trying to price it in a spot where someone's got to pay me a decent mark up to avoid the melding hassle since I'll just hang onto it if I can't make a tidy little profit.

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Originally Posted by Krafty

Does 2M seem like a good price for full melded rose gold choker? I'm trying to price it in a spot where someone's got to pay me a decent mark up to avoid the melding hassle since I'll just hang onto it if I can't make a tidy little profit.

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I have no idea what your server prices are like, but calculate out the average cost to meld it to max caps. To do that, take the percent chance of failure and multiply it by the currently selling price of the materia for that slot. Once you have the total, add 50%-100% and sell it for that much. Anyone who claims that's overpricing has not max melded enough equipment. It can easily cost more than that to make if you get unlucky with your melds.

Thanks. I like calculating using the averages.

Sold for 1.6M. I figure I was into it for about 800k, so ended up getting around the 100% figure you referenced on what I actually would have had to spend. Given the fact that I got lucky on a couple melds, albeit cheaper ones, the price was probably closer to 50% increase over the cost based upon averaging.

Now I'm a little nervous that I have to do it all over again for my own choker. :P

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Originally Posted by Krafty

Now I'm a little nervous that I have to do it all over again for my own choker. :P

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Either keep track of how much money you spend so you can kick yourself if you spend over 1.6m, or don't keep track and convince yourself that you spent way less than that :D

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Originally Posted by Krafty

Given the fact that I got lucky on a couple melds, albeit cheaper ones

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Did two 3rd tier overmeld yesterday at 13%, materia costing around 30K each. First item had 25 fails, so I gave up. Second item melded on the 3rd try. You go figure how that 13% charms in.

Same with Desyn, 83% success, and 5 fails on 10 tries.

jc

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Same with Desyn, 83% success, and 5 fails on 10 tries.

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Please be aware of Observation Bias. Have you ever succeeded with 5 out of 10 tries with a 17% chance for each? If you had, would you think anything of it, vs failing 5 out of 10 tries with an 83% chance? To do a fair evaluation of the RNG the game uses, you have to look at large amounts of data, and record everything, not just the negative outliers. When I did this, I found the RNG actually favored me overall. Expected cost of all crafter melds: 13m. Actual value of materia used: 12m. But, I still failed a 35% chance 9 times, a 24% chance 11 times, an 11% chance 34 times, and a 14% chance 22 times.

Looking at my data for my meld success/failures, even with the crazy outliers, when averaged out, most success rates are really close to what I got.
Total attempts done to get 11 successes at 13-14%: 77.
Expected number of attempts to get 11 successes at 13.5%: 11/.135 = 81.5.

Total attempts done to get 14 successes with a 24% chance: 56.
Expected number of attempts to get 14 successes at 24%: 14/.24 = 58.3

Just to show that things can go the other way, I fully melded my Dodore Belt last night. It went as such:

Command IV: 1/1 (100%)
Cunning III: 1/1 (35%)
Competence III: 1/5 (19%)
Command I: 1/1 (12%)

I was wise enough to hang onto this one. :)