Selene or Eos?

So, I've been playing this game for a couple of months now (currently i96 scholar stuck on TEX/T5) and I've honestly always used Eos.
Recently though, I've been practicing to use Selene in easy things like main scenario roulette and I notice that runs go a quite a bit faster when I use her...
At least when I don't forget to click the buffs, since I use my fairies on Obey xD

My question is, what fairy do you guys think is better and for which content?
I feel like I should use Selene more than I currently do, considering I only use her for things up to Praetorium, but I'm afraid I'll miss out on the AoE healing and breathing room Eos provides if I do.

(Sorry if my English is a bit screwy, it's not my first language >.<)

It mostly depends if you are confident in your healing skills or not.

Usually, I use Eos for anything that I don't know yet (except new 4-men dungeons) and Selene for everything else. There is no real occasion where the AoE heal of Eos is needed when you know the fights.

That said, if there is a double scholar composition, having both fairies is better than 2 Selene or 2 Eos

I use Eos for:

Leviathan
Turn 5 after snakes
Turn 6
Turn 8 trash
Turn 9 after golems.

Otherwise I'm using Selene.

I try to use Selene whenever I am confident I won't have healing issue because DPS love her
I use Eos when I solo stuff like maps, daily tribe...
as mentionned above I also use Eos when I start a new fight, then slowly switch to Selene as the team and I gear and up and bit more confident
(ex: I just started using Selene for T8 when I though I really needed Eos)

Thanks for the responses guys ^_^
Guess I'll be trying to use Selene more often.
Any specific advice on how to cycle through her buffs or just use them whenever they're off cooldown?

I let her on auto xD

that way you have a permanent buff : 30 secs of spell speed, 30 secs of skill speed, repeat.

I'm not SCH main though, so I might be badly wrong

I've macro'd both buffs (seperately)

Here's an example
/micon "Fey Glow"
/pac "Fey Glow"
/wait 27
/echo " text <se.7> "

This way it reminds me that the buff will end soon so I'm prepared to cast the other.
I'm not sure but I think if selene isnt on obey she only uses 1 of the buffs and doesnt cycle them. Could be severly wrong though. I like to have as much controll as possible so I'll leave her on obey and do it manually.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

I've macro'd both buffs (seperately)

Here's an example
/micon "Fey Glow"
/pac "Fey Glow"
/wait 27
/echo " text <se.7> "

This way it reminds me that the buff will end soon so I'm prepared to cast the other.
I'm not sure but I think if selene isnt on obey she only uses 1 of the buffs and doesnt cycle them. Could be severly wrong though. I like to have as much controll as possible so I'll leave her on obey and do it manually.

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She will cycle them since they have a 60 sec cooldown and a 30sec duration.

Also unless your not using any other macros you won't see the echo from your macro since you can only have 1 macro "running" at a time

As for which one I use. Normally I'm on WHM unless I'm soloing or doing EX roulette (Hate brayflox HM as whm) and I use Eos for those. I might start using Selene for the roulette through I do like the regen during the larger pulls there.

The SCH in my static does what others have said starts fights with Eos and once we have the mechanics down will switch to Selene. We have just started learning T8 and the extra healing is helpful when we miss a Homing Missle. Also as a WHM I love the +healing buff.

Selene on auto works well, except if you are doing a content where you don't want to make a mob immune to "silence" at the wrong time.

Using Selene all the time (all Primals, >T8)! :)

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Originally Posted by Thaliss

Selene on auto works well, except if you are doing a content where you don't want to make a mob immune to "silence" at the wrong time.

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mobs can't be immune to silence with a resistance built.

Selene you can use on autopilot, that way buffs are always up. I only use Eos for Titan and Levi Ex and t5+. Everything else you dont need the extra healing power and would be better off using Selene's support buffs.

Selene is still just as mentally impaired as Eos when on autopilot and will end up wasting buff uptime by casting regardless of whether or not you are about to take advantage of it. I'd recommend keeping her on a short leash (i.e. Obey) as well.

Selene on auto isn't too bad for stuff where you really need to be concentrating elsewhere and whilst I'm not sure why people think otherwise but her uptime on Fey Light/Glow is almost entirely 100%, /sic her on the boss as you are buffing and she will start the rotation before you engage giving your whm a little helping hand with stoneskins if applicable. The downside of this is that you lose the ability to macro Selene's heals to follow your own which takes a fair bit of the edge of of your single target healing ability.

Generally I use autopilot selene for T7 and T8. The tank damage isn't especially high and in both encounters it's far more important that I react to certain abilities and events immediately. Even the slightest distraction at the wrong point can cause a wipe.

Just ran a Tam Tara low level roulette and killed my entire party with Selene running on AI.
Good times.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

Just ran a Tam Tara low level roulette and killed my entire party with Selene running on AI.
Good times.

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Awe...welll yes, the 'Selene' -go to crowd, ia mostly referring to level 50+ content.... low end content, you are almost always better off with Eos in Obey as you mainly only have her 'Embrace' and 'Whispering Wind' skills....Selene isn't viable until you are higher up and have access to more fairy skills.

Or you can macro selene's embrace to heal the target of your target via your DPS abilities. Then Selene is perfectly viable (If someone pointless until you have both Fey Light and Glow). The only pull in Tam Tara I can think of that hits hard enough to warrant Whispering Dawn is the final orb trash pull with the 4 cultists no?

It's been a long time since I used Selene on sic but yea saw that she cycles through the buffs and pretty well on top of that. She does lose here and there some seconds if casting embrace but all in all it's rather superb. I will try her out in todays T8 on sic. What to do with the free hotbar space now though :3 I think I'll keep using her on Obey though since I'm really used to it.
Also the macro I've described earlier is the only macro I use so it works.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Also the macro I've described earlier is the only macro I use so it works.

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I could not play a healer without macros. All of my cures are macroed to <mo> (mouse over) so I can keep the tank targeted and still cure whoever took a hit.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Or you can macro selene's embrace to heal the target of your target via your DPS abilities. Then Selene is perfectly viable (If someone pointless until you have both Fey Light and Glow). The only pull in Tam Tara I can think of that hits hard enough to warrant Whispering Dawn is the final orb trash pull with the 4 cultists no?

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well yeah, but really until you have Light and Glow might as well rock Eos since well...she has slightly more utility low-level....was my main point.

For Selene I have a macro that has 3 skills in 1 button and no wait time


Skillspeed Buff
Spellspeed Buff
Embrace


Before the fight starts, I use the macro to trigger the first skill (skillspeed), I wait 30 seconds then press it again. At that point I can just spam the button on whoever I want to embrace and Selene will auto-cast any buff on CDs (every 30sec) while still healing my main target. Very convenient.

I tend to stick with Eos most of the time. Main reason being if it's low healing maintenance, I can just pop a Whispering Dawn (with Rouse if it's available) and then go into Cleric's Stance to help with DPS until it goes off.

Honestly it is comfort with the group and the content... Then you pick which one is best suited. It is easier to choose Selene when running with a static and a co healer you know you can trust. In other situations such as random groups I usually lean more towards Eos as default just because I don't know what to expect out of the group. Content outside of SCOB does not have difficult dps checks so with randoms I'm going on the side of caution. I can always switch out later if the group is running smoothly.

People above have mentioned Selene's usefulness in different fights in SCOB.

I'm not an endgame player; I mostly stick to dungeons. That being said, I don't remember the last time I used Eos at all.

Using Selene or Eos really depends on the content you are doing, how comfortable you are with the content, and how the other healer is performing.(WHM in most cases since you are SCH. That. Or you're doing double SCH.)

Depending on how you feel with the fight will determine which pet you shall use.(This isn't the case for all content/circumstances.)

Eos will most likely be used when you're trying out brand new content. You're not sure what damage shall happen, is there a lot of AoE healing/magic damage I can block? Do I need to increase raid healing to help the other healer? All of these come into play. There are also times where the raid damage can be so much where it'll be most optimal to use Eos till either more gear, or to help the other healer. (Turn 6 Savage. Leviathan EX(debatable) etc. That or the other healer just sucks.) (Continued in next post.)

Poping Selene's buffs in a rotation will increase overall Raid DPS. Making the run go faster. If you're comfortable healing the fight, and the other healer can handle most of this. This is a perfect time to pop her buff, then rotate as they come up/go down. While "Stance Dancing" and helping DPS. This still does not mean you should: lultunnelvision and not help the other healer when healing needs to happen. You can still command her to Embrace as well while you're DPS at the time to still help with heals. She will embrace if you command her too.

Each pet has their uses and they don't: "suck." Knowing which one to use in a situation is key for a SCH. They should understand which pet is used for which, and how to utilize them to their full abilities.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

well yeah, but really until you have Light and Glow might as well rock Eos since well...she has slightly more utility low-level....was my main point.

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I have to agree with this. Eos is really the only option in all dungeons before level 40.
I did copperbell mines shortly after unlocking scholar, and I basically afk'd through most of it. I think I casted physick twice through the whole run?
Eos' scaling when she goes to low level is really broken. It's like she stays level 30.

I've been put as sch on my alt instead of smn like I planned, and I don't care how much people cry there, I use Eos until I know the fights well enough and people stop messing up. Also the day my co-healer stops dps'ing even though the tank is uner 25%.

When everything is comfortable and known Selene really comes handy. Especially when you put her on "Sic", then i just dont bother about pet, she will buff automatically and heal whatever she likes, not like it will be too needed anyway. I also will always use Selene if another healer in party is SCH also and uses Eos.

But can't you only have 1 of Glow/Light up at once? I thought that activating one while the other is active cancels the first one, and having Selene on Sic will mean that she pops them on CD.

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Originally Posted by DarkerOrange

But can't you only have 1 of Glow/Light up at once? I thought that activating one while the other is active cancels the first one, and having Selene on Sic will mean that she pops them on CD.

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This would only matter for the first one. And they changed her AI so she doesn't waste it. But they have a 30 sec duration and a 60 sec recast so they line up perfectly after the first one.

After I got more comfortable with healing, I started easing into using Selene instead of Eos. Now I use Selene unless I am very new to the fight or need the extra healing for the fight.

Also depends on the party. If I am in an 8-man party and the other healer is also a SCH, I use whichever fairy they are not. If they are using Eos (which I see most of the time in DF ones), I will use Selene. If they use Selene i will use Eos.

I will also use Eos in lower level content when helping someone else or doing Low Roulette just because she has more that I can actually use effectively when synced down as compared to Selene.