ATMA have killed the magic of this game for me. Im out.

Atma farming is an absolutely terrible, lazy, and enraging mechanic. The developers of this game should be ashamed of themselves.
I've been hard at work farming Atmas since the patch went live. I have 4. I've farmed for a minimum of 1.5hrs and usually 3, six days a week. The other day I had the extreme displeasure of watching a gentleman on my friends list complete his farming in a single day. 6hrs 9mins and he was totally done. Total BS. RNG screws over some of us who work and work for it, others walk up and oneshot this thing.
In the future, I'd suggest making it something simple, easy, and obtainable by everyone, with the same amount of work.
For example: Score 500 points in FATEs in this zone.
Gold = 5 pts
Silver = 3 pts
Bronze = 2 pts
Failure = 1 pt
If you even tried, you get something. A system totally dependent on RNG to produce a 1% drop rate is absolutely absurd.
I, for one, am done with this game. I can't be the only one. I hope SE learns from this mistake.

k bye now.

If you're upset or frustrated with the ATMA grid/drop rate, simply stop work on your ATMA quest.

There's plenty more game to enjoy.

I really don't know why people are stressing over the Atma stuff. Granted I'm one of those that got mine in 2 days of grinding, but it's not like I NEED an Atma. There isn't anything in game that you need it for, so why not just take a break till next patch or two? That's what the hubby & I are doing, playing other single player and co-op games we've neglected till there's more to do in game then just BCOB, tome grinding, & this.

I totally understand your frustration OP but I say just take a break don't let this be what makes you decide to give up the game for good. This game isn't even technically a year old yet (not including 1.0 time), just play some other stuff while more content comes out ^_^b

ATMA is awful, I knew in 15 minutes I'd never, ever do it... Even for an ilvl 150 weapon. I don't care. It's meaningless, pointless, awful, horrible, terrible, mind numbingly boring, and it is obviously an overt design decision to prologue your subscription.

But, having said that... The entire game is designed with 90% filler and 10% actually doing something fun.

This is my first, and almost certainly last, MMO.
I happened to pick it up at a time when there isn't much else I want to play, but I cannot imagine anyone choosing this "game?" over any real game with actual fun mechanics.

I'm truly surprised that people complain about the ATMA quest though, because in order to even get to ATMA you had to go through about 1-200 hours of very similar, stupid, rote, mind numbingly boring tasks overtly designed to simply increase the amount of time you spend paying SE a sub.

So, why complain now... Lol?
That's my only question.

You aren't wrong, ATMA is stupid... But, uh, why complain now?

Well I did not enjoy doing ATMA fates but then again I could just stop doing them, if you get tired by ATMA fates then do something else: I do plan on full upgrade on AF weapon for BLM but i'll get it done when i'm there and if that takes 2 or 3 months that is ok.

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So, why complain now... Lol?
That's my only question.

You aren't wrong, ATMA is stupid... But, uh, why complain now?

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is there a proper time to complain? 5 after moonset? after happy hour? when man, when?

Just reiterating what everyone else is saying, just don't do it then! There's viable alternatives. It's a game remember! In fact, I'm surprised anyone has done it, but some people find grinding fun!

While RNG does stink, its not the worst thing ever. I sense a lazy one. Though you do know there are other things to do..right?

@ Kiytto


At least the previous quests didn't force you to roll imaginary dice before you were allowed to proceed. Everyone can do any quest at their own pace, but the RNG Atmas will determine whether or not you advance.


For the others, I have seen nearly everyone say "Go do something else!"

....Like what? At this point, people already cleared the EX primals and the second coil of Bahamut. The last patch didn't really give a lot of new things to do, so what do you expect people to do?

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people already cleared the EX primals and the second coil of Bahamut.

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Yup, the roughly 100 groups who already cleared SCoB are representative for all players... and if you have nothing to do, play another game, simple as that :D

I personally don't see what the big deal is. It's not something that's meant to be rushed, and SE is slowly with each step making it more and more annoying to upgrade the Relic weapon because I'm guessing it's gonna be a pretty powerful piece, probably the most powerful weapon in the long run. Knowing SE very well by now, my advice would be to keep at it cuz after enough patches when the weapon is finalized, you're gonna be kicking yourself for not doing it. Do a little each day even aim for one a day it's not that bad.

OP: totally agree. Did some grinding near Aleport, for 1 week (3-5 hours per day, but cracked after 2 and switched to other content) Never did get the ATMA to drop. As the grind wore on, I spent less and less time on FFXIV. I was one of the first with the Behemoth mount, and I've been on since day one. Now, the only contact with FFXIV I have, is via the forums, and the searches for ATMA
Will not renew / update the game until the RNG gets fixed. I guess no more 6 month purchases at a time, since a dumb change like that killed the game for me. I have no problem with grinding, I have a problem with RNG. Flipping a coin, it's always 50% chance of heads. Doing it 5 times in a row, getting tails each time, does that alter the 6th throw chance distribution? NO. So, each time I dont get the ATMA, it's the same situation.
In any case, not complaining, just agreeing with the OP; and since i was searching for any ATMA changes, funny how weeks after I leave, this is STILL the first hit.

Love the defenders of this garbage.

The issue for me is the fact they designed the system in the first place. Then chose to keep it in, after the outrage.

It shows lack of customer feedback being taken seriously and that they are ao far out of touch with the player base it's scary.

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If you're upset or frustrated with the ATMA grid/drop rate, simply stop work on your ATMA quest.

There's plenty more game to enjoy.

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... Like what?

The relic upgrade is supposed to be a long, time-consuming quest to serve as time-locked progression for people who are unable to do Second Coil. If you can do Second Coil, you probably already have a weapon just as good if not better than the equivalent relic. If you are going for your relic upgrade, then chances are you aren't doing Second Coil but have cleared the rest of the non-"endgame" content, so what else is left for you to do?

Nothing, that's what. That's why the relic upgrade quest is a long line of monotonous busywork, for people who want to progress but aren't skilled enough or aren't willing to do with the crap that comes with doing Second Coil. If you don't want to do either of those things, there is literally nothing left to do in the game.

With 2.2, they put all of their eggs in the progression basket, and then locked the majority of the playerbase out of the majority of the content. Then, instead of, say, creating some new side content and tying in relic progression into that to guarantee a certain amount of a traffic, they tied relic progression into doing exactly what you've already been doing, again and again and again, whether this is FATEs, myth grind, or whatever.

It's a terrible, backwards system and ignoring won't make it any better. The problem with the "if you don't like it, leave it" suggestion for MMOs is that they need as many people playing them as they can. I believe you'll find if you continue to support terrible content being made, and justify it to others by saying they are free to leave if they don't like it, then your server will be empty in a couple months.

This is especially trouble since it seems like 2.3 isn't going to change this tendency of introducing meaningless grind to buy time that they started in 2.2.

Here is my simple answer to all this.
What else would I do? Even if I skip it for now, its hanging over my head forcing me to do it in patch 2.95. I don't even want to think about spending the next year off and on farming this BS just to get it done. Especially once the ilvl of the item I'd get will be worthless in a patch or two.

And this isn't from people who played the game non stop then asked "and then what?" 2.2 was simply lackluster. All it had was a few story quests leading up to Leviathan, PvP adjustments, extra side quests for lower level players, the second coil, and the infamous Atma and Animus quests. There really wasn't much to do and Square knew Atma would keep people busy until next patch.

To be fair, that's all MMOs are... Grind for gear and be elite. Atma farming is no different than spamming T6+ for two months without getting the drop you want lol Well it is different, just slightly. You're just having bad luck is all, my first Atma took like 14 hours, but after that I got one every hour or two.

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To be fair, that's all MMOs are... Grind for gear and be elite. Atma farming is no different than spamming T6+ for two months without getting the drop you want lol Well it is different, just slightly. You're just having bad luck is all, my first Atma took like 14 hours, but after that I got one every hour or two.

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It's a HELL of a lot different.

Never seen a ladybug do Heaven's Fall.

Ok well I recently was able to finally log into these forums and my advice is not to grind fates for atmas it may be RNG, but I had pretty good luck doing a bunch of fates not many and switching zones when I was tired of the zone. FC member also had good luck following my style for the atmas.

I completely agree that the RNG-heaviness of the whole Atma deal is disgusting. I don't mind grind, but flat out gambling sucks. It isn't okay that one person gets their Atma on their first fate, while another has to farm 115 fates for a single one. I've been farming one for several hours, a friend of mine joined me for less than a quarter of that time to motivate me, and ended up getting 2 superfluent Atmas she didn't need while I still hadn't gotten mine until about 5 hours of farming later.

Make it fair for everyone, give us 1 Atma per 50 fates or even per 100 - don't let person A have it after 5 fates and person B after 5 hours.

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To be fair, that's all MMOs are... Grind for gear and be elite. Atma farming is no different than spamming T6+ for two months without getting the drop you want lol Well it is different, just slightly. You're just having bad luck is all, my first Atma took like 14 hours, but after that I got one every hour or two.

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The thing is, during the other MMO's when you grind. (or at least the one's i've played) You basically have a good idea as to how many times you have to do something to get the item. As compared to Atma farming while someone has been farming for 20+ hours and not a single atma. Then a person gets one only after doing two or so fates. That can be quite frustrating to some people.

I expect to get at least something for attempting the atma grind... Instead of nothing I've been getting. :(

Frustrated from Atmas? Let your subscription be wasted and and take a break! Square always love your money... (sarcasm of course)