Botting in dungeons: is this a thing now?

Hi all,

Just wanted to ask if anyone else has encountered another character who to all appearances is botting in a dungeon? I ran Tam Terra just recently, and the tank was just terrible. And not in an "im new to the game and learning this class" sort of terrible; it was on par with what I would imagine a program would control a character in a dungeon. Is this going to be a thing? Also, I don't think he was trolling, because trolls generally jump around a lot more. I just don't know what to make of this experience..

Without knowing exactly what they did wrong it's hard to say if they were botting or not, but it definitely does happen and has done for awhile. Albeit rare.

while there is a chance this person was botting, there is also the chance that you ran into what i have run into before; someone who has no ability to comunicate. in my case, one of the dps was being played by an 11 year old. needless to say, the run was horrible. it was the first time a copperbell mines had gone so badly.

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Originally Posted by Darkdrover

Hi all,

Just wanted to ask if anyone else has encountered another character who to all appearances is botting in a dungeon? I ran Tam Terra just recently, and the tank was just terrible. And not in an "im new to the game and learning this class" sort of terrible; it was on par with what I would imagine a program would control a character in a dungeon. Is this going to be a thing? Also, I don't think he was trolling, because trolls generally jump around a lot more. I just don't know what to make of this experience..

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I have encountered this kind of thing myself. A tank kept moving forward in a Castrum Meridium run once and never stopped even when the pt was hanging by a thread as far as HP all the while saying "Go Go go!" in /say. This is the one time I have been absolutely sure someone was botting. I don't know if this is similar to what happened to you or not. If you are sure the player is botting and not just without practice, I would advise you use the vote kick system and select "Cheating" as the reason.

I'm with the OP on this one. Just ran into a botter in Brayflox. After the first 2 failures at the end boss, the other 3 of us stayed outside the final boss's area. The tank didn't notice, didn't say anything, didn't even act any differently than they did before. So, we vote abandoned.

On that last boss, they never hit any of the other goblins when the machine was running along the outside, they didn't even try to hit any bombs and they didn't even consider stepping out of any aoe's.

Did you submit a report? I heard horror stories involving bots in dungeons... so it might be a possibility. I remember back in the day when these small bugs in WP used to drop gil. There was a small group or RMT or bots possibly, jumping around the map, killing these bugs and getting the gil. SE realized that and they patched these monsters, so they don't longer drop money.

At least I know im not imagining things anymore lol. I didn't report, because I really am not for sure if it was 100% botting. I didn't want to report in case it was just a case of it being a child, or someone super new. For the final boss of TamTerra, the tank just ran around the circle, made no attempt to pick up adds, or attack the imps. The entire party were trying to get him/her to say or do anything other than run around like that. I believe in giving everyone a chance, but the behavior was definitely odd. I will take the advice given and send in a report if this happens again. I really, REALLY hope it will not!

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

I'm with the OP on this one. Just ran into a botter in Brayflox. After the first 2 failures at the end boss, the other 3 of us stayed outside the final boss's area. The tank didn't notice, didn't say anything, didn't even act any differently than they did before. So, we vote abandoned.

On that last boss, they never hit any of the other goblins when the machine was running along the outside, they didn't even try to hit any bombs and they didn't even consider stepping out of any aoe's.

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damn... so RMT are getting money from tank duty bonus now?

but since it is a tank, whole party can notice it easy rigtht, please submit ticket every times when you see how he acting strange.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

I'm with the OP on this one. Just ran into a botter in Brayflox. After the first 2 failures at the end boss, the other 3 of us stayed outside the final boss's area. The tank didn't notice, didn't say anything, didn't even act any differently than they did before. So, we vote abandoned.

On that last boss, they never hit any of the other goblins when the machine was running along the outside, they didn't even try to hit any bombs and they didn't even consider stepping out of any aoe's.

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Video? want to see real one

Is a bad player, I don't get why that's so hard to accept.

I don't see the point in botting on dungeons. What can they get out of it? A tank bot that plays so bad 99% of the times cannot finish the dungeon or it will take a very long time and for what? 4000 gil. You can make a lot more money with other means in the game.

I was in an Aurum Vale the other day where both the dps we're under the floor and had the entire room pulled but the mobs couldnt hit them. I stood there and watched them do it until everything was dead and they left the dungeon and we filled the spots and cleared it the right way. This is the first time seeing bots in dungeons let alone seeing them underground and near invincible to anything.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Without knowing exactly what they did wrong it's hard to say if they were botting or not, but it definitely does happen and has done for awhile. Albeit rare.

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Not that rare, I'd say my luck in the df has been 1 in 5 groups has a character that is suspect. Usually a dps but....

Generally RMT'ers don't bot as single characters in dungeons. They usually go in four at a time into specific dungeons with lots of weak mobs in the first couple areas and clear for the gil drops from killing them. Then they abandon and requeue to repeat over and over. Most likely if it really was a bot then its probably a single person with a legit account trying to bot for gil or power level while at work/school or something.

I'ts interesting, while scripting a full dungeon run seems hard or at least impossible for me, the items bought with mythos are getting really expensive, but i don't see why would any RMT script a tam-tara run even if it's to do roulettes for mythos, that's a lot of programming work when they can simply script a bray run.

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Originally Posted by Kanadiana

I was in an Aurum Vale the other day where both the dps we're under the floor and had the entire room pulled but the mobs couldnt hit them. I stood there and watched them do it until everything was dead and they left the dungeon and we filled the spots and cleared it the right way. This is the first time seeing bots in dungeons let alone seeing them underground and near invincible to anything.

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Hope you reported them as you benefitted from them cheating/hacking/botting/whatever they did:P Without reporting kinda made you an an accomplise. Similar to going into coil and someone hacks/whatever so they are invincible and can kill the boss. Then you roll on the loot, in your case you gained XP from others cheating in your party.

My advice if you see someone cheating/hacking in a dungeon is to report and get outa dodge so you don't get dragged down with them.

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Originally Posted by Kerowyn

Generally RMT'ers don't bot as single characters in dungeons. They usually go in four at a time into specific dungeons with lots of weak mobs in the first couple areas and clear for the gil drops from killing them. Then they abandon and requeue to repeat over and over. Most likely if it really was a bot then its probably a single person with a legit account trying to bot for gil or power level while at work/school or something.

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Sounds like the group on Ragnarok who keep appearing at 17/30 in East Shroud queuing for DF then disappearing. See them there all the time as I pass to do the dailies.

Sadly I've seen many real players using bots because they are tired of grinding dungeons. They don't even mind paying an extra $10/month for the bot subscription. The ability to farm 2k myth in 3-4 hours in Lost City, while they do something else entirely is worth the risk of losing their account (2 day ban) to them, because they've been burnt out on Mythflox's Nonstop.

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Originally Posted by Darkdrover

if anyone else has encountered another character who to all appearances is botting in a dungeon?

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I have without any doubt ran into at least one. There was a Paladin in SB gear who would tank Wanderer's Palace the normal method. He'd buff himself with protect, run in and pull the mobs a bit at a time. It would run a route through the dungeon even after wipe, changing to the exact same flash scheme any time it engaged and began tanking mobs. We started having fun with it and messing around by dragging mobs places, and he'd just stand and flash where he was, not proceeding until we zero'd the mobs health out. If it was pulled beyond his targetable range, then he'd proceed as if the mob had died.

After my DF team fiddled with him for quite a while, we let him help us reach tonberry boss and immediately booted him. It was pretty cool to see how it worked, I'm not sure how someone made the software so fast either.

Because this happened in 2.1

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

Sadly I've seen many real players using bots because they are tired of grinding dungeons. They don't even mind paying an extra $10/month for the bot subscription. The ability to farm 2k myth in 3-4 hours in Lost City, while they do something else entirely is worth the risk of losing their account (2 day ban) to them, because they've been burnt out on Mythflox's Nonstop.

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Is that all they get?

Also encountered in aurum vale, couldn't work out what was going on, I was on healer, and friend tank, we couldn't see the other DPS yet mobs were dying, then friend noticed a name briefly appearing underground, all trash was dead to first boss then they left, leaving us both confused

I DF roulette an Amdapor Keep one day and not only were the 2 blm's under the ground, they were able to skip through every lock out and kill just the mobs that weren't on a trigger.

Had someone botting (or boxing) yesterday for sure. Both characters followed each other around like puppies. Did weird things (such as playing TP song until the bard's mana ran out. Which the bard turned on as soon as we entered the boss room even though we didn't engage). Never responded to any chat. Auto attacked half the time (full soldiery drg + animus and as a sch and pld we were contributing more)

We eventually vote kicked them both for afk since... well standing around doing nothing when mobs are present (because the one they had targeted had died and they took an hour to change targets) is definitely considered being afk.

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

Is that all they get?

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I can't find the info that specifically said that it was 2 days, but that was the amount of time people were suspended for using bots on Turn 8 the first week.
Perma-bans get handed out for RMT related infractions, but players who fall to temptation get a slap on the wrist the first time.

Here's the SE link referencing it.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Hope you reported them as you benefitted from them cheating/hacking/botting/whatever they did:P Without reporting kinda made you an an accomplise. Similar to going into coil and someone hacks/whatever so they are invincible and can kill the boss. Then you roll on the loot, in your case you gained XP from others cheating in your party.

My advice if you see someone cheating/hacking in a dungeon is to report and get outa dodge so you don't get dragged down with them.

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Oh they were reported, it took a few minutes to see their names though.

I've heard from my FC mates of encountering heal bots, to which I commented "At least it isn't a tank bot, right?" to which they replied with "DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS!" Of course that was in half-serious jest.

Then I encountered, twice now, tanks (usually Marauders) with unusual behavior. And, so far, Copperbell. The other party members and I would comment and give the tank the benefit of the doubt of not being a bot, assume that they were very new to tanking and offer advise on how to improve their performance. One such example was the Marauder simply wasn't using Overpower. The healer and I suggested they use it, I even said to not be afraid to use it more than once, and if they needed us (referring to myself and the other DPS class) to hold back on attack for a couple of seconds. No response and they continued to progress poorly (and making the healer do more work than necessary). A little fed up, I asked the healer and DPS if they minded if I summoned my topaz carbuncle, they agreed and I ended up having my yellow carbie main tank the dungeon while the Marauder off-tanked. On that one boss where you need the bombs to break up the pudding, the tank kept kiting the pudding around and destroyed the bombs before they could go off. They continued to ignore our tips on how to beat the boss. Eventually the healer, other DPS and myself just stood off to the side and waited for the Marauder to get killed by the boss. After the Marauder was dead, we finished off the boss, the healer rezzed the Marauder and we progressed.

To this day I don't know if it was a bot, or someone using a botting program. So I didn't report it as I didn't know what to think. Sure, we managed to finish the dungeon no thanks to the tank but it left us perplexed and a bit frustrated.

But I suppose that if there is a will to tank-bot, then someone will find a way to tank-bot.

Yes, seen this so much. Had one today in Toto-Rak. They kept using shield bash and just concentrated on the one mob. They would occasionally cast Flash when we were running to the next pack. Made no attempt to pull threat from anyone. Was very annoying, eventually just had to Abandon Duty as we couldn't get past the second boss. Tried to interact with them, I even asked if they were human, no response. Not the first time I've experienced this... :P

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Originally Posted by Kanadiana

Oh they were reported, it took a few minutes to see their names though.

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Their names didn't show up in the party list?