Low level roulette?

so why can't queue up as groups of two in low level roulette like we can in high level and expert? This makes no sense at all so we can play end game stuff with who we want, but the leveling process we are forced to go at it alone or with random people Because SE doesn't think anyone wants to do dungeons with certain people? mostly a rage thread but this is a serious issue in imo

Party finder loves you

you cant use low level roulette in parties at all so how will party finder help? they just need to open low level roulettes to parties of 2 like high level and expert

Because you'd have 4 people exit/reenter till a primal.

why is everyone missing the GROUPS OF 2 part?

df roulette was originaly created to help people get dungeon parties faster. Since the high level dungeons don't see a lot of issues with queing allowing preformed parties to que for those doesn't hurt them. However when it comes to a low level roulette where some dps are waiting 40+ min(tagged for the dungeon you end up in) having a preformed party would/could have a large negative impact. You have to think also the person that qued for the actual dungeon, is not always queing alone, so to allow low lvl roulettes to have parties would even further hinder and block out and nullify the reason it exist. Which is to help new, and old leveling players who prefer to use/need to complete dungeons.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

why is everyone missing the GROUPS OF 2 part?

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Because the system that allows 2+ has to allow 4.

I thought roulette is if you want a random? And partying up is for non random? So if you go with a friend then you don't roulette?

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

I thought roulette is if you want a random?

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Roulette is if we want 100 myth (and don't want BF speedruns)

Grouping defeats the purpose of roulette. It is not meant for you to farm seals but to fill up new player parties.

It is upsetting that they even allowed grouping for the expert and high level.

OP, let me ask you, what do you think the primary purpose for Low Level Duty Roulette existing is?

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

OP, let me ask you, what do you think the primary purpose for Low Level Duty Roulette existing is?

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Exping.

Me and my GF re-rolled a new pg and we'r forced to do Low Level Roulette alone... when i'm a WAR and I enter fast... and she's BLM and she take like 15min to enter.... Low level roulette must be 1-3 man and block the 4man light party preformed, so if someone exping in group can join and exp fast.

I was more questioning myself, why they do not make it possible to que up with 4ppl in trial roulette.. mostly i end up with only 1 person who qued up for this trial because of relict.

Oh .. I knew it.

MAH GURLFREN AN AH WONNA PLEH TOGETTA, FIX TIS NAO


*commencing Pit Bull beat*

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Originally Posted by Momita

Exping.

Me and my GF re-rolled a new pg and we'r forced to do Low Level Roulette alone... when i'm a WAR and I enter fast... and she's BLM and she take like 15min to enter.... Low level roulette must be 1-3 man and block the 4man light party preformed, so if someone exping in group can join and exp fast.

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This right here so many times my main reason for making this thread, its making leveling take longer for the both of us cause one of us gets in the dungeon really fast and has to wait on the other one to get in and get out.... >.>
also im not this guys gf.. umm i mean this is the same thing i was thinking cause of me and my gf... umm yeah..

But those of us levelling alt classes aren't who the low roulette is for.

Low roulette exists so people will still be running the lowbie dungeons, to stop new players from having to wait forever just to get into Sastasha for the story quest.
Sure, maybe queueing with a group of two would be alright, but honestly I don't know how difficult that would be to implement without also allowing bigger parties access, which defeats the point.
High and Expert roulette are okay, as by the time you're high enough to do those dungeons you should have a network of people to help you clear them for the first time. My FC did this for someone the other day ^^

They should allow us to go in as a 2 player group for low level roulette I feel. The reasons for them not to allow full groups are quite compelling:
- Denies spots to people who are levelling up
- Denies spots to people who need the dungeon for books
- Denies spots to people running through the main quest

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Because you'd have 4 people exit/reenter till a primal.

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Your exit is a 30min lockout. The fact you avoid it queuing in party, is just an exploit of a bug. None can report you because none can know you have lockout, but it is an exploit anyway. The behavior you said I think is quite easy to figure by GMs, if someone does that and then one day he finds its account locked, he must be not surprised.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

Your exit is a 30min lockout. The fact you avoid it queuing in party, is just an exploit of a bug. None can report you because none can know you have lockout, but it is an exploit anyway. The behavior you said I think is quite easy to figure by GMs, if someone does that and then one day he finds its account locked, he must be not surprised.

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lockout doesnt happen with a full premade.

If you get lockout, you can bypass it just queuing in a party, no need to be a complete light party.

The exploit will take place if a full premade will be given rights to queue roulette, because roulette bonus.

I think it is fine being able to queue roulette with friends, but not with a complete party of them. A complete party can go anywhere and "queue" does not have any sense, so the reason it cannot (imho) queue on roulette. This also the reason they can leave with no penalty: none of them queued.

As alternative, making complete light party enjoy roulette bonus, will gives them the lockout penalty if they leave what roulette gave them. But, if a member have a lockout, the party cannot queue on roulette. This is important to avoid exploits.

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Originally Posted by stanrir

so why can't queue up as groups of two in low level roulette like we can in high level and expert? This makes no sense at all so we can play end game stuff with who we want, but the leveling process we are forced to go at it alone or with random people Because SE doesn't think anyone wants to do dungeons with certain people? mostly a rage thread but this is a serious issue in imo

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I guess they could lock commendations for full party who knows.

I find it weird also.

Though they probably don't wanna limit others who are searching for party's.

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Originally Posted by Momita

Me and my GF re-rolled a new pg and we'r forced to do Low Level Roulette alone...

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Originally Posted by stanrir

This right here so many times my main reason for making this thread, its making leveling take longer for the both of us cause one of us gets in the dungeon really fast and has to wait on the other one to get in and get out... >.>

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Sure SE forces you to do Low Level Roulette alone, but SE is not forcing you to do Duty Roulette in any way. If you're that concerned about leveling with someone else and not having exp gaps between each other, just make use of Duty Finder selecting the duties you may want to do.

People tend to forget 2 things mainly:
1. Roulette rewards are given just once a day.
2. You are not forced to maximize exp gainning every single time. Not getting roulette rewards (once more, 1 per day) won't bring any doom to your leveling sessions. On a side note, no one will /point at you laughing and shouting "Hahaha you fool not getting Roulette rewards, n00bz!!!!11!!!1!".

PS. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Grouping defeats the purpose of roulette. It is not meant for you to farm seals but to fill up new player parties.

It is upsetting that they even allowed grouping for the expert and high level.

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Sorry, some of us want to play with our friends and don't have four players to fill a light party...

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Originally Posted by Momita

Exping.

Me and my GF re-rolled a new pg and we'r forced to do Low Level Roulette alone... when i'm a WAR and I enter fast... and she's BLM and she take like 15min to enter.... Low level roulette must be 1-3 man and block the 4man light party preformed, so if someone exping in group can join and exp fast.

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For Exping you don't need low duty roulette.
The main purpose of low duty roulette is filling up the empty partymember slots in dungeons that not many queue for it to help to form a party faster.
If it allowed to form a 2 member party before enter low duty roulette, then it would need longer to fill up a party where only 1 member is still missing.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Sorry, some of us want to play with our friends and don't have four players to fill a light party...

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Communicate with your friends, fom a party and queue or a specific dungeon. Don't do roulette. You would still get access to the dungeon after the duty finder filled up the empty member slots.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Communicate with your friends, fom a party and queue or a specific dungeon. Don't do roulette.

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You can't "communicate" with your friends in dungeon.

I think people are missing the point of Duty Roulette. It to help low level people, and make que faster for DPS and to help out everyone. Especially the Low Level one they don't allow Pre made party because they want New Players to be help by other, to make que faster so they don't quit the game. It also help with Dungeon people never do anymore. Especially high people already max level that don't have a point to do those anymore.


If we all can do Premade Roulette, there will be no Roulette because people just do it with friends and pre made. Can you imagine how long it take for new player or DPS? Also, I enjoy doing Roulette especially the low level even though it take longer is more refreshing then those Speed Run one for a changed.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

You can't "communicate" with your friends in dungeon.

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Communicate with your friends before enter the dungeon. To discuss what dungeon you want to do.
Also, /say and /party works in dungeons

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Sorry, some of us want to play with our friends and don't have four players to fill a light party...

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Don't roulette then? Group together and queue for specific dungeons.
Like I mentioned, roulette is meant to fill parties not for you to farm your tomes/exp.
If you lock spots that newer players needs to advance in their story quest/gear farming and have NO intention of helping out the newer players (only care about your and your friend's roulette bonus) then you don't deserve the bonus.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

You can't "communicate" with your friends in dungeon.

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Last I checked, being in a dungeon does not prevent you to chat in /p /ls /fc

I wish they would open the low level roulette for premade groups. When somebody in my FC asks for help in a low level dungeon, not that many people answer them if they have their combat classes levelled to 50 already. If there was a 100 Myth reward, I am sure they would help more often.

And let's be honest, sometimes the low level dungeons take longer than the Level 50 ones because people in there are new to the dungeon. Yesterday I helped a mate from my FC and we spent mindnumbing 80 minutes in Temple of Quarn because the DD's did not understand the Death sentence mechanics from 1st boss although it was explained in detail and more than once.

WoW lets premade queue for daily dungeon runs this was one thing I do hate about the system on ff14. Me and my friend use low level to exp run for our other classes and we enjoy running dungeons together, Really is not cool that we have to not party.

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

I wish they would open the low level roulette for premade groups. When somebody in my FC asks for help in a low level dungeon, not that many people answer them if they have their combat classes levelled to 50 already. If there was a 100 Myth reward, I am sure they would help more often.

And let's be honest, sometimes the low level dungeons take longer than the Level 50 ones because people in there are new to the dungeon. Yesterday I helped a mate from my FC and we spent mindnumbing 80 minutes in Temple of Quarn because the DD's did not understand the Death sentence mechanics from 1st boss although it was explained in detail and more than once.

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As others have stated, the LL DR is to help newbies with dungeons they need. You get paid extra myth to put up with this. If you don't like it, find other ways of getting myth (or experience points in the case of folks with alts or those leveling sub classes). FC members should help each other cause that is what the FC is for, not because they are paid to.

The DR is in no way, shape, or form mandatory nor the only way to get into a dungeon.

Guess what OP, if you enter a dungeon with your gf as a tank and dps, you're probably going to enter right away AND you get to pick which dungeon you want to do! Bonus!!

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Originally Posted by Sadana

As others have stated, the LL DR is to help newbies with dungeons they need. You get paid extra myth to put up with this. If you don't like it, find other ways of getting myth (or experience points in the case of folks with alts or those leveling sub classes). FC members should help each other cause that is what the FC is for, not because they are paid to.

The DR is in no way, shape, or form mandatory nor the only way to get into a dungeon.

Guess what OP, if you enter a dungeon with your gf as a tank and dps, you're probably going to enter right away AND you get to pick which dungeon you want to do! Bonus!!

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Then they should make it to where if you are not level 50 then you can queue together. I see it as silly we cannot queue just to use it as a EXP device. The only reason I run it is for exp on a non level 50. I do not waste time using it as a myth source. It takes a whole run away from me and my friend using it to level alt classes.

Adding onto that though. I have a new friend who started playing who does not understand why I cannot queue up with her when she does the low level routette after she gets to 15. She is playing to play with me so she does not find it as enjoyable to not be able to queue up with me. Yes I get it is RANDOM. But I see it more as RANDOM in choice of dungeon. I would rather have low level duty roulette be able to party up than expert or high level. The option for the player should be there. We should not be gated just cause.

ITT: it's impossible to tag a low level DUNGEONS. they are all locked if you don't use the roulette.

the point of low lvl roulette is not for OMG awesome xp. It's to help low level players, largly dps, who wait over 40+ min ques for dungeons. IF you and you friend want to lvl don't use DR and unless you are both dps you have just decreased your wait time down to 5min for any dungeon. also you get to pick your dungeon. On DR you can get crappy dungeons that take forever and give very little xp compared to other dungeons. when you don't run dr you can pop right into whatever dungeon you want and maximize your time. So lets see if you are team up with a friend you are getting ques 15-30min faster then other people and the best dungeon for xp, Level 18 dungeons give around 200k from start to finish. while a lvl 30 one will give 300-400k xp. So the risk alone of getting a low level dungeon does not out way the advantage you get form not needing to use dr at all.

All I did was use facts and proof to make a point. This is required everywhere in the world. IF you don't like fact's thats your issue.
You ask a question you get an answer. You complain about the answer. People tell you 16 different reasons why what you want and reality don't match up, and provide proof. so you say stop, instead of providing a viable argument, or reason, or counteracting any ones points as to why not, all you say is, but I want it me me me. Everything you have said hurts people using ques solo, seeing as I have every job at 50 and I am more then aware of how much xp you get from dr, and none dr runs, as well as many other things. Every ranged dps had an average wait time of 30+min for dungeons at lvl 30+, on my server. every tank was instant, and healers at most 3min wait. What you are propositioning is to undue the point of DR to give you an advantage and screw over everyone who pdoes dungeons solo, which DR was created for. If you don't play with others you won't grown and learn. If you don't play with others you won't learn how to be social and you will end up in the same situation you are in.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

I'm right

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Group queuing should've been day 0 for all of them. Tossing around "but new players!" doesn't really help when you tell everyone to go make a premade rather than queue with 2 or 3. This isn't any different than the current reality of most of them having only 1 new player, 2 if you are lucky. Even in main scenario.

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Originally Posted by Hik0

ITT: it's impossible to tag a low level DUNGEONS. they are all locked if you don't use the roulette.

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Huh!?
This is a clear indicator on how people are that crazy focused on Duty Roulette and/or not willing to help low level mates.

PS. You may be joking, though... If that's the case, I clearly don't get the joke :D

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Originally Posted by Vallug

Adding onto that though. I have a new friend who started playing who does not understand why I cannot queue up with her when she does the low level routette after she gets to 15. She is playing to play with me so she does not find it as enjoyable to not be able to queue up with me. Yes I get it is RANDOM. But I see it more as RANDOM in choice of dungeon. I would rather have low level duty roulette be able to party up than expert or high level. The option for the player should be there. We should not be gated just cause.

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Actually your not gated just cause, the bonus reward is aimed at a specific person, just like drops come from specific dungeons. So are you gated from battlemage gear because you have now out leveled it and don't want to go back? No but you will have to take the xp/kill hit from being above the level for it. It not a tool for leveling as much as it is an incentive, similar to the bonus in dungeons instead of low-mid level fate grinding.

I'm saddened by the amount of people who won't run low level dungeons with their friends if they can't get the roulette bonus. What kind of friend are you?

You only get the roulette bonus once a day, and people who are leveling new characters may open up several new dungeons in a day while doing the story quest. Copperbell is almost literally one quest in the story after Tam Tara for example. So you'd help your friend with Tam Tara (assuming you get it by roulette), but when it comes to Copperbell you would refuse because you're not getting a bonus now? You wouldn't just party up and queue for it like normal? Because it's perfectly possible to form a party and just queue up for specific dungeons so that lower level people can level up.