T9: Is it possible to control who gets targeted for Stardust in P1?

First off some context:

All but me (the BRD) stack behind boss. We place meteors at 3:00, 5:00, 7:00 etc etc. Now for the question at hand. I have noticed that I can get the meteor to target me 100% (I think... read on) if one of two possible circumstances are met:

1) All PT is stacked on boss (inside her hit box???) (A similar control can be seen in T7 with Melusine in that if you have 3 ranged DPS as long as the extra ranged DPS stays in her hit box (mostly, obviously sometimes they have to move out of her hit box) they will not be targeted for Fireball)

2) I am the FURTHEST from her (basically almost touching wall)

My suspicion is its the latter circumstance. It can be messed up if someone is dodging or doesn't get back to boss in time for whatever reason but I am pretty sure this is an actual thing you can do for that first set of meteors.

So why mention this? Well for one I want to know if I am right and two its very good to know that you can keep meteors assigned to one person and rest of PT can focus on boss.

Thoughts? Comments? Testing? let me know.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

First off some context:

All but me (the BRD) stack behind boss. We place meteors at 3:00, 5:00, 7:00 etc etc. Now for the question at hand. I have noticed that I can get the meteor to target me 100% (I think... read on) if one of two possible circumstances are met:

1) All PT is stacked on boss (inside her hit box???) (A similar control can be seen in T7 with Melusine in that if you have 3 ranged DPS as long as the extra ranged DPS stays in her hit box (mostly, obviously sometimes they have to move out of her hit box) they will not be targeted for Fireball)

2) I am the FURTHEST from her (basically almost touching wall)

My suspicion is its the latter circumstance. It can be messed up if someone is dodging or doesn't get back to boss in time for whatever reason but I am pretty sure this is an actual thing you can do for that first set of meteors.

So why mention this? Well for one I want to know if I am right and two its very good to know that you can keep meteors assigned to one person and rest of PT can focus on boss.

Thoughts? Comments? Testing? let me know.

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I can debunk this. We go in with two tanks, 1 melee, and 3 ranged DPS. I've seen everyone get the meteor with everyone spread out. The only person who can't get the meteor is the person currently tanking to my knowledge.

I think you you have misunderstood the context. All but me (the BRD) are stacked behind boss. I am the only one at range. If this arrangement of position is maintained it appears I can get meteor to target me every time. (1st set of meteors only)

I have experienced this on multiple occasions not just a one off and time and time again the meteor will target me if the aforementioned positions are maintained. So my thoughts are its ridiculous good luck that it targets me every time or this is an actual thing.

Also I still don't know which of the 2 circumstances I have outlined in my OP that controls this.

Its possible, T7 seems to have a similar ruling for who gets cursed voice based on distance from the boss. When my group was learning the fight, I could go to the same spot (and teammates go to roughly the same spots) every pull and go several pulls without getting a cursed voice while in those positions. But that could just be me only seeing what I wanted to see when I first noticed this.

All I know is that I rarely ever get it (DRG) and was curious if that was just RNG or if there was something affecting it.

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Originally Posted by mero-ix

All I know is that I rarely ever get it (DRG) and was curious if that was just RNG or if there was something affecting it.

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Possibly your not getting targeted because being her hit box is part of the equation? idk

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Originally Posted by Gamex

I think you you have misunderstood the context. All but me (the BRD) are stacked behind boss. I am the only one at range. If this arrangement of position is maintained it appears I can get meteor to target me every time. (1st set of meteors only)

I have experienced this on multiple occasions not just a one off and time and time again the meteor will target me if the aforementioned positions are maintained. So my thoughts are its ridiculous good luck that it targets me every time or this is an actual thing.

Also I still don't know which of the 2 circumstances I have outlined in my OP that controls this.

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I'll continue to discuss this. It definitely can't be #2, because as I mentioned, we are all spread out, and I am closer to the middle of the room to keep FR running, and I get the meteor as well, when the ranged are all behind me. So that gets rid of #2. If your theory was correct, then the only other person who could get the meteor in your scenario is the tank when they are dropping off their "bomb" (not sure what it's called because I don't tank). I'm not sure I would want to do this strategy anyways between the "swoops" she does as well as the red beam attack could get messy if people aren't on point with coordination, but I agree that it potentially could be viable.

Ah yes I see what your saying. Ok to clarify context a little more. We have boss in dead center of arena for P1, P2 so all PT is stacked behind her there and I am the only one at range.

When I think about it the more I am convinced that it is the same rule that applies to Melusines Fireball if you are using a DPS that is extra range type e.g. BLM. So long as that range DPS remain in her hit box they can not be targeted for Fireball.

However in the case of Nel Deus Darnus it applies as long as all but one person is in her hit box. The player outside her hit box and @ X range will be Stardust target.

Melusine will prioritize ranged targets farther from her (will ignore those within melee range if applicable), which is how you make her more managable with 3-ranged setups.

As for meteors from Nael, in all my runs, feels completely random. Had a run already where the OT got picked for all 4 meteors. Wouldn't be that much of a DPS benefit if you could control them anyways.

i'm a monk and i get stardust marks from time to time. same goes for our offtank as well. i think it's random.

for t7 though, iirc fireballs only target ranged DPS classes (or just ranged, idk i'm facing melusine 90% of the time), regardless of their position. not sure if i saw a healer class get targeted by fireball.

Our Drg, War as OT alway get stardust'ed.

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Originally Posted by Chokee

i'm a monk and i get stardust marks from time to time. same goes for our offtank as well. i think it's random.

for t7 though, iirc fireballs only target ranged DPS classes (or just ranged, idk i'm facing melusine 90% of the time), regardless of their position. not sure if i saw a healer class get targeted by fireball.

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Circle of Flames will always target rDPS first. Say if your party has only 2 rDPS and one is dead before she readies Circle of Flames, the surviving rDPS will take one flame and one of the healers will take the other flame.

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Originally Posted by Chokee

i'm a monk and i get stardust marks from time to time. same goes for our offtank as well. i think it's random.

for t7 though, iirc fireballs only target ranged DPS classes (or just ranged, idk i'm facing melusine 90% of the time), regardless of their position. not sure if i saw a healer class get targeted by fireball.

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Healer will get targeted if a ranged goes down.

To replicate this situation for testing you would need to apply the circumstances I have outlined. Have all DPS stacked on Nel and only one player @ range (BRD is best, mobility etc etc). Many of you reading this must also realise I have replicated this many times I am just not 100% sure XD

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Melusine will prioritize ranged targets farther from her (will ignore those within melee range if applicable), which is how you make her more managable with 3-ranged setups.

As for meteors from Nael, in all my runs, feels completely random. Had a run already where the OT got picked for all 4 meteors. Wouldn't be that much of a DPS benefit if you could control them anyways.

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The benefit is that it gives you total control which is nice in such a chaotic fight and you can get Nel to 65% with only 5 meteors up (im sure people are doing this anyway) which in turn facilitates a smoother first round of Golems.

I replicated this again this evening and to elaborate on benefits Nel was at 65% with only four meteors up.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

Healer will get targeted if a ranged goes down.

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Offtank is also a viable choice for her if there is 1 or less ranged DPS alive.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

I replicated this again this evening and to elaborate on benefits Nel was at 65% with only four meteors up.

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how is that a benefit? that is every pull regardless for a decent group.

It seems like it's entirely random. I've seen our WHM, who stands in the same spot everytime, get no meteors one attempt to getting 4 in a row the next in Phase 1. I don't feel like there's anyway to control it.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

Possibly your not getting targeted because being her hit box is part of the equation? idk

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As MNK it's totally random, some clears I hardly get targetted for voice, other time i'll get targetted often, even shrieked. Maybe theres a smaller chance based on position.

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Originally Posted by Gamex

The benefit is that it gives you total control which is nice in such a chaotic fight and you can get Nel to 65% with only 5 meteors up (im sure people are doing this anyway) which in turn facilitates a smoother first round of Golems.

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A little more control for just the first phase, which is the easier part of the fight.

Placing meteors isn't a problem anyhow, so one DPS losing a GCDs to it isn't going to break things. My group parks Nael on the NW end of the glyph which gives our melee/OT two nearby spots to dump the meteors to with how we place them.

even at melee range you can get stardust markers, as I've seen the melees get them, it's pretty random.

do you mind posting a video on how you are doing this to get 100% stardust on yourself?

sidenote i have noticed that the green meteor marker never goes onto the healers
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Originally Posted by Dano

do you mind posting a video on how you are doing this to get 100% stardust on yourself?

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Yeah I plan to try and get a video together once I can repeat this with 100% success. I think most readers find this possibility irrelevant anyhow and I can see why. I am merely doing this to highlight that it can be done.

May also not be related to the mob at all but the total distance of 1 player compared to all the other players in t9. They demonstrate the ability to track this in t6 in the set of chains that tethers 1 player to 4 others. I suspect it is person with the greatest combined distance from everyone else that gets the rock. If that were the case it would also make lunar dynamo a more interesting mechanic outside of the doughnut of doom most of us simply treat it as.

Side note meteor has been on our healers with all players alive multiple times.