I suppose it's impossible to...

I suppose it's impossible to make sweeping changes to the game like 1.18 did, and not have a handful of people complaining about said changes; saying they were lied to; threatening to quit; actually quitting and/or saying this is the end of FFXIV.

Remember, SE's never going to please everyone, every time. Take said rantings with a grain of salt, people. I assure you, Yoshida does.

For those of you who are able to see what the bigger picture probably is and are still upset by some of these changes, repeat this mantra to yourself...

It's only the beginning of the changes to a game that's being remade for a re-launch. tweaks and adjustments will be made. SE's proven they're willing to listen to reasonable, constructive feedback.

+1 good sir

I would be less upset if I wasn't told in Letter from Producer XIV ranking up would remain the same and then find out it's far slower.

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I would be less upset if I wasn't told in Letter from Producer XIV ranking up would remain the same and then find out it's far slower.

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You could keep this in your original thread so we can keep this one on topic. That would be nice :D

Also +1 OP

What exactly is the topic of this one?

You going to have a deep, philosophical conversation about the nature of consumerism?

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Originally Posted by Shai

What exactly is the topic of this one?

You going to have a deep, philosophical conversation about the nature of consumerism?

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Wow you sure are smarmy!

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Originally Posted by Shai

What exactly is the topic of this one?

You going to have a deep, philosophical conversation about the nature of consumerism?

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If you need it explained to you...

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

I suppose it's impossible to make sweeping changes to the game like 1.18 did, and not have a handful of people complaining about said changes; saying they were lied to; threatening to quit; actually quitting and/or saying this is the end of FFXIV.

Remember, SE's never going to please everyone, every time. Take said rantings with a grain of salt, people. I assure you, Yoshida does.

For those of you who are able to see what the bigger picture probably is and are still upset by some of these changes, repeat this mantra to yourself...

It's only the beginning of the changes to a game that's being remade for a re-launch. tweaks and adjustments will be made. SE's proven they're willing to listen to reasonable, constructive feedback.

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That is the attitude we all need. +1

I agree.

There's quite a few things that I dislike about the patch, but that's to be expected. How many MMOs have you played where everyone loved every single adjustment made throughout its lifetime? I bet you couldn't name a single one. MMOs change, constantly. Many of those changes are going to be nerfs or inconveniences. Either deal with it or play another genre. Just keep in mind that even the things that were nerfed now will inevitably be adjusted again and again as time goes on in an effort to balance the game.

I have to admit. I was just about ready to call it quits on the game until this patch came out. I haven't played in about 2 or 3 months for various reason, which I'm sure many others share. I was convinced that 1.18 would be "just another fail patch" and that there would be no real progress. However, I'm happy to say that SE, Yoshida, and the Dev. team finally "get it."

I love the challenge we're met with in the new r50 dungeon. The r30 dungeon's difficulty also seems to be OK~ for it's level. I'm happy to see real strategies and teamwork required for progression.

I also took some time today before our dungeon runs to solo Kokoroon Quickfingers a few times on PUG and even that was fun as hell. The auto attack just felt natural, MP management played a big role, it felt like a REAL FF fight. It wasn't just mindless button mashing.

If this is just the beginning of what's to come, I might just stick around for the long haul.

Sure, maybe MP costs are a bit too high (I personally don't think it's that bad,) the AA system seems clunky and hard to get used to, PUG's Light Strike is absolutely useless now, etc, etc. But I'm well aware that this is just the beginning and that things will improve as time goes on. And with those improvements will likely come more nerfs, then more improvements, and more nerfs, and, well you get the picture.

Over all, I think 1.18 is a huge success in terms of reforming the foundation of the game. I can't wait to see what's on the horizon.

Great topic. Good stuff. I agree OP. A house needs a foundation before it can be built. So does a game. They are getting ever closer to finishing off that foundation. :)

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I agree.

There's quite a few things that I dislike about the patch, but that's to be expected. How many MMOs have you played where everyone loved every single adjustment made throughout its lifetime? I bet you couldn't name a single one. MMOs change, constantly. Many of those changes are going to be nerfs or inconveniences. Either deal with it or play another genre. Just keep in mind that even the things that were nerfed now will inevitably be adjusted again and again as time goes on in an effort to balance the game.

I have to admit. I was just about ready to call it quits on the game until this patch came out. I haven't played in about 2 or 3 months for various reason, which I'm sure many others share. I was convinced that 1.18 would be "just another fail patch" and that there would be no real progress. However, I'm happy to say that SE, Yoshida, and the Dev. team finally "get it."

I love the challenge we're met with in the new r50 dungeon. The r30 dungeon's difficulty also seems to be OK~ for it's level. I'm happy to see real strategies and teamwork required for progression.

I also took some time today before our dungeon runs to solo Kokoroon Quickfingers a few times on PUG and even that was fun as hell. The auto attack just felt natural, MP management played a big role, it felt like a REAL FF fight. It wasn't just mindless button mashing.

If this is just the beginning of what's to come, I might just stick around for the long haul.

Sure, maybe MP costs are a bit too high (I personally don't think it's that bad,) the AA system seems clunky and hard to get used to, PUG's Light Strike is absolutely useless now, etc, etc. But I'm well aware that this is just the beginning and that things will improve as time goes on. And with those improvements will likely come more nerfs, then more improvements, and more nerfs, and, well you get the picture.

Over all, I think 1.18 is a huge success in terms of reforming the foundation of the game. I can't wait to see what's on the horizon.

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Exactly, we need to look beyond the parts that we don't like about the patch.

The concrete slab is down. Now they can actually build the walls and put a roof on.

I see the changes setting up what is needed for a major confrontation between city states, beast tribes and Garlemald. I see the foundations of a combat system that will create a fun environment for dedicated party jobs rather than for all-purpose soloists.

And I like it.

Game Design 101: You can't make everyone happy.

No matter the change there will always be a group of people unhappy with the changes you made, people in general dislike change.

Rule of thumb: If the complaints are in the minority, mission has been accomplished you have please more than you have enraged.

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Game Design 101: You can't make everyone happy.

No matter the change there will always be a group of people unhappy with the changes you made, people in general dislike change.

Rule of thumb: If the complaints are in the minority, mission has been accomplished you have please more than you have enraged.

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Exactly. They'll tweak and adjust things as needed, but the patch is a large success IMO. And again, it's just the foundation as has been said over and over.

I find it interesting the change in tone of the forum since the release of the patch.

First few hours: Everyone freaking out about what the patch is and isn't while it is downloading
First day or two: All the usual trolls spam complaint threads while all the people SE actually wants to hear from, the people actually playing the game are off exploring the patch.
After that: The actual playerbase gets ahold of the forums again and starts making constructive posts like this thread.

Now we can finally begin to give the devs our opinions on how to adjust the overall positive changes they've made without it being drowned out by "omg im quitting" threads.

+1 to OP.

This patch was a major success. It brought players back and the majority of people are having a fun time.

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

I suppose it's impossible to make sweeping changes to the game like 1.18 did, and not have a handful of people complaining about said changes; saying they were lied to; threatening to quit; actually quitting and/or saying this is the end of FFXIV.

Remember, SE's never going to please everyone, every time. Take said rantings with a grain of salt, people. I assure you, Yoshida does.

For those of you who are able to see what the bigger picture probably is and are still upset by some of these changes, repeat this mantra to yourself...

It's only the beginning of the changes to a game that's being remade for a re-launch. tweaks and adjustments will be made. SE's proven they're willing to listen to reasonable, constructive feedback.

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Yes, you are right but.

We feel cheated. Tell me where it was said that we would get nerfed like that? All classes, game made party only?

All the posts yoshi posted, saying what will change, sounded wonderful , companies, auto attack, etc. But none stated that either you party or gtfo. That's the problem. If that patch note was released a month ago, in details, I bet you that all this feedback would have prevented them to release a patch like that. All broken. I never even posted any complain till now, because the game was working wonders for what it was proposed first. Being solo friendly. You can get all a big clan get, if you work hard. Now, they tried to fix the later, clans and parties which I agree could have more content for them, challenge etc, fucking the rest which is unacceptable. Yes, people will quit, simply because they paid for something and are getting the boot now. If they didn't change the leves's sp and mp usage, and added the extra content like those min 4-8 party , everyone would be happy. Now, it's their problem to deal with it. If they want this game to be possible party only, then I guess they better cut 70% of the servers to 3-5 max and let the clans be happy. Lots of players will move on.

I hope the team at least pays attention to the fact that their current fight mechanics still don't promot a "balanced party" (hopefully I won't have to explain that one...)

it was only the beginning half a year ago, its still only the beginning, and in a year from now people will still be saying "don't worry, this is only the beginning".....

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it was only the beginning half a year ago, its still only the beginning, and in a year from now people will still be saying "don't worry, this is only the beginning".....

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The thing about people is.... they suck.

I agree mostly with the OP, there are going to be some adjusting i'm sure, but this patch imo is a big step in the right direction. We'll see what further changes will be done in 1.19.

The thing I think people don't understand the most is that there will always be problems, bugs, and imbalances with new updates. Which is fine because it's the nature of the beast. The real problem comes into play if those problems, bugs, and imbalances are not recognized enough to warrant adjustments (such as some FFXI job imbalances that were around for-freakin'-ever). Like if Yoshida comes out and says something like, "Running through fences and DoL classes being eaten alive aren't issues and will not be changed," THEN there is a problem.

But fret not, I would place my bets that some fixes are in the works already. It's trial by fire with no public test servers.

A relaunch is not going to happen if the patches continue to have drastic negativity because they are relying on reputation and US inviting our old friends.

And I garauntee you people here will tell their friends to avoid XIV like the black-plague, because I do.

If a game continues to receive a negative reputation there will be no flipping relaunch to look forward to.

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

I suppose it's impossible to make sweeping changes to the game like 1.18 did, and not have a handful of people complaining about said changes; saying they were lied to; threatening to quit; actually quitting and/or saying this is the end of FFXIV.

Remember, SE's never going to please everyone, every time. Take said rantings with a grain of salt, people. I assure you, Yoshida does.

For those of you who are able to see what the bigger picture probably is and are still upset by some of these changes, repeat this mantra to yourself...

It's only the beginning of the changes to a game that's being remade for a re-launch. tweaks and adjustments will be made. SE's proven they're willing to listen to reasonable, constructive feedback.

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my problem is, you are assuming everything is going to be great and they know all the issues problems, and how people will actually play the stuff they designed.

Based on past history with ffxi, and this game, i do not think this is the case, i think they need feedback, and they need people telling them how people are dealing with the changes they made. While i believe some of them were anticipated, i feel many probably arent.

So essentially, being quiet and hoping for the best and ignoring whatever flaws, hoping they know what you are thinking in your head is pointless. Give them real feedback that they can use, and see what people are thinking so they can make changes with these issues in mind.

basic skill timers currently make no sense at all, for every class they made them basically into weaker weapon skills on a longer timer. and they are not even particularly useful or cool looking WS at that. I really dont see how that change will synergize with anything else, and make sense with long term plans, it needs to be reexamined.