Good day all,
So I'm looking for some advice pertaining to the substats listed in the subject. I'm gearing my tank based on a BiS list I found online, and so far I like the results. My issue is, I've noticed that as I build accuracy and parry, I lose Det. I guess my real question is, what is a safe/preferable determination stat for a warrior to have? I know Acc. Cap is most important, and I like having lots of parry, but I don't want to be too low on det either.
WAR: ACC &Parry vs DET.
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06-26-2014, 11:50 PMXzaviyrVLWAR: ACC &Parry vs DET.
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06-27-2014, 12:35 AMDonjo
The current numbers are stating that every 3.3 Det is equal to 1 Strength when it comes to how hard you hit, I believe. If you're looking to be a Tanky Tank, Det isn't vitally important unless you're not doing enough damage to hold threat against your party members.
If you're maximizing survival: Vit > Str > Parry > Det
If you're looking to deal a little extra damage: Vit > Str > Crit/Det > Parry
If you want to sacrifice mitigation for maximum damage: Str > Vit > Crit/Det > Parry
As for a precise amount of Det you want, there's no right answer for that. Just sacrifice whatever amount of Parry you're comfortable with losing for it if you want it higher. -
06-27-2014, 12:51 AMXzaviyrVL
Now that you put it like that, I don't really have too much trouble keeping hate. Occasionally on like a massive brayflox pull there will be a stray add that I can grab back with no issue. And since yeah I do prefer a Tanky tank I guess I'll just stay with my Parry build and leave my dps stats to my monk lol.
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06-27-2014, 02:07 AMRbstrThe mitigation of the latter spec is actually better than the former, although not by much. Vit is not mitigation, just HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donjo
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06-27-2014, 02:44 AMDonjoMaximizing Strength will increase the percentage of damage reduced by a block or parry by 1, perhaps 2%. Given that this is for a Warrior, it only applies when an attack is actually parried, which a max strength build minimizes the chance of. Thus, I'd argue that overall mitigation is actually reduced if Str is pursued above all else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rbstr
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06-27-2014, 03:42 AMMakado
Im Warrior and just do all DPS gear. Its getting to the point where you basically have enough health to be fine as long as your healers and your cooldown use is on point for every fight, except maybe main tank T9, but I play through it with all DPS gear anyways and still live through Favors. Maybe not Ravensbeaks though. Anyways parry doesnt really seem to important with a good group. Just have it on stuff where it happens to be included in my opinion.
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06-27-2014, 05:15 AMJonBigwood
I am a PLD but looking at the stats of Bravura Animus compared with Curtana+Holy Shield Animus:
Bravura has the same main stats (42 VIT and 37 STR) but 40 parry and 28 Skill Speed (68 points) while
Curtana+Shield have same main stats plus 32 Parry, 29 Accuracy and 8 Skill Speed (69 points)
Seeing that the Weathered Noct and Noct and High Allagan gear is common for both jobs, I observe that Bravura Atma and Animus give Parry and Skill Speed while the Curtana+Shield give Accuracy and Parry and a bit of Skill Speed.
Might it be that Parry and Skill Speed are more convenient for the WAR while Accuracy and Parry are more convenient for the PLD, with a bit of Skill Speed?
What I imply is that the stats for the Atma and Animus weapons probably have been established looking for a good balanced performance for both jobs, so going completely away from that initial stats may not be the ideal option. I don't know, it's just a thought.
A tiny bit better for WAR the upgrade, they get +7 secondary stat points while PLD has only+6 points (with the advantage of having 2 separate gears you don't have to wear necessarily together.) -
06-28-2014, 01:00 AMXzaviyrVL
Thanks for that, I really only stack accuracy to meet the cap for the current content I'm in. Seeing as to how I'm at Coil 1 turn 5 my accuracy cap is about 489, and I'm sitting at 492. The issue I'm facing is as I build toward the 577 parry my BiS list reflects, I lose determination. I'm also still in the process of obtaining the gear, and I've swapped out some pieces for their seemingly similar, higher iLvl counter parts.
Eg: warriors curiass--> weathered noct loria
Heros ring of fending --> weathered noct ring
Warriors Breeches --> weathered noct(pants)[-24 determination +14 parry] -
06-28-2014, 01:16 AMValkoria
Honestly it doesn't really matter. Get whatever gives you the most HP.
I solo tank all of ScoB and I wear full crit/det gear while retaining accuracy cap, I did just over 200 Dps on most fights prior to getting my high allagan axe. It's just my personal preference to make fights shorter or help burst adds, plus parry scales extremely poorly; I'd rather deal 50 extra dps than take 2% less damage.
But all in all, there's honestly not that big a difference between full parry and not when it comes to mitigation, You can find out more information on Dancing Mad about parry scaling I believe.
tldr; wear whatever gives you more health, don't focus parry, your damage actually does matter. -
06-28-2014, 07:12 AMSirTaintQuote:
Originally Posted by Valkoria
Det/crit gear vs parry gear (same dmg rating and str) is nowhere close to 50dps. :p
Secondaries are secondaries and they all scale poorly.
Server are serious question how are you handling the 8 stacks solo tanking t6? I\\'ve only tried it once and it didn\\'t go well. It\\'s the only turn that doesn\\'t seem solo tank able. -
06-28-2014, 12:07 PMdspguyI second that. WAR isn't like WHM where determination is the hands-down must-have stat and if you stack enough of it, it makes "some" difference. If you are at the accuracy cap (hint: try to get accuracy), after that, it doesn't matter. Really. If anything, go with accuracy if only because the NEXT tier of gear, you may wind up short on accuracy somewhere. There is nothing worse than missing. Really. Missing is bad enough, even if you are paying attention and then re-apply the missed ability. But imagine if you miss Heavy Swing and don't realize it. Then you are doing the next two abilities without hate stacks and without the added potency and added enmity. Waste.Quote:
Secondaries are secondaries and they all scale poorly.
On my Novus, I'm going Parry/Accuracy. On one hand, right NOW, I'd be well above the accuracy cap on today's content. But, come patch 2.3, who knows.
Anecdote: I ran a lot of tests on my MNK in the first 5 turns of coil. I had i70 gear focused on skill speed, another with crit and another with determination. I never saw any real difference between one stat over the other. My only issue with skill speed I saw is that the lesser global cooldown is moot anytime you wind up backing up for an AOE and not being in range for hitting the mob in time (waste of skill speed). Outside of that, I didn't see any remarkable difference between crafted i70 gear with focused melds vs darklight (essentially, lesser gear so no materia, but same str).
Personally, I feel like I can extrapolate that to my warrior. My first priority is keeping hate. Maybe determination would help a "little bit" since I'd have a little more damage on auto-attacks, but I don't have a hate problem. Parry seems to be the only one that logically makes any sense. I never tested it though (no point putting parry on MNK when I was testing). So my philosophy is... secondary stats don't matter. The effects are negligible and player skill and knowing the fight trumps secondary attributes. All things held equal, it seems like a lucky crit in one fight would probably outweigh a secondary stat. -
06-30-2014, 10:18 PMXzaviyrVLThanks for the info! I pulled you up on Lodestone to get an idea of what you were running for gear. After looking at it and comparing our secondary stats I see what you mean. Your STR, VIT, and ACC far outnumber mine, while our other secondaries are closer. Which to me means I should start focusing on those first 3 stats again since my parry and det should be fine as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkoria