Someone more knowledgeable offer some enlightenment, please?

Why in Zeus's gaping butthole are we still dealing with Coil lockouts?!?

This system invariably forces players into "Static" groups, which I personally despise to no end, and utterly destroys FCs who's players don't always have set availability and schedules.

Here's the situation we have been battling with since the start of Coil. We have a small FC of close friends, about 12 highly active players. Each week only 8 of those 12 get to run 2nd Coil. The others... well... yeah.

So we're forced to either recruit, which is nigh-impossible since this system has already forced most players into a Static, or cycle players in which means you're always going to have players who are screwed out of running Coil for a week unless they run off and join their own Static which, imo MAKES FC'S POINTLESS!

...grrr...

-Balls

1. To stretch out content. If not for a lock out, people would get full sets of gear + alt gear in less than a month. Due to getting so much gear, they'd also rapidly progress through second coil, making it nearly pointless within a few months time. They'd quickly grow more tired of the game. It's mainly a artificial barrier of progress.

2. People would sell runs.


If you're talking about making it like how CT gear used to be, one gear per week lockout instead, that would also do the same as number 1. on the list. You'd fully gear out a character within 8-9 weeks, faster if you count oils / sands. People would also sell runs in this instance.

You nailed it with your #2. Number 1 is easy to combat. Could use a system like CT, only limit it even more so that your one and only chance to roll on gear for the week is your first kill. After that you are locked out of rolling. Problem = solved.

But... selling runs. Yeah.

-Balls

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Originally Posted by Neclinesh

You nailed it with your #2. Number 1 is easy to combat. Could use a system like CT, only limit it even more so that your one and only chance to roll on gear for the week is your first kill. After that you are locked out of rolling. Problem = solved.

But... selling runs. Yeah.

-Balls

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You posted just before my edit. Even in CT status, people would still fully gear out with coil in 8ish weeks. Even with your proposed lockout, then it would definitely just be ran to carry people / sell runs.

Yeah, you'd have to further limit it so that you're locked out of rolling on loot after your first boss kill of the week, whether you win or lose on that loot roll. That way each week you are still only allowed to roll on exactly 2 pieces of gear, even if you run it 100 times. CT lets you roll until you win one. That would definitely not work to limit Coil gear.

-Balls

So, it still leads to the problem that people will still sell runs. "Oh, we're all locked for the week? Let's sell one spot until the buyer gets something or gets locked".

An overall poor plan. I think the lockouts will be fine once there are more end-game dungeons to run regularly. It's because there is only one raid to run that lockouts are even still talked about.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

So, it still leads to the problem that people will still sell runs. "Oh, we're all locked for the week? Let's sell one spot until the buyer gets something or gets locked".

An overall poor plan. I think the lockouts will be fine once there are more end-game dungeons to run regularly. It's because there is only one raid to run that lockouts are even still talked about.

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Wouldn't hold my breath, every 6 months they obsolete the current tier and replace it with a new tier. Unless they change their road map this will still be a problem. Even this new Brutal version they are talking about shares the lockout with the "normal" we have now.

I hate the whole static group/lockout format of Coil as well, and wish it was more like CT where it only locked you out of the loot instead of complete access of the dungeon itself. Too many times have I seen "Oh, *insert person here* can't make it tonight, guess we aren't running it this week," or "*Insert person here* stopped playing, now we have to find someone else or rearrange one of our other static groups." It's extremely inconvenient.

And as far as merc-ing goes... I don't know why that's not illegal in the first place. It just seems like it would create too much opportunity for exploiting people, and it creates a more elitist environment. "Oh, you can't beat Titan EX? Better farm up that million gil, noob," etc... What happened to just being able to help people?

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Originally Posted by Tetsaru

I hate the whole static group/lockout format of Coil as well, and wish it was more like CT where it only locked you out of the loot instead of complete access of the dungeon itself. ... It's extremely inconvenient.

And as far as merc-ing goes... I don't know why that's not illegal in the first place.

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If you remove this, you just open up the run-selling market.

jc

you do realize other MMOs to have weekly lockouts on Endgame Raids?

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

If you remove this, you just open up the run-selling market.

jc

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You know people will sell anything to get more gill , even titan HM which is an old content I see some groups sell it in pf .

Crafters and gathers can make more gil by gather/craft , so what experience players do ? They sell runs , not saying all but most who have 7 good players to get the job done .

You think everyone will keep buying coil every week to get his/her loots ? So what if this person gona waste all his gil on that ! Then be it , I think whoever will buy it will be one time like t5 these days .

Most of us cant play with their friends cuz of coil so they forced to leave fc , servers to find a static or a good pug parties and thats sad whwn its seem the game is all about coil .
Why not try it and see , I think SE can make it work .

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

1. To stretch out content. If not for a lock out, people would get full sets of gear + alt gear in less than a month. Due to getting so much gear, they'd also rapidly progress through second coil, making it nearly pointless within a few months time. They'd quickly grow more tired of the game. It's mainly a artificial barrier of progress.

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An alternative could be something like the expert dungeons or the 1.0 dungeons, where the chance is high to get also something else than gear from the chests.
Example:
5% chance for allagan gear
45% chance for some green gear
50% chance for dark matter 5

I agree with you, the system lockout have to be the worst system in MMORPG. I can't even bring in friends to do Coil because of lockout, can't help friends. Even having Static is not a garantee, no one ever want to be left behind so you can't bring another friend along or replace people who are bad because no one want to be left behind.

They said the reason they want to add the Coil Lockout is that they don't want too many drop to come in the game at once because people farm it. This is a poor excused. It punish people play with friends, FC become useless, they have 8 Static and will only do it with their Static, etc. They shouldn't use the lockout system. Just make the drop rared, no Garantee drop. This ways people can play the game with friends and FC without punish them.

I wish they would make the drop rare too. I think they said in an interview before that they couldn't do that because it would lock out 'casual' players because they wouldn't have the time to run coil over and over until their item drops. Honesty much rather have it rare then this lock out garbage though.