Crystal Tower loot problems

My friend has been doing Crystal Tower ever since he hit lv50 a week ago and he's only got one piece of gear in that whole time. The problem he runs into is if he's the only one (Black Mage) no Crimson gear will drop or he'll get put into a group with ppl who have lv 90-100 gear and still roll "Need" and win and the last one I'm sure is just random, but he always has really low rolls. I mean he'll roll 2s and 3s. I know your personal inventory is checked, but I think they should check beyond that. Taking something that a lower geared person could use is not cool and I know if I see someone doing that, they're getting kicked.

gl with that

People are in CT for many reasons. They are entitled to roll "need" no matter how geared they are. Be glad you can't turn in CT gear for seals. Kicking someone for something that you think isn't "cool", but that they are perfectly entitled to do, is probably not a smart idea. If you want to guarantee some drops, make a group of 8 friends and queue up together.

Honestly, while you may not think it's cool or fair, it's perfectly fine for people to need on gear for their role, even if its just for vanity reasons. And for you to kick them because of that is actually improper use of the vote kick feature, which is against terms of service.

Or people could not be selfish and let lower levels get their gear as well. If you want to vanity something, make sure another person doesn't need that item. I don't care if I wanted this item for vanity and I've been chasing it for a long time. If someone needs it, i'm passing it.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Or people could not be selfish and let lower levels get their gear as well. If you want to vanity something, make sure another person doesn't need that item. I don't care if I wanted this item for vanity and I've been chasing it for a long time. If someone needs it, i'm passing it.

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Thats you, but that may not be me.

we both pay to play this game and our reasons playing are most certainly not the same. who is in the wrong now?

You for trying to kick someone that fairly participated in your fight and won the roll.

Or me being a transmog collector who constantly spends their day running unneeded content over and over again to use a feature square added to the game, and which many many many people enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Djarums

Thats you, but that may not be me.

we both pay to play this game and our reasons playing are most certainly not the same. who is in the wrong now?

You for trying to kick someone that fairly participated in your fight and won the roll.

Or me being a transmog collector who constantly spends their day running unneeded content over and over again to use a feature square added to the game, and which many many many people enjoy.

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Did I say anything about kicking the person? No, I did not. Sometimes it's nice to put others before yourself. Especially if it's something that a person actually needs as compared to you just wanting it for looks. I've ran dungeons a lot of times for one item. I finally seen it appear, but I gave it up because someone actually needed it. I'm sorry if I'm not a selfish person unlike many others.

Honesltly, I hope you're not insinuating that I'm selfish.

Once in Levi EX, I greeded the bard bow (the only Levi weapon I have is the scholar book). One other person (the person who had formed the party as a FARMING party) also greeded the bard bow. Everyone else passed.

They started crying that they really needed the bow because that was the very last Levi weapon they needed. Being a nice person, I left the instance so they could win it. Turns out as soon as they won it, they left their own farming party immediately (after one run).

So, again, who exactly are you calling selfish? Because, unfortunatly, that quickly taught me being nice to people gets you nowhere sometime.

I'm talking to any of y'all that think your reason for wanting something in a game is better then someone else's reasoning. You can be nice and pass if you want that is your prerogative but if someone try's to make someone else feel bad over a video game item for their own gain then they are just as bad as there person they are accusing.

LVL50 and need gear?

Craft it yourself.
Buy it off the AH.
Join a respectable FC that provides their members.
Make your own CT group in Party finder and make your own loot terms.
Or roll the dice along with the other 7 people in your randomly selected duty finder raid.

I wasn't referring to you (if your latest post was directed at me), I was speaking to Seoulstar.

1. Create a CT Party in PF
2. Do not allow casters to join
3. Profit

Seriously just because you are a fresh 50 does not entitle you to the gear, those lv 90-100 are also there doing their part and have every right to roll need for whatever reason.

I am one of those still trying to complete my CT set. I am there doing my part and deserve to roll need as much as the new 50.

If they started checking ilvls and prohibited people from rolling all they would have to do it put on the lower ilvl gear and then the CT runs would not be as easy becuase ev1 will be in lower gear OR they will stop running and then you will be waiting even longer to get in a run.

If you want guaranteed drops then put together your own group with loot rules.

Here comes such a thread again.

"I am deserved to get loot more than you bcuz bla bla bla...."

This is selfish.

Wait why is this even a big deal? I recognize that he's a new 50,but really, missing CT gear is not even a big deal. With all the myth he's getting from running it, he can easily get superior gear. Plus roulettes, plus soldiery gear. And Ultima, and market board. Seriously, CT gear has virtually no use anymore.

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Originally Posted by yamiramirez

...I know if I see someone doing that, they're getting kicked.

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So it doesn't work if it is the drop of last boss... ^^;

It seem to me that gear usually drop for class that perform best in group. Not sure what happen if there are multiple players of same class, maybe it is random number for need but maybe based on damage dealt etc.
Basically if you do your job good your chances are better to get the gear you need.
So my evil advice would be to get good (or better) at what you do. I know I still find new ways how to perform better on my jobs even 6 months after I started to play ff xiv and I couldn't get gear drops by using just 1 combo as lancer for example.

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Originally Posted by Adler

It seem to me that gear usually drop for class that perform best in group. Not sure what happen if there are multiple players of same class, maybe it is random number for need but maybe based on damage dealt etc.
Basically if you do your job good your chances are better to get the gear you need.

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This is nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Adler

It seem to me that gear usually drop for class that perform best in group. Not sure what happen if there are multiple players of same class, maybe it is random number for need but maybe based on damage dealt etc.
Basically if you do your job good your chances are better to get the gear you need.

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Yes, that's completely why when I ran CT there would be tons of either DRG or MNK gear when neither of those classes were actually in the party at the time.

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Originally Posted by yamiramirez

My friend has been doing Crystal Tower ever since he hit lv50 a week ago and he's only got one piece of gear in that whole time. The problem he runs into is if he's the only one (Black Mage) no Crimson gear will drop or he'll get put into a group with ppl who have lv 90-100 gear and still roll "Need" and win and the last one I'm sure is just random, but he always has really low rolls. I mean he'll roll 2s and 3s. I know your personal inventory is checked, but I think they should check beyond that. Taking something that a lower geared person could use is not cool and I know if I see someone doing that, they're getting kicked.

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Assuming 2 runs of CT a day for 7 days that is 2100 myth a full set of myth gear is 5010 so he should be about half way to a full set of myth gear for his class which is a higher ilvl than CT and includes accessories which CT doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Adler

I'm making stuff up and please don't listen to me

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Trying to define RNG by how well you play? Uh, wut.

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1. Gear that drops has nothing to do with party makeup. 0-4 casters in group, chance of drop still the same.
2. That is not what Kicking system is for, your going to get reported and if it happens enough suspended or banned.
3. Is your friend asking for gear pieces, when instance starts? I only check other party members gear, if we are failing or I like the looks of it and want to see its name. I have no problem passing if someone asks for something, (unless I have been trying to get it myself for what seems like forever,which isn't often).

You roll the Need/Greed dice, you either get it or you don't.
It's all chance, just like the item itself being dropped.

I may just want something for vanity, but if I've done it 40 times and the item finally drops, you don't suddenly get entitlement to something just because it's an upgrade for you. I put in the time, I am just as deserving.

There is already a similar thread about this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...0-Glamour-Need

And like LunarEmerald already wrote in that thread:

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No. Thinking you're more entitled to a drop for whatever reason makes you selfish. You both did the battle, so you both equally deserve it. It's as simple as that.

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Is pretty much what a gm would tell you, without the selfish part.

Not every ilvl 90+ person is doing the run for fun. Maybe they have been farming ct for a certain item like your friend.
Be it for Glamour or Retainer or anything. The have the same right as you do.

So just because I run CT as a ilvl 100 tank, means im not allowed to need the warrior of Light gear because you just popped lvl 50 and desperately need it more than me?

I am calling Horse S&*T on that one!

Crystal Tower USED to take 40 minutes of my time back when the one item per week lock out was still in effect. Nowadays, CT takes over an hour because of the high volume of pitiful failures..... seriously, kill the skeletons..... kill the adds.... kill the bombs... kill the adds..... the situation is always the same, KILL THE ADDS. Shouldnt take 50 levels for newbies to realize they are responsible for killing whatever pops up as priority over the main boss.

Trust me, If i am queuing for Crystal Tower, 150 myth tomes is not enough to make me hit my head against the wall for over an hour. I am queued so I can get gear, whether it be for my main class, or for all 8 alternative classes which i have already leveled to 50. If I wanted just the myth tomes, i could farm Brayflox and bring in double the amount in the time one CT run would cost me.

OP, These are your options. Realize that i will NEED any gear piece in my class that i do not already own. AND I will greed every piece of gear that it will let me roll on (the ones I do not already have). There are 4 drops in the dungeon. There is a good chance i will place a roll on all 4 pieces.... Im still looking for all the MNK pieces, a Crimson Robe, DRG head and hands, Healer head and chest, Bard Chest.

So deal with the fact that i am entitled to roll on equipment I WANT, even though i have all my characters over ilvl 80. OR wait for another tank to queue in, i would assume thats gonna put another 10-15 minutes on your queue time...... and your odds of completion will plummet too, since i can MT the entire dungeon being overgeared for it. Your welcome

...Actually if this was enforced in some way you would find a lot less people willing to run CT. I know I don't need some of the equipment, but I want to complete my sets of armor if possible. Call me completionist.
Additionally, I have some jobs around 40 that I want geared asap while running other jobs- I shouldn't have to explain why I want something or have to argue about it. If I want it, I greed and that should be end of story.

The point is, if you actually do indeed NEED a specific item to the point of tears and frustrations then you should run the dungeon/whatever as that job. If you can't (due to iLVL etc), then you're left at the whim of others, or you can gear up that job.

I've found that in my groups, if someone is ON the job and says "Hey, I plan to actually wear this and not just glamour it," most people will pass it to them. Not all the time though. On the flip side, if this guy has done as many CT runs as you claim, he probably has a lot of myth. Just buy the better i90 gear with myth earned from CT and be done with it.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I've found that in my groups, if someone is ON the job and says "Hey, I plan to actually wear this and not just glamour it," most people will pass it to them. Not all the time though. On the flip side, if this guy has done as many CT runs as you claim, he probably has a lot of myth. Just buy the better i90 gear with myth earned from CT and be done with it.

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^^^

Not to mention they only really need enough myth gear to get i70 for coil entry and then they can get geared up the rest of the way through that.

Equal loot rights for equal participation in content is well and good, but it doesn't account for the notion that not everyone's "need" may be considered equal.

Overblown RL analogy: a geared person rolling Need purely for glamour use when there are obviously undergeared players of that same class in the party is something like a wealthy person claiming a reward of comparatively small monetary value for the sake of novelty when they had the opportunity to cede it to someone obviously in need. You could definitely make the argument that the wealthy participant was just as entitled to claim the reward based on time invested, but at the same time, you have to consider what a difference it would have made to the person who might have used it to improve their life experience.

One situation doesn't fit all, but it's not as simple as everyone's need being equal in all circumstances or it being selfish to suggest that it might be appropriate to prioritize the needs of some over others.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Equal loot rights for equal participation in content is well and good, but it doesn't account for the notion that not everyone's "need" may be considered equal.

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My $15.99 a month is just as important as your $15.99 a month.

Equal pay for equal work is how it goes right?

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

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If your that concerned by it just go in a premade group. Your only looting against the 8 people in your party anyways.

RL stupid comparisons with computer game...there is no hunger, definitive death, characters feel nothing.

About need in gear play with friends, or FC members. A static group will look for the need to improve the team as a whole, but in a random group? It is just a lottery, roll the dice and move on.