First impressions about NIN

So far I'm unimpressed, it feels like rehashed MNK with combo system instead greased lighning.

My initial impressions:

• increased movement speed is already available for MNK (self buff) and BRD (party buff), nothing special here. Just give every job an out of combad movement speed buff maybe?
• decreased damage from falling is useless and will take up trait slot for potentially useful trait (like, give us increased crit rate, crit damage - something that helps in playing the job, aka DPS trait...)
• combo system (ability1+ability2->explosion1) is potentially easier to play than MNK, it might be good baseline for choosing either sustained or burst damage by using different combos depending on situation
• positional requirements differing from enemy and enemy might end up with hectic button mashing, as in flank->rear->flank->rear->front->rear, but we'll have to wait and see how rigid and strict they are
• the game doesn't need another DPS class, at least developers admitted realising that already, yet here we have another DPS... This feels to me like rushed contend without deeper value. It's much easier to clone a DPS job that design a new playstyle for tank (evasion tank? pet tank? debuff tank?) or healer (AoE healer? buff healer? DoT healer?)
• another close range melee getting 1 shotted by aoe right and left. If you want to shove another DPS at us, give him crossbows/shurikens as means of doing damage. A party (light or full) needs only 1 melee for limit break purposes, anything more than that is dead weight.

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

A party (light or full) needs only 1 melee for limit break purposes, anything more than that is dead weight.

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Nope. I see you haven't cleared turn 7 but turn 7 is more predictable if you have 2 melees. More than 1 melee is not a dead weight. More than 1 unskilled melee is. This includes "getting 1 shotted by aoe right and left" as you pointed out.

First impressions based off a minute long video showing extremely limited gameplay...sounds legit.

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

First impressions based off a minute long video showing extremely limited gameplay...sounds legit.

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my thoughts exactly lol

Clearly Ninja sucks. /unsubscribe

Rogue seems to move around the mob. Ninja just beats it in the face.
Still convinced it could be a tank class.

Also...is that frost breath?

Looks awesome tbh

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

positional requirements differing from enemy and enemy might end up with hectic button mashing, as in flank->rear->flank->rear->front->rear, but we'll have to wait and see how rigid and strict they are

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Afaik, he never said anything about the positional requirements differing from enemy to enemy and, in fact, said that, if you thought that it looked hectic in the video, it's not really like that (pretty sure he specifically said it was less than MNK), and that the intended "complexity" was supposed to be derived from the ninja hand sign thinks and using your poisons (of which there will be multiple with different effects, according to him).

As such, I seriously doubt there will be anything like flank>rear>flank>flank>rear>rear>flank>rear>etc. I expect it to have similar positional requirements to DRG and require management of off-GCDs (poisons and ninja hand signs; for poisons, probably some kind of stacking DoT poison that you have to swap out for a poison that does damage based upon the number of poison stacks on the target; for the hand signs, he said it was making sure you got the right combination of hand signs so that you would avoid getting a dud).

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Also...is that frost breath?

Looks awesome tbh

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Yes.

Waiting for name change to appear to call myself: Sub Zero ;)

*super excited - not for rogue though.. >.< I hope the second job from that class will be very good.. Ganker that steals Loot from Bosses muhahahah

the majority of players play dps jobs and don't play as a tank/heals because they don't want to take on the added responsibility. I think it was a smart move to release a new dps first because it'll attract the majority of players. if you release a new tank or healer first you run a risk of few people wanting to level it up for the same reason that tanks and healers are in short supply right now.

and just because less falling damage might be "useless" right now, doesn't mean that it will continue to be "useless" in the future.

the last thing we need is a new ranged dps. See ranged df wait times.

all of the rest of your premature complaints are exactly that... premature. we got some artwork and a 1-minute teaser vid. maybe you should wait until we have some tangible facts to form an opinion. I think ninja looks freakin sweet!

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Yes.

Waiting for name change to appear to call myself: Sub Zero ;)

*super excited - not for rogue though.. >.< I hope the second job from that class will be very good.. Ganker that steals Loot from Bosses muhahahah

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Only if the LB kill hits says "FATALITY".

But NIN will come from the rouge class as it's follow up job or at least implied here:

http://2p.com/6988278_1/About-Rogue-...-flamedust.htm


Just curious which is the cross class for it.

Hmmmm.....
Increased movement speed?
Reduced falling damage?
Ninja?
I think SE is trying to encourage speed running via skipping mobs etc.
All i see is stack vit on NIN and bam hardcore ninja super mob evader dps class.

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Originally Posted by AlrikRouge

Only if the LB kill hits says "FATALITY".

But NIN will come from the rouge class as it's follow up job or at least implied here:

http://2p.com/6988278_1/About-Rogue-...-flamedust.htm


Just curious which is the cross class for it.

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Yup Alrik, I watched E3 and I knew NIN came from Rogue. (hence my disappointment, but they had to start somewhere. At least Ninja is a job, not a class whew)

So that leaves open one 'future' path for another Job related by the Rogue class.

And NIN cross-classes (PUG - no brainer? DRG - please invigorate and B4B! - else Archer (venom arrow?) I would be disappointed)

He will for genjutsu? (decoy would be nice ^^) or strickly ninjustu use MP as well.. nicely rounded, can't wait!

I'm all in for the Fatality, even Animality muhahahaha

Going to sleep: please wake me up in 3 months :)

**I've seen the same typo in other MMOs: Rogue, Rouge is Red in French, just FYI all ^^

Based on what we have in the game, I'm going to guess pug will be the lvl 15 class to get nin mainly from a lore standpoint and versitility cause nin in FF seem to have a focus on using there inner chakra to harness the ninjutsu and pug has a focus on harnessing that and with rouge being the base for the blades aspect and pug being the focus on hitting those vital points. The other cross class could be either arc/ lnc or if they release the gunner class at the same time could be that. Just my 2cents of guessing.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Hmmmm.....
Increased movement speed?
Reduced falling damage?
Ninja?
I think SE is trying to encourage speed running via skipping mobs etc.
All i see is stack vit on NIN and bam hardcore ninja super mob evader dps class.

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Nods - reduced falling dmg.. very useful.. perhaps in PvP? anyway, your full HP will be getting faster than others so with your enhanced-move-speed-that-will-beat-mounts (not easy to do) to get first on the next mob.. .to wait for Tank to pull lololol

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Yup Alrik, I watched E3 and I knew NIN came from Rogue. (hence my disappointment, but they had to start somewhere. At least Ninja is a job, not a class whew)

So that leaves open one 'future' path for another Job related by the Rogue class.

I'm all in for the Fatality, even Beastiality muhahahaha

Going to sleep: please wake me up in 3 months :)

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That sigh of relief that proves that classes are completely worthless are what disgusts me the most about the game's design.

Second, I know you probably meant Animality. In case you're confused, I suggest looking up what bestiality is before asking for it in the game. ........ Then again, if you want bestialities, there are plenty of miqote on lalas on Balmung for that...

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

That sigh of relief that proves that classes are completely worthless are what disgusts me the most about the game's design.

Second, I know you probably meant Animality. In case you're confused, I suggest looking up what bestiality is before asking for it in the game. ........ Then again, if you want bestialities, there are plenty of miqote on lalas on Balmung for that...

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Yup, you are right about animality. Since old times they were using beast change, we used that terminology.. and I got stuck with it ^^ (and I've seen much more than what that term implies, no need to check, ty ^^)

*corrected, ty ;)

And yes, Classes are worthless, it's sucks, as some were looking for a complete Rogue..

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Nope. I see you haven't cleared turn 7 but turn 7 is more predictable if you have 2 melees. More than 1 melee is not a dead weight. More than 1 unskilled melee is. This includes "getting 1 shotted by aoe right and left" as you pointed out.

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I'm all for 2 melee as well. :) but I wanted to note one thing. You can keep fireballs in t7 very predictable even with 3 ranged. My current group has 3 ranged. Whenever possible I stand very close to the boss like a melee and do not get targeted by fireballs. This, of course, isn't always possible. Sometimes I need to move for adds to stay in range to DPS.

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

Yup Alrik, I watched E3 and I knew NIN came from Rogue. ...
So that leaves open one 'future' path for another Job related by the Rogue class.
And NIN cross-classes (PUG - no brainer? ...)
**I've seen the same typo in other MMOs: Rogue, Rouge is Red in French, just FYI all ^^

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Good call. Good old MK. I remember it first hitting arcades. And yeah, didn't catch the spelling error. Oops. I hope the job isn't red.

So I guess I need to get my PUG going. Probably get that to 30 by the weekend just in case....

Although....mixed jobs to make precedence for others? BLM would make sense. Same with MNK. Mixed classes PUG makes the most. Although how it was figured Archer mixed with Thurm makes BLM...

How I feel about your first impressions

http://24.media.tumblr.com/324fc72d1...idc6o1_250.gif

Even better; Say each syllable of the phrase with each step he takes.

True. Haters will hate.

I just hope the Ninja job comes with an Epic ability:

Epic Ninja: 60 seconds of being pure epic awesomeness. Each attack is epic. Recast: 120 seconds, so you can be epic 50% of the time.

All joking aside, I've been anticipating the ninja job and no matter what it takes, job skills, class cross, etc, I'm getting it just because. Last ninja I played was Edge. Ready for my next one.

I lost interest in the stream the minute they announced Ninja; Silly class.

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

First impressions based off a minute long video showing extremely limited gameplay...sounds legit.

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This. Comment. Is. Legit. :p

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Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha

First impressions based off a minute long video showing extremely limited gameplay...sounds legit.

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First impressions, try spelling it slowly several times until the right switches click in.
Developers didn't give a single reason why they need to add NIN DPS and why we need to play it. How the game will be better with it around? I see nothing of value in this "Please look forward to it".

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

First impressions, try spelling it slowly several times until the right switches click in.
Developers didn't give a single reason why they need to add NIN DPS and why we need to play it. How the game will be better with it around? I see nothing of value in this "Please look forward to it".

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what in the world.... why is ninja needed? is SE only suppose to add things to the game that are "needed?" no. of course not. they add things in that the players want. (purchasable fantasia, anyone?). based on your logic, SE should never add any new classes/jobs because there is no "need" for them.

Im genuinely looking forward to it.

But I'm annoyed they didnt bring a new tank or DOM, would've been nice if they balanced out the tallys first.

These new classes are slated for Patch 2.4, and 2.3 isn't even here yet. There's still PLENTY of time to reveal more new classes if there are any. Rogue and Ninja were some of the classes both the devs and players were most excited about, so that's why they got first reveal.

With tanks being a needed class, and the DPS pool already quite substantial, why would they NOT add a new Tank (and in doing so a new Support [Gunner] and Healer) class?

Besides, where you find Ninjas, you'll usually find Samurai.

And I'm calling it now: We just might see Red Mages/Dark Knights when we finally get to see Ishgard/Dravania.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

These new classes are slated for Patch 2.4, and 2.3 isn't even here yet. There's still PLENTY of time to reveal more new classes if there are any. Rogue and Ninja were some of the classes both the devs and players were most excited about, so that's why they got first reveal.

With tanks being a needed class, and the DPS pool already quite substantial, why would they NOT add a new Tank (and in doing so a new Support [Gunner] and Healer) class?

Besides, where you find Ninjas, you'll usually find Samurai.

And I'm calling it now: We just might see Red Mages/Dark Knights when we finally get to see Ishgard/Dravania.

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http://ffxiv-roleplayers.com/wiki/im...036!Eorzea.jpg

3.0 => Ishard => 4.0 Dravania?

I think someone is just upset that Ninja won't be turned into a blink tank again.

Wasn't it stated somewhere in there that Ninja will be a high skill, high reward playstyle? We'll probably see lots of bad ninjas, but the ones that are excellent at what they do should stand out as well.

I predict both horror stories of "Oh god please no what are you even doing" and victorious tales of "Oh man, did you see what I just did?"

You know, a lot like EVERY OTHER JOB IN THE GAME. People need to stop flipping their tables, sit down and patiently wait for these things to come out before judging them.