Show your support for making Classes viable.

Basically I have always wanted to be able to play a Class too, effectively for that matter.

I don't know how, but I could suggest for example making Class Soul Crystals that also boost stats, Class AF / other armor, weapons and of course Class specific skills that would separate them from the jobs. A good part would of course also be the fact that you can mix and match more of your cross class skills.

I don't know, I just got more inspired after I saw the Rogue / Ninja video because I think Rogue looked way, way, way cooler than Ninja.

So anyway, like this post, comment and give suggestions in hopes of making Classes viable some day. :)

thinly veiled "I wanted thief not ninja" butthurt thread.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

thinly veiled "I wanted thief not ninja" butthurt thread.

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Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Basically I have always wanted to be able to play a Class too, effectively for that matter.

I don't know how, but I could suggest for example making Class Soul Crystals that also boost stats, Class AF / other armor, weapons and of course Class specific skills that would separate them from the jobs. A good part would of course also be the fact that you can mix and match more of your cross class skills.

I don't know, I just got more inspired after I saw the Scout / Ninja video because I think Scout looked way, way, way cooler than Ninja.

So anyway, like this post, comment and give suggestions in hopes of making Classes viable some day. :)

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There is a glamour system you know, considering ninja has every rogue ability, just uh... dress it with non-ninja gear?

No. /thread

Ermm... no. I don't care about Thief OR Ninja. I play ranged classes. If it has to be anything at all, it's more of a thinly veiled "I want to be an Archer, not a Bard."

You don't have to support a cause you don't care for, but please don't be cynical bullies.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

"I want to be an Archer, not a Bard."

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theres a difference?

Honest answer:

I'd very much prefer this not to be the case, and when it comes to Archer vs Bard there is still plenty of room for a "Ranger" job.

If anything the class -> Job system has hurt more than it's promoted so far in the game, this can be seen just by looking at the differences between the SMN and SCH jobs both coming out of the ACN class (there aren't many between the two)

I would much rather see more unique jobs develop rather than trying to go back and make the already underwhelming classes relevant in some way, sorry =/

Wow, talk about a lot of dismissive replies. Honestly, I'd love to see classes get their due, and it annoys me to no end that SE has simply continued to push them under the bus. That said, the actual cross-class system would need a heck of a lot of revision. As it stands one of the biggest problems classes face is that they don't have enough cross-class skills, and those they do are either pointless (Savage Blade and Skull Sunder) or not worth the TP cost (Venomous Bite and Fracture) when you cross-class them. A simple solution would be to add in the starter of certain combo-skills to the cross-class set--like Fast Blade or Heavy Swing--but not the ender, so that way the appropriate class can make the most use of it. Maybe we could also include the appropriate trait to certain skills, should the class we're drawing from have obtained it, such as Mercy Stroke receiving a reduced cooldown.

Jobs can keep their stat-boost and specific skills, but classes desperately need their own buffs, as well. It's probably not going to happen, but I do hope SE decides to give those of us who want to play the more versatile classes a helping hand, too. And who knows, maybe we'd even find some new party compositions along the way?

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Wow, talk about a lot of dismissive replies. Honestly, I'd love to see classes get their due, and it annoys me to no end that SE has simply continued to push them under the bus. That said, the actual cross-class system would need a heck of a lot of revision. As it stands one of the biggest problems classes face is that they don't have enough cross-class skills, and those they do are either pointless (Savage Blade and Skull Sunder) or not worth the TP cost (Venomous Bite and Fracture) when you cross-class them. A simple solution would be to add in the starter of certain combo-skills to the cross-class set--like Fast Blade or Heavy Swing--but not the ender, so that way the appropriate class can make the most use of it. Maybe we could also include the appropriate trait to certain skills, should the class we're drawing from have obtained it, such as Mercy Stroke receiving a reduced cooldown.

Jobs can keep their stat-boost and specific skills, but classes desperately need their own buffs, as well. It's probably not going to happen, but I do hope SE decides to give those of us who want to play the more versatile classes a helping hand, too. And who knows, maybe we'd even find some new party compositions along the way?

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Except... changes to the cross class system could easily be applied to jobs making them more unique and interesting instead...

nothing proposed in your statement would make classes uniquely better that couldn't be applied to jobs to a greater degree

I have to ask, what is it people like about classes so much in particular that could not be applied to the job system? is it their names? It cant simply be the cross class system because cross class abilities as a whole need a bit of a rework as it stands and anything classes currently have could easily be applied to jobs in the future if they wish.

It was originally described as classes are for solo play, jobs for party play right? But the way the game is currently, you don't really need to switch back to a class when soloing.

I think an idea could be to add some challenging solo content where the flexibility of more cross class skills would be more beneficial than the higher damage stat bonuses jobs give. Of course, that brings the potential negative effect that people will have to lvl several classes they might not like. Maybe in the future as new classes and abilities are added, it will be worth it to play on your class.

(I will say, while I'd rather be rogue than ninja, I REALLY miss my carby on arcanist ): )

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Ermm... no. I don't care about Thief OR Ninja. I play ranged classes. If it has to be anything at all, it's more of a thinly veiled "I want to be an Archer, not a Bard."

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Have you ever been in a position where you don't need the abilities of BRD and would benefit more from cross class abilities? Perhaps in PvP or soloing?

The reality is simple. 1.0 had it where you could build your own class and it didn't work. Players wanted more defined roles and thus Jobs were born. Since I main ACN I always tell new players to the class that whether you play SMN or SCH, you're still ACN. Now if Titan Egi changes from tank to something else (which it should), I will be using golden carby for solo instead of SMN.

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Except... changes to the cross class system could easily be applied to jobs making them more unique and interesting instead...

nothing proposed in your statement would make classes uniquely better that couldn't be applied to jobs to a greater degree

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I did say that it would take a lot of revision to the actual system, and that's why I doubt it will ever happen. However, to counter your point, SE has always said that they want jobs to focus on one specific task, whereas classes are meant for versatility. So going by their own words, jobs were designed to be 'blander', I guess, than classes, and aren't meant to become anymore 'unique' or 'interesting' than they come off as. WARs will always tank, MNKs will always DPS, WHMs will always heal. Sure, overgearing content means a WAR can DPS outside of Defiance (as I've done before on my alt, although from my understanding MRD is more effective at DPS), and WHMs can crowd-control just fine with Holy, but in terms of current-level content they're much more effective fulfilling their standard roles.

I've actually dabbled in classes a bit, myself, having my alt reach level 50 as a GLD without ever swapping, and I do see some potential. She can use Feint or Haymaker to slow the enemy and mitigate damage during tanking, pop Featherfoot to dodge some attacks, or use Blood for Blood alongside Raging Strikes and Fight or Flight to give her much higher DPS for a brief period of time, mitigating the increased damage received with Rampart. Yes, she lacks the stat boosts and the abilities granted by jobs, but the extra utility, situational as it may be, makes her much more interesting to play. I can definitely see classes allowing more interesting party compositions and playstyles outside of the standard Tank/Heal/2xDPS and the 1-2-3 skill rotations that the game largely is right now.

EDIT: Sorry, I quoted your post before you edited that last part in. For me, I just want to see classes mean something. If they're going to keep classes in, and keep the cross-class system in, and not simply overwrite classes with jobs when we hit 30, I'd like to see them do something about it. It's a silly hope, to be certain, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to see something come of it.

Yeah basically classes could be more.. "versatile." Throw in more cross-class skills plus their own special skills that wouldn't transfer to any job. Work on the system.

I can see the issue with Archer if there will be a Ranger, but you can still make Archer different from Ranger. All in all, does it hurt to have 3 options instead of 1 or 2? The more the merrier.

would rather they throw out classes altogether

Could always make classes go to 30 then pick up jobs to take to 50 like I've seen posted before. So that means if they release a new job it starts at 30 and not level cap.

Or....we could axe the class system entirely and make jobs unique unto themselves?

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Actually, Kat, myself and a few other folks have been discussing this for a little while now, it was just made that much more apparent today.

I personally would like to see classes become just as useful as jobs. Especially now that we see rogue/ninja. the two appear radically different to me, and the gear that both were wearing resemble AF already so it would appear they were two different jobs.

Other classes have features that would be useful outside their "job" form. For example, I really miss carbuncle on SMN/SCH post 50 but I can no longer use carbuncle unless I'm on ACN at that level. Thats one downside Ive noticed. The other is that certain classes also have access to more cross-class abilities than their job counterparts, etc.

I think making "classes" a more viable option (maybe with their own version of soul crystals and new abilities from 30-50) would bring more diversity to the game as well.

Anyways, I realize a lot of this may not make complete sense as I am very tired from staying up far too late watching e3 reveals here in Japan.