Summoner or Dragoon?

I want to create another DPS class and i'm leaning towards a summoner. I heard that summoners do more damage than dragoons and they are also great for The Binding Coil. Which do you think is the better DPS? I already have a lvl 50 dragoon but I want to know if focusing more on my summoner is worth it.

What do you like better? Summoner is more effort by comparison but the reward is usually more damage. Whereas flying through the sky is much cooler.

Summoners can dish out some high DPS and are very welcomed in groups. However are you currently in a static? If you are how many Bards do you run?

It will basically fall down to: Do you want to have high DPS to help your group? Or do you want to help your Bards DPS in your group while doing your best? Or which do you want to play the most?

I personally find SMN/SCH my favorite class, but outside of personal preference I would level a SMN just for the versatility and fun factor. It also helps break up the monotony of leveling/gearing one class. As an aside, I actually am liking DRG a lot. It's not as complex as SMN, but it isn't completely simple either.

I main a SMN, but my secondary is a DRG. I have a lot of fun playing around with the SMN and I like being able to use different pets in different situations to add a strategic approach to the job. That'll only get better as new summons are released I hope. I also like the numbers that I put out as a SMN and I can tell you first hand that I don't do as much damage with my DRG.

I have fun playing with my DRG don't get me wrong. It's nice to have a melee job under your belt for several reasons. I don't have to wait 20 minutes in queue with my DRG (I myth and soldiery farm with him), some fights are just more preferable to a melee character than a caster and I can help out the group especially if there's a bard, and you just look completely b@d@ss.

In the end, it's all about the enjoyment of what you get out of playing that specific job. Who cares if you're not the highest DPS or absolute best. Afterall, they both have awesome uses and advantages no matter what party you run with.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Summoners can dish out some high DPS and are very welcomed in groups. However are you currently in a static? If you are how many Bards do you run?

It will basically fall down to: Do you want to have high DPS to help your group? Or do you want to help your Bards DPS in your group while doing your best? Or which do you want to play the most?

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Sounds as if you think DRGs can't do high dps. I promise they can.

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Originally Posted by Hakmatic

Sounds as if you think DRGs can't do high dps. I promise they can.

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I know they can. The problem is DRG imo is more complicated to play and thus people fail at it easier. I'm just pointing out the fact that you can help your group do overall more DPS if you run DRG and 2 BRD since all 3 are being given the additional pierce damage (given the fact that you're playing to your 100% capabilities). I'd love to play DRG in SCoB but I not doing so for 2 reasons: In T7 I'm the one who kites Renauds and I don't have an i100 weapon for T8.

dont make either, make a monk.

I find SMN easier to play than DRG because there's no "perfect rotation" you need to worry about, just dots and Fester. Both are fun to play. In T8, both me (DRG) and our SMN do about the same dps-wise, around 370.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

What do you like better? Summoner is more effort by comparison but the reward is usually more damage. Whereas flying through the sky is much cooler.

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Speaking as someone with an i97 SMN and an i88 DRG its actually the opposite as far as effort goes. Dragoon is FAR more effort, you have like 20 buttons to press and a really long drawn out combo. Not to mention they have positional requirements, Its kind of crazy at times. Ill link this : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn

On topic: It depends on what kind of player you are. If your thinking just about 'does more DPS' then your thinking in the wrong way. Every DPS class at the moment is completely viable and able to dish out a lot of damage.

If you like your Dragoon stick with it, you will be able to get groups just fine if you are good.

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Originally Posted by LOLyYOUcryin

dont make either, make a monk.

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Seconded
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Originally Posted by Sen_Terrechant

Speaking as someone with an i97 SMN and an i88 DRG its actually the opposite as far as effort goes.....

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Subjective. Stating your ilvl doesn't make it any less subjective, nor does the amount of buttons. I've seen people who can do drg combo like it's nothing but find smn require more effort. Subjective.

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Originally Posted by Kuroyasha

Subjective.

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To add on to this, it also depends how you're playing SMN. Timing virus, keeping E4E up, swift-raising and micromanaging pet is no less complex, the difference is that unlike DRG there is no set rotation outside of a somewhat agreed upon opening (which in itself is pretty long actually).

i105Drg (6,8,9)
i94Smn (Turn7)

Speaking from my experience I find that it is a lot easier to get the damage payoff on a SMN than as a DRG. With that it really comes down to your group, if you're running a 2x bard comp I personally would go DRG and make sure Disembowel is up 200% of the time to get the most out of your party. Also, if you have a 2x bard chances are you also have a blm which you would really not want 4 ranged when it comes to turn 7 it just doesn't sound like fun to me. On the other side if you could help a group out and be the one that Kites on turn 7 that is an amazing and priceless asset to a party and if done right you will never have any problems finding a group that wants you.

Also, you can think down the line with the reworks they may or may not be doing with the pets as well as the new egi's that are going to be added. So if you want to put your chips down on that go for it, but until I see what changes are made I will keep SMN at my #2. Lastly, if you think about with a final BiS set dragoon only really NEEDS Astrum chest and gloves, whereas SMN uses a decent amount of gear pulled from Sol from my understanding.

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Originally Posted by mero-ix

I find SMN easier to play than DRG because there's no "perfect rotation" you need to worry about, just dots and Fester. Both are fun to play. In T8, both me (DRG) and our SMN do about the same dps-wise, around 370.

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Oversimplifying is an understatement for this statement.

All jobs right now are very balanced...so level both! If a fight needs burst damage (especially if it's a dps race with adds included) at certain times during the instance bring your dragoon if the party needs to fill the melee slot and a melee limit break is needed. If the fight is single-target and very movement intensive bring your summoner if your party needs to fill a magic dps slot.

If you have to ask? Summoner.

Dragoons are members of an ancient Ishgardian order. Their members include some of the most skilled fighters in history. Its a hard path.