We see this in EVERY game these days. That one jerk off that will think he's made of gold, fails hard and then starts blaming everyone else for all his problems. Will it stop? probably not, but there's no shame in hoping. In this game, the most we can do now is kick them and report them(DF parties makes this difficult), but it's never enough. They'll just go on to do it again to others.
No one is dragging you down, you just suck. Come to terms with the fact that you suck, and strive to get better. And if it's not a matter skill, and a matter of knowledge, then learn form those that know it and are willing to help you. Don't sit there and assume that because you're being the most vocal, that you're the one that's correct. If several people are telling you that you're wrong, then shut the hell up and come to terms with the fact that you're wrong. Don't sit there and argue with people to the point that you have to go stand in a corner and cry about it(i.e those guys that refuse to do anything unless you kick the guy they don't like, or them).
In addition to those who just plain suck and blame others for things going wrong, you have the players that explode at others for trying to help them. People are not telling you what to do when they offer you advice, they're trying to help you. Granted a lot of the help these people are trying to give you can be avoided if you'd actually READ once in a while. If you're playing dragoon, and you're doing combos that don't actually chain off one another, and your using each skill from the wrong position(i.e. using heavy thrust from behind and then spamming chaos thrust from the side), then you should be getting mad at yourself for not actually learning what you're skills do before using them, instead of yelling at the guy trying to help you.
Most of us have come across the guy that replies with "Shut up and let me play my way". The proper response for someone trying to help you is "oh, ok, i didn't know that, thank you, I'll remember that". But if you're gonna act like a douche, then stay out of dungeons, because you're of no help to your party if you're just gonna be an idiot. you want to do twin snakes over and over? then go do single player content, don't make things worse for others.
Either way it plays out, many of you need to grow the hell up. It may be a video game, but that doesn't mean that you need to be an immature little prick.
Stop blaming others for your short comings
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06-05-2014, 06:35 AMSlatervonjagerStop blaming others for your short comings
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06-05-2014, 06:37 AMMusashidon
or you can just not give advice it's not your place to tell someone to get better.
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06-05-2014, 06:42 AMFoo01
If your advice comes with the same tone as your post, it is no surprise they would snap back at you. Even people that like to learn don't exactly enjoy being taught, especially when they are being stressed or pressured.
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06-05-2014, 06:47 AMTheCurlsThis guy's right. Don't go off on a tirade of various "you suck" insults and call it advice. That's not advice, that's you being a dick. And the most important rule in this game is is don't be a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foo01
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06-05-2014, 06:54 AMYumi_umiLol this game is just like any other game, whether it be board games or video games; as long as you have fun. Cuz that's what matters as it is only a game for your enjoyment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCurls
If he is having fun and you are not then that is your loss.
You can always tell them off or tell them to stop but we all know how effective that is when you are dealing with those types of ppl. -
06-05-2014, 06:55 AMSlatervonjagerYou're right and wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
While it's not your place to say "you suck get better", it is your place as a member of this games community to help others improve. Offering advice to assist someone, isn't telling them to get better, just as telling someone to get better isn't assisting them.
This isn't a post about my individual advice giving. This post isn't advice in the first place, this post is a reality check to those that need it(though many wont care or see it). Actual advice should never be accompanied by harsh tones, and anyone giving advice with a dickish tone in game is just being a dick. Also, stating that some people that like to learn don't like being taught makes no sense. Even if you get your information from a book, or by trial and error, you are still being taught, as you are learning from the author, or mechanics in the game are teaching you to react.Quote:
Originally Posted by Foo01
And how many people actually follow that "rule"? Some times is takes being a douche bag, to make other douche bags realize they're causing problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCurls
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06-05-2014, 07:07 AMMusashidon
no it's not, unless asked for advice keep it to yourself you're in the wrong not the bad player.
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06-05-2014, 07:18 AMLuxxTwo wrongs don't make a right....but three rights make a left. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Slatervonjager
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06-05-2014, 07:28 AMSavageWolf
Don't you know? You're just supposed to blame "lag".
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06-05-2014, 07:35 AMJandorMost of the content requires a team, people can be as ignorant and bad as they want in the solo content but if they're doing a terrible job in a dungeon and refusing to even try any advice being given to help them improve then their enjoyment is coming at the cost of 3/7/23 other people and that's not right or fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
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06-05-2014, 07:38 AMSapphic
Ego is the problem.
You see posts saying that players should help out others who are struggling, but when you try, irregardless of how polite, respectful and tactful you come across in giving advice too many either outright ignore and continue the same or throw back abuse. Then players posting that others should help and wonder why many stopped bothering.
I asked a geared DRG why he never used Heavy thrust, which he didn't at all, not even once. So was kinda intrigued, he went all caps locks on me. So I gave up. "I JUST DONT!" was his reply.
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06-05-2014, 07:42 AMSavageWolfNot. A. Real. Word.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphic
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06-05-2014, 07:43 AMDoctorPepperCan't really say I agree with this, from my experience if you're being a douche bag to a douche bag then you just have 2 douche bags.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slatervonjager
I agree that sometimes people are dicks in this game but sometimes they just want to genuinely learn on their own. Not everybody is as amped to go watch videos and read articles about how they should play and those people certainly don't want you or anybody else telling them how, that's their choice. If their being a douche bag that's also their choice and that's why we have a kick feature but just because somebody isn't listening to you tell them how to play the game doesn't necessarily make them a douchebag.
Personally I rush all the new content asap because of this same reason, sure I end up bored a month later but at least I got to experience things before everybody starts telling me how to do them and I get to learn from my own trial and error. On the other hand I try my best not to be rude as well and offer advice whenever I feel it's necessary regardless of whether somebody asks me so I'm a little hypocritical in that sense. -
06-05-2014, 07:44 AMAmnesiaHaze
everything is your fault !!! not mine :D
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06-05-2014, 07:54 AMTwoEggs
You know i hear shes an actress
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06-05-2014, 07:57 AMSapphicNot a real sentance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageWolf
Irregardless is a non-standard word.
Quote from Thesaurus. Adv. 1. irregardless - regardless; a combination of irrespective and regardless sometimes used humorously
colloquialism - a colloquial expression; characteristic of spoken or written communication that seeks to imitate informal speech
So, try to educate yourself before going off topic.
Also to target an irrelevancy to the topic must mean you agree with the rest of what I wrote, as you weren't able to produce any sensible counter-argument :) -
06-05-2014, 08:03 AMAzakaTonnerre"Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead."Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageWolf
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06-05-2014, 08:12 AMDiavolo
I only give advice if someone asks or if I ask them (if they're a fellow bard/class I'm familiar with) if they need some pointers. These people are more willing to listen if you wait until they ask/ask them before shoving it at them. I've yet to have one person react badly when I use this method. I also encourage them when I see them applying it. Some people may see this as coddling, but honestly, you never know what this person's gone through in their day. They could've spent their entire day getting bitched at by their boss at work or yelled at by other players.
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06-05-2014, 08:19 AMSapphicI've given advice to some tanks that had major issues with enmity generation, not aware of the meters that are in game. Using flash as a taunt. Ive taken them through step by step and turned them from struggling to holding mobs with ease. Yet I was never asked. I could have waited and they could hav easily driven them to quitting through frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diavolo
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06-05-2014, 08:22 AMDiavoloI guess I'm just a southern gentleman that doesn't want to impose myself upon someone. I don't like to come off as that know-it-all asshole that no one really likes. My method works for me. I never said you had to change yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphic
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06-05-2014, 08:25 AMLuxxI don't say too much myself...esp if I don't know the class well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diavolo
I had a new tank in Copperbell NM who completely ignored the healers advice about using that one AoE I forgot the name of atm lol. She was kinda mean later because the tank wouldn't listen and faught her tooth and nail.
She said it took too much TP. The Acranist was new, was using Topaz Carby and not Emerald but he ended up listening. [He spoke not once though lol.]
The healer and tank faught the entire time lol. I was like I'm so glad this is almost over lol. I had fun though because I tanked most of the bosses as a PGL.
Yay! Featherfoot! xD
Depends though, we can be sweet as tea to folks and they act like they know all. It's annoying but I'm like Oh well lol. -
06-05-2014, 09:17 AMNoahlimitsQuote:
Originally Posted by SavageWolf
LOL TOLD. /ten charQuote:
Originally Posted by AzakaTonnerre
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06-05-2014, 10:44 AMTakeva
If people want to seriously learn, they will gladly take any advice you have for them. That is, if you know how to talk to a person. You know, that person who controls the character you see...?