Title Rewards for REALLY Hard Encounters

The game developers of FFXIV have always been very careful about balancing the difficulty of a fight with the people going up against it. They don't want to make the fight so hard that no one can beat it, but they do want to make fights challenging enough where it takes a lot of time, energy, and gear upgrades to easily win (for the average player of course). There is always a balance between fight difficulty and the capability of those facing it. Until now...

This was recently posted as part of a response to people asking if more random elements would be added to difficult fights: Also, we haven’t announced this yet, but we’re thinking to try something else new in patch 2.3. We’re considering preparing a ridiculously high difficulty encounter where the reward would only be a title. This would be at a level that the development team might not even be able to beat, and we’re interested to see what kind of players will rise to the challenge. We’re preparing “Something-Something Extreme,” but it may not be ready in time. The rewards will be the same that you would normally receive, except for the special title. Reference: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...98#post2159098

I am incredibly intrigued and excited by this idea. Adding a fight that is ridiculously hard would give people 'something to do' who have already conquered all the other content there is to conquer (perhaps we would see less posts on the forums from people who literally log in to do coil every week and then log out?). Plus, players who do not have the time or care to conquer this encounter will NOT be at a disadvantage because this fight will not drop any sort of gear. All you will get is a title for 'bragging' rights.

I believe this is a GOOD direction, and I fully support it. I would love to beat my head against this new encounter for hours and hours. How does the rest of the community feel about it? I assume there will be some mixed responses. In the future, I wonder if SE will consider adding purely aesthetic gear for encounters like this (that can be glamoured -- such as gear that mimics a primal's element), although that might be swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction. I don't want people to feel left out, and any drops could cause some turmoil among the community because the fight would be literally designed to ONLY be beaten by a very small percentage of players. A title, though, would be okay in my opinion... especially with the new upcoming feature to have a title next to your name.

Inb4 supermegaultrahard Titan mode. I can feel it coming....

No, in all honestly, I love the idea of having an extremely tough fight in game! It gives people that much more to work toward. Better gear and such may not be able to fix this fight if people run into trouble. And, it may not be beatable in just a few wipes. Specific strategies with specific classes for certain duties that they MUST perform, else the fight is done.

Thank you for bringing attention to this, because I had yet to hear. Sounds very exciting, and can't wait to see it!!

Bet it's going to be T9 Extreme.

Inb4 carrot talks ^^

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Originally Posted by GaiaGuardian

Thank you for bringing attention to this, because I had yet to hear. Sounds very exciting, and can't wait to see it!!

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I just saw it myself. :D It wasn't in the original Q/A posted alongside the actual live letter... it was included in the summary posted yesterday/today, though.

As far as WHAT he fight will be... I'm hoping Ultima Extreme. I have no factual evidence to support this, but I love the music for that fight and I feel like even Ultima (hard) was just too easy considering the role it had in the main storyline. In the interest of saving time, they might make it a more recent fight with extra elements included. Perhaps more adds, or even more things to dodge. Perhaps mechanics that only targeted certain people will now target more or different targets. Only time will tell, but I really do look forward to whatever they cook up.

As for this thread... I hope the devs see that the community DOES support something like this, and I hope they work to get it done by 2.3!

If I can attempt it even without doing crap stuff like T9 (not that T9 is crap, but being forced through it while I can't play and certainly can't find a static even for T6 learning is crap), I'm all for it.

Kill me, superextrahardextrememodeofdeath thingie, one day I'll get your title, just for fun

Twintania Extreme

20mins hard enrage timer
- Twintania having 200% of her original HP

Phase 1
- Instead of 3x Scourge of Meracydia, you have 3x Ghost of Meracydia
- Liquid hell does more damage and standing on it will cause burn damage like DoT
- Plummet instead of being frontal cone AoE, it will be circular AoE similiar to Nael's Dalamud Dive
- Increased Death Sentence damage similar to Ravensbeak

Phase 2
- Infirmity will force a tank swap. It casts a 30s debuff on the tank and if the tank with the debuff takes another Death Sentence, it's really death: instant KO.
- Fireball will deal the same amount of damage but generates a 30s burn debuff that ticks for minor DoT damage. However the trick is the player with the Fireball debuff cannot take another Fireball, or result in instant KO.
- Conflag will have 200% of its original HP. If the trapped player is not being released by the time conflag timer is up, the trapped player will die, and on top of it, Twintania will receive heal equivalent to the total conflag HP.

Phase 3
- 2 sets of divebombs as usual, however instead of 45s in between, it will be 90s
- Instead of Asceplius and 4x Hygeia, it shall be Caduceus! It will be in its split from - which means 2 of them, each having 50% of the Caduceus's full HP from Turn 1.
- As you can recall they must not get close to each other so you have to split them up and DPS and dodge Divebombs separately. If they get close, it will combine as usual and will have an instant 8 stacks buff. The split Caduceus will start with 0 stack and gain 1 stack every 20s
- Towards the end of Phase 3, if Caduceus are still alive, they will auto move to the center of the map where Twintania will reappear and be absorbed by Twintania - whatever HP remaining of Caduceus will be absorbed as heal.
- Furthermore, each Caduceus being absorbed will boost Twintania's Aetheric Profusion by 10%

Phase 4
- Dreadknights will have 150% of her original HP and returns 15% melee damage to the dealer
- The stunned player will be subjected to a DoT
- Twister will be back the the punishing version before nerf

Phase 5
- Hatch will deal the same damage but will cause a 1m debuff. Each stack of debuff will cause the next Hatch to deal 25% more damage to the player with the debuff.
- 5x Liquid Hell as usual.


Have fun ;)

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Twintania Extreme

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Or "Shantoto Return" ^^

...Oh god it just hit me

what if this is the Gilgamesh Extreme Yoshida's been teasing

I'm kind of hoping titan extreme. I feel like I'm doing zen meditation whenever I do titan nowadays, it would be awesome.

Random FC here selling "Title you are pr0h and elitist" tell me for more info.

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Originally Posted by Richiealvian

I'm kind of hoping titan extreme. I feel like I'm doing zen meditation whenever I do titan nowadays, it would be awesome.

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we... already have titan extreme...

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

we... already have titan extreme...

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The amazing chou shin haipa extreme wonderfully marvelous harmonious happily ever after forever and ever titan..

If this happens I would like to see them iLvl cap the instances. Make the titles a testament of skill; not over-gearing.

...and then within a week BG will have beaten it and all PF attempts after that will be "MUST HAVE SEEN GUIDE/KNOW STRAT OR KICK!"

:l

I sense a new wave of cries against RNG in the near future.

Also, the Extreme Primal Trifecta. Titan, Ifirit, and Garuda at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

we... already have titan extreme...

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Inb4 Titan Elite.

If they come out with anymore Ifrit, Gaurda or Titan runs I'm going to be extremely disappointed and feel like they keep re-using old content
just because reasons. Next up, Titan Elite will have us all stand in a single pillar for each and he stomps around like a moron in mid-air like he's
in some damn Marching Band and you gotta play Hopscotch on the pillars to do anything lol because he's going to teleport and crap or whatever.
Time to move on. No one wants to fight these Primals in 10 different level's.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

...Oh god it just hit me

what if this is the Gilgamesh Extreme Yoshida's been teasing

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I've thought about this. You know how there are multiple platforms you run to in the 'normal' version? Maybe it will force groups to 'split up' and engage multiple difficult fights at once.

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Originally Posted by rappa

Random FC here selling "Title you are pr0h and elitist" tell me for more info.

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I hope it will be hard enough where it won't be possible to 'sell' wins. In FFXIV 1.0, Ifrit extreme would throw an AoE pulsing damage debuff on someone, and even if you died you still dealt damage to others. I hope something similar is done (to dead people) so there's no way to safely take yourself out of the fight and get carried. I generally don't mind people getting carried (although I'd never support it) but this is a fight I do not think carries should be possible for. I'd be very disappointed in the fight if carries were possible.

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Originally Posted by Pence

If this happens I would like to see them iLvl cap the instances. Make the titles a testament of skill; not over-gearing.

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I was wondering about this. It would be really silly if the fight also had a gear check, because some people just haven't had a lot of luck with coil drops. For example... Even though I was clearing Twintania for months before 2.2 hit, I never even saw my Allagan weapon until looooooong after it was 'irrelevant'. :S I do hope they find a way to make this fight difficult without at the same time making it a gear check. That said, if the fight REALLY requires an unreal amount of coordination and skill, the people putting the time in have probably already been farming SCOB for quite a while.

Ozma from ff9 >_> (Seriously though my money is on Gilgamesh)

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Originally Posted by rappa

Random FC here selling "Title you are pr0h and elitist" tell me for more info.

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""X" Extreme Farm Group, must have the title equipped to show you have cleared, do not join if you do not have the title"

I'm definitely in. It's the challenge that I want, not really the reward.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Twintania Extreme

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Here's my version of a harder Twintania that I posted last week :D

i hope whatever this fight is, it does not contain the following:

1) it should not have "only one intended mechanic" in order to clear.
- so that even though a video is uploaded everyone is still free to experiment and try various methods to clear it
2) latency or lag dependent
- i know some lag issues are dependent on your location. but i really hope latency/lag dependency on this battle is minimized.

3) a set of specified class jobs for optimal performance
- would be nice if all jobs are equally useful on this fight

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Originally Posted by Luxx

Inb4 Titan Elite.

If they come out with anymore Ifrit, Gaurda or Titan runs I'm going to be extremely disappointed and feel like they keep re-using old content
just because reasons. Next up, Titan Elite will have us all stand in a single pillar for each and he stomps around like a moron in mid-air like he's
in some damn Marching Band and you gotta play Hopscotch on the pillars to do anything lol because he's going to teleport and crap or whatever.
Time to move on. No one wants to fight these Primals in 10 different level's.

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/Clap - My point exactly. Extreme should be compared as Hell mode in Diablo 3. Nothing left after it.

Among other things, I am also a junior programmer, been told not to reinvent the wheel since it's made already.

There comes a breaking point where you need to get the pulse of the community and stop rehashing old content and stuff, to bring new stuff.

At least 'content' still comes every 3 month or so whew..

*2 hours before home - patching up - hopefully no issues - enjoy new Vistas lol

I don't care and will laugh if it's just another rehashed extreme. (Devs are really raising the bar with creativity around here)

Unlike the "leet" players that have a fit over casual content, I am all for giving them more crazy level stuff... and titles are great for them.

What they also need to do is either produce some more quality casual encounters, or nerf some of the roadblocks like Twintania to open up more content to casuals.

Frankly, I would rather they make new casual raid content... as coil is pretty boring and crusty.

I've been wondering if they were going to do something like this, like a superboss from the single player FFs that is just there to challenge the best and for bragging rights and would last over an hour. Think Yiazmat from FFXII.

The titles in WoW for raid achievements were really fun to go after. Starcaller, of the Nightfall, and The Undying were some of my faves.

The Undying was achieved by beating a raid called Naxxramas without anyone dying. It took an incredible amount of attention and teamwork. Of course it became easier later on after people outgeared and leveled the raid, but you couldn't just derp your way through it even then. People with that title while it was current were quite inspiring :)

I'd love to see something like this in ARR.

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Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos

I've been wondering if they were going to do something like this, like a superboss from the single player FFs that is just there to challenge the best and for bragging rights and would last over an hour. Think Yiazmat from FFXII.

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A friend and I were actually discussing the possibility of them bringing in Yiazmat earlier today. Seriously, if they brought that boss, it would be amazing.

How About 2 Primals in one fight at the same time ??? imagine Titan Vs Garuda ? lol

Love the idea. And although would love a Giglamesh HM or Ex, don't want it to be this one.

Time to enter The Magus Sisters....

Omega Weapon. /thread

Didn't they mention Nightmare mode primals at some point? Maybe this is the start of those.

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Originally Posted by Kenji1134

Omega Weapon. /thread

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This guy almost got it right :p