must have mandatory join in progress

it always happens, where you form a duty finder group after a long wait. then right after that long wait, a tank or healer leaves, or even a dps. now, you wait even longer than before to find the new player, or you disband after fifteen minutes or take that thirty minute penalty as well. it also happens in trials, after 1 wipe, half the group leaves. now the trial is screwed because no one clicks join in progress. this is why i think it should be mandatory to join a group in progress if needed. i actually turned "join in progress off" because oftentimes i will join a group that is missing a tank and will have wasted my time in queue.

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Originally Posted by Conquers

i actually turned "join in progress off" because oftentimes i will join a group that is missing a tank and will have wasted my time in queue.

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So, you want it to be mandatory for people to join in progress, yet you yourself choose to not join in progress?

Anyway, I always click join in progress, and I don't think I've ever gotten an in progress party. I think the bigger issue is that the DF fills up new parties BEFORE moving on to in progress. Therefore, the more people waiting for their initial pop will get the first healer or tank that queues, then, if nobody is queued, it will look at those needing fills. Most of the time, if we had a player rage out or otherwise leave for whatever reason, we have always filled from someone's FC. Just have them queue for that specific dungeon in progress and 98% of the time they pop for your party. I've seen once where my FC mate did that and got paired with another party, but I've only seen it once. Some people don't want to queue in progress because they might be missing out on some of the loot/tomes/exp depending on how far into the run the party is (no way of knowing until you pop), or they might be concerned as to why the party lost a member (was the party bad and the other healer not want to waste their time, is there an abusive player in the party and the person that left felt insulted...) people have their own reasons, and are entitled to the choice.

They should just make it so you can set which you prefer as a default.

That and it seems in progress roulettes don't like putting you in in-progress parties, quite a few times recently someone will say "hey any tank wanna join lost city (or whereever) in progress? someone ditched", queue up appropriate roulette in progress and nothin.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

That and it seems in progress roulettes don't like putting you in in-progress parties, quite a few times recently someone will say "hey any tank wanna join lost city (or whereever) in progress? someone ditched", queue up appropriate roulette in progress and nothin.

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You just gave an example as to why it isn't allowed anymore.

As for OP... no. For the very reason you yourself stated - you can't stand entering dungeons that are missing multiple members, particularly the tank. Do you really think this will fix that problem, or do you think it'll just screw over everyone else all the harder?

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Originally Posted by Bombast

You just gave an example as to why it isn't allowed anymore.

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It's not allowed so that we can't help our friends?

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

It's not allowed so that we can't help our friends?

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Roulettes were put into the game to get players into the duty pool. Engineering a drop in to finish a roulette with friends does not do that.

You can still drop in to help friends. You just can't get soldiery and myth for it.

Wrong, if there is a run in need of your class that is in progress and you mark the join in progress box you will get that first.

I have joined a run in progress plenty of times as a healer when a FC mate calls for help because their healer left them, I que up and mark join in progress and always get in their group.

Also another note, if someone drops from the run you can leave without incurring the penalty. You only get the penalty if you leave a full group.

They need to change the system first to grab all missing party members before letting people enter as replacements to avoid entering join in progress and the dungeon having 1 DPS left.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Wrong, if there is a run in need of your class that is in progress and you mark the join in progress box you will get that first.

I have joined a run in progress plenty of times as a healer when a FC mate calls for help because their healer left them, I que up and mark join in progress and always get in their group.

Also another note, if someone drops from the run you can leave without incurring the penalty. You only get the penalty if you leave a full group.

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That works if you pick the dungeon itself. They changed the way roulette works however and now it puts in progress duties at low priority. Too many people were queuing roulettes and withdrawing until they got a pretty much finished run for quick tomes.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

They need to change the system first to grab all missing party members before letting people enter as replacements to avoid entering join in progress and the dungeon having 1 DPS left.

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This won't necessarily fix anything because as soon as the first person drops from the dungeon it starts searching. It finds a replacement and queues them in just as the next person drops out. It might happen a little less often but it would still happen. Plus if I was missing a tank and DPS I'd prefer if that DPS dropped in and we trio our way to a boss room waiting for a tank than having to wait for both slots to fill up and have to stand around.

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Originally Posted by Conquers

or you disband after fifteen minutes or take that thirty minute penalty as well.

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If someone leaves the group you can leave also and you won't take a penalty. At least in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Zythrone

If someone leaves the group you can leave also and you won't take a penalty. At least in my experience.

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This is true. For some reason people don't know this. I've joined in progs and they say "We are voting to ban at 15 mins" and I have to tell them they can just leave..

Duty roulette should prioritize filling groups in progress before making new groups.

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Originally Posted by Trespar

Duty roulette should prioritize filling groups in progress before making new groups.

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This. Some people never look in progress for some instances. This adjustment to roulette only made life more difficult for these players.

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Originally Posted by Trespar

Duty roulette should prioritize filling groups in progress before making new groups.

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As I mentioned previously, the devs changed this because people (chiefly tanks and healers) were queuing and withdrawing in order to get a 2/3 or 3/4 instance for quick tomes.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

As I mentioned previously, the devs changed this because people (chiefly tanks and healers) were queuing and withdrawing in order to get a 2/3 or 3/4 instance for quick tomes.

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Then it requires a redesign on how they want us to get gear. Also, lets admit that we want that anyways.

The game should really fill any current groups missing someone, before they begin making brand new parties. Concerning roulette, all they have to do is make it so that you get a further modified bonus(you join in progress and fight only last boss) or the bonus isn't applied and you get another chance at a full run. Also, give the player some kind of bonus anyways, if I join in progress for brayflox, and have to run to the aiatar and heal the fight, and that's it, then give me a huge chunk of xp, to make up for not getting to do the whole dungeon.

There are plenty of dps that despair as soon as a tank/healer leaves, because "nobody joins in progress" and considering dps queues, that really sucks for them.

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Originally Posted by Coth_X

The game should really fill any current groups missing someone, before they begin making brand new parties. Concerning roulette, all they have to do is make it so that you get a further modified bonus(you join in progress and fight only last boss) or the bonus isn't applied and you get another chance at a full run. Also, give the player some kind of bonus anyways, if I join in progress for brayflox, and have to run to the aiatar and heal the fight, and that's it, then give me a huge chunk of xp, to make up for not getting to do the whole dungeon.

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I like the idea of a tiered bonus system. +1

Force "join in progress" on people, and people will stop using the DF and DR completely.

I don't select "join in progress" because I DO NOT WANT to join at a random point of the dungeon.

Same here, I do not want to join a in progress dungeon. I want to run the whole thing to get the maximum number of tomes out of it.

I also don't want to suffer through your failed group, if your healer dropped it was for a reason and I don't want to be part of that reason.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

Same here, I do not want to join a in progress dungeon. I want to run the whole thing to get the maximum number of tomes out of it.

I also don't want to suffer through your failed group, if your healer dropped it was for a reason and I don't want to be part of that reason.

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True to a point, but healers/tanks/dps drop cause there bad too. I don't mind being the healer that can actually keep the party up during the last boss or the tank that can keep hate and I know what I'm doing.

Which is why the whole system should be tweaked.

We need a system that still rewards you fully for joining something that is already at final boss, or at second boss etc. Would you be against force join in progress if you got full reward from it? There would still be gaming of the system, but to help fix that, you change the ui completely, no more indicators of dungeon progress before joining, no job listings. It just says, "success!" and your screen goes black and boom you load into dungeon, with a fixed leave penalty, which regardless if someone else had left prior, if you zone in fresh, you shouldn't be able to leave immediately and not get a penalty.

I always join in progress, because I don't mind playing the game. I just hate that current join in progress doesn't queue full replacements, there's nothing better than zoning into a dungeon that has one dps just sitting there.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Force "join in progress" on people, and people will stop using the DF and DR completely.

I don't select "join in progress" because I DO NOT WANT to join at a random point of the dungeon.

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I don't believe it for a second. Every other mmo on the planet filters you into dungeons based on what is needed, not whether or not you personally feel like a fresh run. Duty roulette is just that, a roulette (like "random" dungeons).The tool picks, not you. SE trying to reinvent the wheel by allowing people to choose whether they can be filtered into a partially complete run or not has done nothing but cause groups to have to disband because of lack of members, driving queue times up as those people reenter the queue to start over again. You are voting against your own best interests with a comment like that.

All these growing pains have already been done in other mmos. Every single one has been addressed in "that other game". I guarantee in 6 months or less SE is going to come to the same conclusions. Duty finder will filter people based on need, you'll still get your bonus if you are filtered into a 3/4 run, and no one will be able to see where the group is at and withdraw. You will still get a guaranteed "fresh" run if you pick a specific dungeon, and queue times will decrease as people are completing content instead of having to re-enter the queue prematurely.

As far as the OP, that's kind of what I started doing - not using that check box at all. After my 6th queue in a row into an empty Stone Vigil I just gave up. It was nice of them to give us choice, but it causes too many actual problems with completing content and that's why other games don't do it.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

As I mentioned previously, the devs changed this because people (chiefly tanks and healers) were queuing and withdrawing in order to get a 2/3 or 3/4 instance for quick tomes.

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They managed to hide progress for CT, I'm sure they can do it again.
This is not the answer, since it created more problems.

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Originally Posted by Trespar

They managed to hide progress for CT, I'm sure they can do it again.
This is not the answer, since it created more problems.

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They didn't even hide progress that well. People just fished for 0/1 instead of fresh run.

I've always found it insane just how little priority is given to in progress groups. It seems at the moment that if somebody leaves a party mid run, its game over, you will very rarely (read: never, it seems) get replacements.

Given the roulette system, I think building in in progress runs would do more benefit than harm.

We don't seem to have the same experience.
I almost always find replacement. Earlier in AK, got a healer after 3 minutes.
In cutter's cry, a tank in 10 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Conquers

must have mandatory join in progress ...

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Recently I have switched my GC and started over the GC hunting log.
There are some mobs could only be found at the beginning of the dungeon,
therefore "mandatory join in progrss" will cause issue in this situation.