Lack of Spell Line; When is it Coming?

As a long time fan of Final Fantasy, I've always had a love for water based spells and techniques in the games. Shouldn't come as a surprise then that Leviathan is my favorite summon from the series, and am extremely excited for the Leviathan egi for the Summoner in the future.

What I'm more concerned about, at this point, is the lack of water abilities this game currently has to offer, and the only water spell that XIV has currently has very limited usefulness. Fluid Aura; why can't it be on the same level as other spells in the CNJ/WHM repertoire? It's best use is in soloing when an enemy gets too close so that it can be blasted backward. How often do tanks and DPS want you to use this in a dungeon? Pretty sure that answer is never.

My hope is that CNJ and WHM can receive a better water spell in a future update, maybe in the expansion or something. Or, an alternative, let a new class and/or job also take on the water line as well, possibly a Red Mage which could learn Water I and Water II instead of Fluid Aura. (And then maybe give Water II to CNJ!)

You're right. As a Conjurer, we started with Earth and eventually learned Air and Water. Both Earth and Air have been expanded with the spells Stone II and Areo II. What about a 2nd Water spell?

Might as well throw these too while they're at it...

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...Hwb7qg0d5xBtoQ

But seriously elemental attacks are nothing special since there's no "Super Effective".

The low number of skills available to the class is by design.

Note that even though you have Aero II, Aero is still useful. The concept is to keep down the amount of useless clutter in the skillset by creating fewer skills that maintain their functionality for the long haul, rather than a bunch of skills you ultimately throw away once the next upgrade comes in.

So, you likely won't get any expansion on the skills you have until the next raise in level cap. Which, in my personal opinion, is just fine. I play on a controller, for my alt character (Arcanist) as well as my Main (Dragoon) And on both classes, I already feel like expanse of the controller is somewhat strained without extensive macro programming. It will be difficult going forward as the skills evolve, making me wonder what all they are going to do to keep the Controller-using base from being overwhelmed. Whey they do add skills, I hope they do so intelligently, continuing with the 'less is more' approach they have set in motion here.

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Originally Posted by Taeyee

Might as well throw these too while they're at it...

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...Hwb7qg0d5xBtoQ

But seriously elemental attacks are nothing special since there's no "Super Effective".

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There are only 8 elements in this game, and no more will surely come about. Fire, Ice, Water, Thunder, Wind, Earth, Light, and Dark. This is not, and will not, be Pokemon.

Whether there are "Super Effective" abilities or not, I simply pointed out the desire for another water spell, hopefully one with more use than Fluid Aura. Because, you know, it's such an AMAZING spell for boss fights. >.>

Water spells were in the old version but were taken out entirely around patch 1.19 in preparation for the job system back in the day, it was funny because all the water enhancing gear was left in the game but it didn't do anything anymore, then Water was somewhat reinstated and renamed Fluid Aura in 2.0. It's just another silly design decision just like elemental damage not mattering anymore, though I also still hope they eventually reintroduce the actual spell line one day.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

The low number of skills available to the class is by design.

So, you likely won't get any expansion on the skills you have until the next raise in level cap. Which, in my personal opinion, is just fine. I play on a controller, for my alt character (Arcanist) as well as my Main (Dragoon) And on both classes, I already feel like expanse of the controller is somewhat strained without extensive macro programming. It will be difficult going forward as the skills evolve, making me wonder what all they are going to do to keep the Controller-using base from being overwhelmed. Whey they do add skills, I hope they do so intelligently, continuing with the 'less is more' approach they have set in motion here.

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Until the expansion, that is a very reasonable answer.

And I have to agree with you on the controller. Once we get an expansion I probably will run out of room on my cross hotbar as a WHM.

Sadly, Conjurer lost a lot of skills due to 2.0: http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter

THM 1.0 became ARC
CNJ 1.0 became THM
CNJ+THM 1.0 became CNJ 2.0

Since the elemental wheel is gone now, they'd need to alter the utility a bit. Maybe Water II could be a less powerful Fire II, with a minor added effect. Change Fluid Aura's name back to Water.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Sadly, Conjurer lost a lot of skills due to 2.0: http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter

THM 1.0 became ARC
CNJ 1.0 became THM
CNJ+THM 1.0 became CNJ 2.0

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You got Rez at 38? Ouch.

Honestly, rather sticking to the whole "This mob is weak against this element" mantra, which I am feeling at this point is a pretty old and worn out concept, I'd like to see them give each element more identity. We're starting to see the makings of that here in the sets we do have, but as they move forward, I'd like to see further expanse on that - and to expand the usefulness of each element independently.

As far as Red Mage, it would have to be built from the ground up differently than the current mages we have, to utilize its Iconic front-line role that was fairly shunned in ARR's MMO predecessor.

Wait for Geomancer, Levi Egi, & Level-Cap Raise.

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Originally Posted by Luxx

You got Rez at 38? Ouch.

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No, but we did get Raise at 38.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Sadly, Conjurer lost a lot of skills due to 2.0: http://www.final-fantasy-14.org/abil...&submit=Filter

THM 1.0 became ARC
I would like some kind of nature-elementalist as a second job for CNJ rather like how arcanist is split at the moment.

CNJ 1.0 became THM
CNJ+THM 1.0 became CNJ 2.0

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Wow that's just too many skills. Something some games suffered from. having a smaller skill set but more unique is much better game design (in my opinion). I'd like CNJ to have a damage job too.

Fluid aura is extremely useful by the way. If an enemy is already cornered, free DPS is great, and most primals and enemies like that are immune to the effect, so it's just free DPS either way you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

No, but we did get Raise at 38.

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Don't bother with nitpicking words please.
Reminds me of the whole DPS/DD thing lol.

Kinda wish we had the re-rez thing too. There's a lack of skills in general for me in this game imo.
:c

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Originally Posted by Saccharin

Wow that's just too many skills. Something some games suffered from. having a smaller skill set but more unique is much better game design (in my opinion).

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Ya they bloated the skill list for THM and CON in 1.0 honestly if you look at the list of skills they had you could easily turn them into 4-5 classes without having to add any more skills from the list of two shown.

Fluid Aura makes up a large part of WHM/CNJ's dps and not using it is a damn shame. For both Rafflesia and The Avatar, use Cleric Stance, Aero, Fluid Aura (off-GCD), Aero II, turn off Cleric Stance every 30 seconds to help your party meet the dps checks.

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Originally Posted by GaiaGuardian

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My guess is when they raise the level cap. What I would like to see is a small DoT with Additional Effect: Increases healing of the enemie's target by 10% (doesn't stack if on multiple targets). Possibly the level 55 WHM ability (if cap is only raised to 55).

As an aside, I also wouldn't mind seeing bosses get stacking buffs based off party deaths. Such as in Ifrit Extreme, Ifrit gains a stacking 15s DET buff if a party member is killed.

I wish the dps spells a whm uses were more centered around water and holy rather than stone. Stone is so dull IMO.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I wish the dps spells a whm uses were more centered around water and holy rather than stone. Stone is so dull IMO.

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Stone, Stone II, and Stoneskin.

I think SE was trying to say something when they wanted all this stoning to happen. Or, in SS's case, stoned. :p

water will come when they add geomancer

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Fluid Aura makes up a large part of WHM/CNJ's dps and not using it is a damn shame. For both Rafflesia and The Avatar, use Cleric Stance, Aero, Fluid Aura (off-GCD), Aero II, turn off Cleric Stance every 30 seconds to help your party meet the dps checks.

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Fluid Aura: Miss

Yep...lots of added DPS there...

I often try to DPS on Levi EX, and I see this happen all the time:

Aero: Miss. Aero: Miss. Aero 2: Miss. Aero <damage!>. Aero: 2 Miss. "Ohh, look, add is casting, better use" Fluid Aura: Miss "%$@Y&#@Y"

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Fluid Aura: Miss

Yep...lots of added DPS there...

I often try to DPS on Levi EX, and I see this happen all the time:

Aero: Miss. Aero: Miss. Aero 2: Miss. Aero <damage!>. Aero: 2 Miss. "Ohh, look, add is casting, better use" Fluid Aura: Miss "%$@Y&#@Y"

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That's why all of the new healer gear has Accuracy on it. Trust me, as a SCH, it's not fun missing 1/3 of my Energy Drains.