GLA the new PLD?

Just had 2 brayflox longstop DF parties where both the tanks were GLA, is this a trend that people start seeing where some people don't even unlock their jobs?
The first tank was sporting lv 25 heavy armor set and we've didn't even clear the first trash before the WHM and I died, never cleared the first boss.
Second tank was in lv 23 iron scale armor and kept running in circles around the mob so my MNK couldn't land flank/rear attacks, cleared second boss before I left and he didn't even loot the green tank drop.

Is this a problem other people are experiencing, undergeared and jobless people in 30+ dungeons? I tried to talk to them and to get their attention, but no respons.

Lazy people not doing their class quests or wanting to level another to 15.

You can have your job crystal as early as Haukke Manor. Although I don't expect it. But Brayflox, there's no good excuse for not having it and you should be ridiculed for not having it at that point.

It's true that there're a lot of unexperienced players, or players that don't keep their gear updated (which is their own responsability). I try to give them some advice if needed, but some of them just don't listen/answer.

For Brayflox, I find it's not terribly uncommon to find people without their Job - and for the most part it doesn't actually affect a lot of classes that much (a small amount of statistical boost is nice but most of the L30 Job skills aren't that urgent, like Sword Oath). I usually tell them they should go pick up their Job before getting much further in the story, but that's about it.

At Titan or Qarn onwards... it can start causing problems. The worst issue I've had was a Gladiator in Stone Vigil, who kept insisting he didn't need his job. After we wiped three times before the first boss because he literally couldn't keep hate or kept dying due to a complete lack of defenses (he was also somewhat undergeared), I think his tune changed.

I'm kind of surprised there isn't a 'hard lock' shortly before or after Brayflox, where the story forces a player to have a Job Crystal in order to proceed the main questline (the way that at one point super early you have to upgrade your equipment to at least level 5 in certain slots, to prove you understand the system's in place)

It's just my playstyle, but I couldn't continue past 30 until I unlocked the job for the class I was leveling. I don't know why people don't want to out in the little effort to improve their class/job, but to each their own.

I've ran into my share of jobless people as far up as Stone Vigil. There is an obvious difference when that gla left and we got a paladin. It was extraordinary. If I remember properly, Yoshi described a job as something to use when in a party setting, and the class for solo play. This was back in 1.0 though. Same concept applies now, but jobs can still be more effective than the base class regardless of the "extra" ability slots.

Sword/Shield Oath are for wimps! :rolleyes:

That or they could be newbies and didn't know you had to unlock.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

jobs can still be more effective than the base class regardless of the "extra" ability slots.

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Honestly, the number of actually useful crossclass skills that would improve a base class that they lose out on in the process of going into full Job is minimal. There's exceptions - for instance, MRD can grab Raging Strikes, Blood For Blood, Straight Shot, probably other things I'm forgetting, and just go to town as a DPS (considering they also have Berserk/Maim/etc.). But that's the exception, not the rule, really; most lose access to only one or two abilities of worth anyway.

If it were just the job abilities, most classes don't actually get super useful ones until 35/40 (WHM only gets Presence of Mind as their 30, when Raging Strikes/Internal Release arguably are more powerful), and it might actually make sense to delay - but there's also the stat boosts to factor in, and before long the job-exclusive actions are just too essential to your role.

I leveled my blm as thm, because Convert, freeze don't increased my damage, but i had got raging strike, blood for blood, internal release, Cure/physick and stoneskin.

But at lvl 44 i changed because i got the trait "firestarter".

If you are blaming about one tank in brayflox, imagine a tank wearing ilvl 30 and dps jewelry on Dezmael or Aurum vale :D

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Originally Posted by rappa

I leveled my blm as thm, because Convert, freeze don't increased my damage, but i had got raging strike, blood for blood, internal release, Cure/physick and stoneskin.

But at lvl 44 i changed because i got the trait "firestarter".

If you are blaming about one tank in brayflox, imagine a tank wearing ilvl 30 and dps jewelry on Dezmael or Aurum vale :D

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Your job crystal gives you about 5% more of your main stat. It's about as significant as pouring your bonus points into it.

That flat 5% increase far outweighs any cross skill that lasts only a couple of seconds.

This is nothing new. I once saw a GLA while doing Garuda storyline.

I'm guessing they FATE their way to the required story instances, then because tanks get invited instantly, simply fail to progress toward their jobs.

I honestly couldn't imagine doing Brey+ on my tank without the job unlocked the skills and boosts really allow me to do my job effectively tho I have seen a lot who do those on the classes, it's unreal I usually don't even step into hakkure on any class unless the job is unlocked but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Your job crystal gives you about 5% more of your main stat. It's about as significant as pouring your bonus points into it.

That flat 5% increase far outweighs any cross skill that lasts only a couple of seconds.

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I know that, but each 60 secs you are using BfB, each 45 secs, internal release, each 100 secs raging strike.
A trash mob may be killed in that time, when you are in front of another pack, your cd's is up.

5% vs 10%(BfB) + 10% crit(IR) + 20%(RS) during a few seconds.

Had a 37 GLA the other day in Brayflox when trying to get my book done. I could maybe have lived with it if he had ever even tried to hold aggro. We didn't even clear the second trash pack. Then, when everyone was leaving, he chimed in with "I'm as awesome as my team" or some such crap. . .Yeah, fun times.

Oh man this reminds me of the Conjurer I had in Stone Vigil. He hadn't unlocked WHM, and hadn't bothered to do any class quests so he didn't have anything better than Cure 1. It was so sad.

Yes level 43 gld in stone vigil told him to go unlock pld and try again.

It would be nice if the classes had some use without the job crystals. I mean, what's the point in even having the classes go beyond level 30? Why not have the class cap at 30 and then have the jobs start at level 1 and go to level 20 but encompass everything you'd have gotten with those last 20 levels of the class anyway?

If/when they unlock new jobs for existing classes, won't everyone automatically be level 50 in those jobs, due to this odd system?

Could be bots

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Originally Posted by TheRogueX

If/when they unlock new jobs for existing classes, won't everyone automatically be level 50 in those jobs, due to this odd system?

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This is kinda what I fear, if they make 2nd job for classes like ACN has, we don't get to experience them through the levels because we already have them at 50, we only have to complete the job quests for abilities and artifact armor. 2-3 hours and we're done with that job, then it's just getting the raid gear for it.

On topic, I just had a PLD in brayflox, the HP was very different than the two GLAs. The GLAs had HP around 1100, same as the WHM in party, but the PLD I had in the latest party had 1700 HP, huge difference.(Could also be because of better gear)

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

On topic, I just had a PLD in brayflox, the HP was very different than the two GLAs. The GLAs had HP around 1100, same as the WHM in party, but the PLD I had in the latest party had 1700 HP, huge difference.(Could also be because of better gear)

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That's definitely a gear difference, not just a job difference. The extra VIT from your job definitely helps, but a gladiator who's got the same HP as a WHM is definitely not carrying optimal gear.

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Originally Posted by Ddmk

Could be bots

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That's what I'm beginning to suspect sometimes. When tank is not only unresponsive but also above 30, no job and not using flash or overpower. Ran into a couple of these, one in haukke, another in brayflox, another in sastasha.

Also that derp marauder liked to spin the dragon around, suspecting it is programmed like that to avoid dragon breath or boss aoe but it gives the healer and dps a hard time. Either that or they were trolling us pretty hard.

And the healer and dps just want to get through their roulette / dungeon and don't want to abandon. It's like they indirectly hold the party hostage.

Something needs to be done, they could be mutating.

I don't know why people don't do this. For me personally, I was excited to upgrade to dragoon/monk. Felt like that's where the game really began to open up, and every thing before it was just mundane tutorial/training wheels crap.

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Originally Posted by Rakashu

I don't know why people don't do this. For me personally, I was excited to upgrade to dragoon/monk. Felt like that's where the game really began to open up, and every thing before it was just mundane tutorial/training wheels crap.

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it is easier to solo pve as class , eventually go into group dungeon with class is not bad, but gear need to be up to date

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

it is easier to solo pve as class , eventually go into group dungeon with class is not bad, but gear need to be up to date

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Only if you're leveling multiple classes. When I leveled to 50 on BRD, the only other class I had leveled was PGL to unlock BRD, so I had no other cross-class. As such, the job was the way to go just for the stat boost.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Only if you're leveling multiple classes. When I leveled to 50 on BRD, the only other class I had leveled was PGL to unlock BRD, so I had no other cross-class. As such, the job was the way to go just for the stat boost.

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sorry for not say it clearly, but ofc that is only if you lvl multi class to have multi cross skill ability, if ARC is your only class then BRD is better and have more benefit

I had a cnj show up in Brayflox about a week ago...Brayflox HM. Yeah...

They simply doesn't know that they are expected to get a job and/or do not know how to. Have had alot of these people in Brayflox.

^This. I see plenty of people that do not know they can unlock a job or how to do it. They also probably do not know they should do class quests every 5 levels. Had a gladiator like that in Stone Vigil last night. We still managed to complete it though (the healer was super awesome).

Unlocking a job is rare to Final Fantasy I've never seen an mmorpg have such requirements. Honestly unlock jobs don't make any sense at all. I thought they were just MORE jobs not WHERE YOU MUST GO. Lucky for me I wanted to be a paladin (I was in FFXI) so I researched and found out. I feel sorry for those who don't know and get ridiculed. That could have been me looking the idiot just luck it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by JemC

Unlocking a job is rare to Final Fantasy I've never seen an mmorpg have such requirements. Honestly unlock jobs don't make any sense at all. I thought they were just MORE jobs not WHERE YOU MUST GO. Lucky for me I wanted to be a paladin (I was in FFXI) so I researched and found out. I feel sorry for those who don't know and get ridiculed. That could have been me looking the idiot just luck it wasn't.

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Unlocking jobs has been a recurring theme, one way or another, since the very first Final Fantasy game...

I had at least 3 dungeons with 40-48 Gladiators, after the first two trash pulls i usually leave because everyone has hate besides the useless tank. Of course when you try to talk them they never answer or even consider doing anything.

Unlocking jobs is not widely known, outside the scope of ff. Most used the alt route, very very few used one character for all classes/jobs. Avoid ridicule of players who may be very fresh to FF and/or fresh to MMOs, when in doubt ask politely, it's really not hard to be civil, is it?

When I was a level 32+ gla, Making my way back to town to get my job stone I queued up.

I got the that dungeon in a roulette, my gear was about the same. I personally was hoping for something lower to boost my level.

That 30-35 range anything can happen. People may have tried the level 30 quest and fell on there face and want an extra level or 2 to insure the win and the quickest way to do that is a roulette low level.