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    Kisshu's Avatar
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    Nica Kisshu
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 100

    GLA the new PLD?

    Just had 2 brayflox longstop DF parties where both the tanks were GLA, is this a trend that people start seeing where some people don't even unlock their jobs?
    The first tank was sporting lv 25 heavy armor set and we've didn't even clear the first trash before the WHM and I died, never cleared the first boss.
    Second tank was in lv 23 iron scale armor and kept running in circles around the mob so my MNK couldn't land flank/rear attacks, cleared second boss before I left and he didn't even loot the green tank drop.

    Is this a problem other people are experiencing, undergeared and jobless people in 30+ dungeons? I tried to talk to them and to get their attention, but no respons.
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Lazy people not doing their class quests or wanting to level another to 15.

    You can have your job crystal as early as Haukke Manor. Although I don't expect it. But Brayflox, there's no good excuse for not having it and you should be ridiculed for not having it at that point.
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    Lucille Wallace
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    Siren
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    It's true that there're a lot of unexperienced players, or players that don't keep their gear updated (which is their own responsability). I try to give them some advice if needed, but some of them just don't listen/answer.
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    Garlyle's Avatar
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Fisher Lv 70
    For Brayflox, I find it's not terribly uncommon to find people without their Job - and for the most part it doesn't actually affect a lot of classes that much (a small amount of statistical boost is nice but most of the L30 Job skills aren't that urgent, like Sword Oath). I usually tell them they should go pick up their Job before getting much further in the story, but that's about it.

    At Titan or Qarn onwards... it can start causing problems. The worst issue I've had was a Gladiator in Stone Vigil, who kept insisting he didn't need his job. After we wiped three times before the first boss because he literally couldn't keep hate or kept dying due to a complete lack of defenses (he was also somewhat undergeared), I think his tune changed.

    I'm kind of surprised there isn't a 'hard lock' shortly before or after Brayflox, where the story forces a player to have a Job Crystal in order to proceed the main questline (the way that at one point super early you have to upgrade your equipment to at least level 5 in certain slots, to prove you understand the system's in place)
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    Last edited by Garlyle; 05-27-2014 at 05:45 AM.

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    RowanLauron's Avatar
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    Rowan Lauron
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 100
    It's just my playstyle, but I couldn't continue past 30 until I unlocked the job for the class I was leveling. I don't know why people don't want to out in the little effort to improve their class/job, but to each their own.

    I've ran into my share of jobless people as far up as Stone Vigil. There is an obvious difference when that gla left and we got a paladin. It was extraordinary. If I remember properly, Yoshi described a job as something to use when in a party setting, and the class for solo play. This was back in 1.0 though. Same concept applies now, but jobs can still be more effective than the base class regardless of the "extra" ability slots.
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    Cress Albane
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Sword/Shield Oath are for wimps!

    That or they could be newbies and didn't know you had to unlock.
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    Alvis Yune
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    Adamantoise
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    Fisher Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by RowanLauron View Post
    jobs can still be more effective than the base class regardless of the "extra" ability slots.
    Honestly, the number of actually useful crossclass skills that would improve a base class that they lose out on in the process of going into full Job is minimal. There's exceptions - for instance, MRD can grab Raging Strikes, Blood For Blood, Straight Shot, probably other things I'm forgetting, and just go to town as a DPS (considering they also have Berserk/Maim/etc.). But that's the exception, not the rule, really; most lose access to only one or two abilities of worth anyway.

    If it were just the job abilities, most classes don't actually get super useful ones until 35/40 (WHM only gets Presence of Mind as their 30, when Raging Strikes/Internal Release arguably are more powerful), and it might actually make sense to delay - but there's also the stat boosts to factor in, and before long the job-exclusive actions are just too essential to your role.
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  8. #8
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    Pande Monium
    World
    Odin
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 60
    I leveled my blm as thm, because Convert, freeze don't increased my damage, but i had got raging strike, blood for blood, internal release, Cure/physick and stoneskin.

    But at lvl 44 i changed because i got the trait "firestarter".

    If you are blaming about one tank in brayflox, imagine a tank wearing ilvl 30 and dps jewelry on Dezmael or Aurum vale
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  9. #9
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by rappa View Post
    I leveled my blm as thm, because Convert, freeze don't increased my damage, but i had got raging strike, blood for blood, internal release, Cure/physick and stoneskin.

    But at lvl 44 i changed because i got the trait "firestarter".

    If you are blaming about one tank in brayflox, imagine a tank wearing ilvl 30 and dps jewelry on Dezmael or Aurum vale
    Your job crystal gives you about 5% more of your main stat. It's about as significant as pouring your bonus points into it.

    That flat 5% increase far outweighs any cross skill that lasts only a couple of seconds.
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    Last edited by LunarEmerald; 05-27-2014 at 07:45 AM.

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    Ragnus Ironhand
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 60
    This is nothing new. I once saw a GLA while doing Garuda storyline.

    I'm guessing they FATE their way to the required story instances, then because tanks get invited instantly, simply fail to progress toward their jobs.
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