Scholar gimped by macros?

Few questions about scholars.

Well a few basic ones, what exactly does steady do? Does it not allow your pet to do anything unless you give it a command? I always use obey, so I always kind of question what steady actually does.

So, if my pets in obey, it will still cast embrace when a teammate is low right? If so, you will always have to deal with waiting for your pet at some points in order to give it commands.

My main questions: Do macros gimp you as a scholar; if so, how? I use adlo+embrace, and physik+embrace, then I combined rouse and whispering dawn. The feys I just press manually and use them at the same time usually, but I notice I have to wait forever for them to activate sometimes, I guess because EOS is embracing someone.

I was reading reddit earlier and there was a lot of down voting on a guy who used similar macros that I use. I saw the macros on mr happys sch guide, and am new to healing, so Ive just always used these macros.

Im getting more interested in my scholar now so Im trying to be as effective as possible.

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Oh, and I used to have the feys on a macro together, but it seemed to take forever and distracted me from healing. Are there any skills that require EOS to be right next to you? Because I noticed with fey EOS would fly over to me then cast them. Or, did this happen because I had EOS on heel? Should I be placing my pet somewhere to prevent skill delays from occurring?

Hope I can answer some of this.

So, Obey just makes your pet only use Embrace, and nothing else automatically. You'll have to manually activate Whispering Dawn and the others.

Steady isn't usually very useful, but in some fights you don't want Eos/Selene curing at ALL until a certain point so they don't pull aggro. Steady will prevent them using anything, even Embrace until you say so. I've used it in Ultima before and T2, but lately I haven't bothered at all.

Personally I don't like macroing Embrace with Physick or Adlo. I put Embrace on my hotbar and manually spam it and Physick/Adlo at the same time. I find a lot of the time there are party members who need healing but I can't always stop healing the tank. In these cases I let Eos take care of the party if they aren't super critical HP, while I keep the tank topped up. If you have Embrace macro'd to Physick you may have a hard time getting Eos to cure someone you aren't manually curing.

Rouse+Whispering Dawn is a great macro I think is always worth having together. I add in Fey Illumination (the healing buff one, that's the name right?) for extra oomph, but you don't *NEED* it. In fact, some times I'll be hesitant to use Whispering Dawn like this because I don't want to blow Fey until I really need it. I could either just deal with it as is, make two macros, one with and one without Fey, or just put it on it's own ability slot, which I have few of. But personally I like having them all together, that way when I need AoE heals I press one button and it just happens after two seconds or so.

I wouldn't put the Fey Covenant on a macro with it though. As nice as it is to have absolutely everything on one button, this one is nice to use by itself. Not to mention with the extra ability, Eos will be sitting there using abilities for a solid 6+ seconds.

It takes a bit of fidgeting with your macro to get it to work but I've got a working version if you'd like it. The problem normally is that yes, even if you macro it all together Eos will still interrupt it with Embrace. Someone figured out they could fix it by adding in a /stay command. This bugged me because it made my fairy stay, and I'd forget about her and she'd get de-summoned, so I fixed it.

/macroicon "Whispering Dawn" pet Eos
/ac "rouse"
/pac stay
/pac "Fey Illumination"
/wait
/pac stay
/pac "Whispering Dawn"
/wait 2.5
/pac heel


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Some useful things to macro would be basically all your DPS abilities to <t> and then <tt>. That way you can dps who ever the tank has selected and switch back to healing pretty easily. I also really want to (and should get around to) adding /pac "Embrace" <f> to every single DPS ability as well. This way if I DO have an enemy targeted I can still get Eos to heal my focus target who would be the tank. Since Eos only heals at about 70-80% HP, this could be insanely useful.

Adding <t> then <tt> to Virus and Eye for an Eye can be great as well, along with an announcement and sound effect in party chat, just so nobody else wasted Virus. Energy Drain is great for this too to easily get MP back while never de-selecting the tank.

Also I don't know if you use a controller/gamepad or not, but you can make an ability change your cross-hotbar (maybe even your regular hotbar on PC, not sure) . So you can make two Cleric Stance macros and two hotbars. One for healing and one for DPS. Using the macro on your healing hotbar will put you in Cleric Stance and switch your hotbar to #2 or what ever your DPS hotbar is, and using the one on your DPS hotbar will take you out of Cleric Stance and put you back on your #1 healing hotbar. VERY useful for saving some room on your main hotbar

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Originally Posted by peaches

Steady isn't usually very useful, but in some fights you don't want Eos/Selene curing at ALL until a certain point so they don't pull aggro. Steady will prevent them using anything, even Embrace until you say so.

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False. Still does Embrace.

Steady functionally does nothing for SCH that Obey doesn't already do.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

False. Still does Embrace.

Steady functionally does nothing for SCH that Obey doesn't already do.

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Well if not Steady, there is one command that prevents them using Embrace. Or at least there used to be. The last time I did this was back before 2.1 I believe. Our tank in T2 would ask us not to heal and make sure I put my fairy on Steady, or which ever command is the one that does it. And true to how it should work, Eos wasn't healing the tank at even 50-70% Hp. I'd open with two Lustrates and tell Eos to heal again. I don't know if they broke it or something, because that sounds broken

Has never been that way. The one way you prevent them from doing nothing is to spam any pet command (usually Stay, Heel, or Obey). Interrupts casting.

thanks peaches you cleared some stuff up for me. and i already have the virus/eye macros, they are really convenient. your "fix" macro, in the middle, wait doesn't have a time. was that intentional, or should it be 2.5 like the other one? and i thought decimals didn't work, i thought that it rounded. could you explain to me what the macro does exactly as well? thanks

Wait without a number defaults to wait 1. Wait decimals round up.

Eos will cast Embrace onj any member of ur party below 70% or something. Deal with it. I make some macro that can help u a bit if u want instant casting whisp dawn. Obey is a must. I use for that Steady command which interrupts Eos or Selene Embrace. The key is the fairy needs to be on Guard on all the time because if u hit Steady command when ur fairy is already on it, it won't work. There u go :

/micon "Whispering Dawn"
/pac Steady
/ac Rouse
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>
/wait 6
/pac Guard

little explanation : when u hit ur macro button Eos/Selene will almost immediately stop casting Embrace bcoz of Steady command and will start casting Whisp Down in the same time when u will Rouse her. After casting whisp dawn she will change to Guard after 6 seconds to be ready on whisp when cd will end.

btw. u can set macro like that to the two other fairy's skills. just use /wait 2 instead of 6 bcoz they are instant while whispering dawn is not.
I use it from few months already.
hope it will help a bit

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Originally Posted by Kimura410

thanks peaches you cleared some stuff up for me. and i already have the virus/eye macros, they are really convenient. your "fix" macro, in the middle, wait doesn't have a time. was that intentional, or should it be 2.5 like the other one? and i thought decimals didn't work, i thought that it rounded. could you explain to me what the macro does exactly as well? thanks

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Good question, I'll double check to be sure, although I believe the /wait is part of the original macro from somebody else, and the only things I changed was to add the /wait 2.5 and /pac heel. Bear in mind this only works if your fairy is set to Obey, which it sounds yours is.

What the macro does essentially is make you use Rouse (assuming you don't press the macro while you're casting, or else you'll have to spam it again once you're done casting to use Rouse) , make Eos stop using Embrace while she uses Fey Illumination, and then she uses Whispering Dawn. I'm not 100% sure how this is achieved, but it's something to do with the /wait and /pac stay. I don't know how it works, but it does. I've never once had Eos cast Embrace and interrupt her Whispering Dawn using this macro, even when the whole party is at about 30% from something like Ifrit's Hellfire, Titan's stomps, etc.

Credits for this macro goes to Croakstar and his guide, which I'll leave here for you to check out if you'd like.

Decimals do indeed work now, I'm almost positive of it. Try making a macro that uses two abilities on the GCD and only using /wait 2. You should get an Unable to Execute error because it's trying to use the second ability while the GCD is still up, but if you add /wait 2.5 which is the GCD time, it will work properly.

Also just a little tip I found out that you may or not need, they have added the ability to put the /wait command on the same line as an ability now, it is just formatted differently. This way you can free up so many lines and have a decent sized macro now, perfect for crafting. It goes something like this:

/pac "Embrace" <wait.2.5>

You have to put a decimal between the wait and the number, then just type in the number, and it works great.

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Originally Posted by peaches

Decimals do indeed work now, I'm almost positive of it. Try making a macro that uses two abilities on the GCD and only using /wait 2. You should get an Unable to Execute error because it's trying to use the second ability while the GCD is still up, but if you add /wait 2.5 which is the GCD time, it will work properly.

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...You do know what "round up" means? Saying 2.5 works where 2 doesn't... doesn't prove anything. Because 2.5 rounds up to 3.

Make a wait 2.5 macro. Make a wait 3 macro. Watch it be exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Has never been that way. The one way you prevent them from doing nothing is to spam any pet command (usually Stay, Heel, or Obey). Interrupts casting.

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Actually prior to 2.1 Steady would prevent your fairy from doing any actions including Embrace (I believe) while Guard was basically a semi-Sic stance where your fairy would blow her CD's. It's the reason Summon macro's back then had an Obey> Steady combo mixed in to prevent her from doing so. However 2.1 made Steady and Guard functionally identical so it doesn't matter what you go with now.

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Originally Posted by Hilaroux

/micon "Whispering Dawn"
/pac Steady
/ac Rouse
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>
/wait 6
/pac Guard

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I wouldn't use the /wait 6 > Guard. It can easily get broken if you use any other macros, I suggest this:

/micon "Whispering Dawn"
/pac Steady
/pac Guard
/ac Rouse
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>

It'll give you the desired effect you want since the Steady and Guard lines will jump to whichever one isn't grayed out then proceed to cast WD as normal.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

Actually prior to 2.1 Steady would prevent your fairy from doing any actions including Embrace (I believe)

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Fairy always embraced regardless of stance from 2.0 onwards.

As for pet macros, I never use them, because all my primary actions are all macro's (mouse-over goodness), so the last thing I want is physick cancelling out something I need my pet to do.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

Fairy always embraced regardless of stance from 2.0 onwards.

As for pet macros, I never use them, because all my primary actions are all macro's (mouse-over goodness), so the last thing I want is physick cancelling out something I need my pet to do.

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Ah my mistake then, I got into Sch later in the game so I didn't get to experience 2.0 fairy much. Also you don't have to worry about your macro's cancelling your fairy's actions if you did use'em. Fairy macro commands operate independently from yours so they can even share the same 'line' in a macro without overwriting each-other. However using another macro while a /wait is in process will break it which is why I avoid them, also they're much slower.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

...You do know what "round up" means? Saying 2.5 works where 2 doesn't... doesn't prove anything. Because 2.5 rounds up to 3.

Make a wait 2.5 macro. Make a wait 3 macro. Watch it be exactly the same.

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Wow, someone is snarky. No need to be hostile. Okay so decimals don't work. Does this make you feel like a big man? Well congrats, your comment was nearly as pointless a "FIRST1!!" comment.

I'm not sure where the snark is. I said decimals don't work. You said they did. I said that. Here we are.

Am I wrong?

Personally, the only healing macro I use is physick+embrace, because as a WHM main it's what feels the most natural to me (I pre-cast/cancel all the time). I find that comboing embrace onto everything locks the fairy up too often to reliably use its skills. For DoTs and Ruin (II) though, I use attach <t> and <tt> so I don't have to click off of whoever I'm healing.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

Actually prior to 2.1 Steady would prevent your fairy from doing any actions including Embrace (I believe) while Guard was basically a semi-Sic stance where your fairy would blow her CD's. It's the reason Summon macro's back then had an Obey> Steady combo mixed in to prevent her from doing so. However 2.1 made Steady and Guard functionally identical so it doesn't matter what you go with now.



I wouldn't use the /wait 6 > Guard. It can easily get broken if you use any other macros, I suggest this:

/micon "Whispering Dawn"
/pac Steady
/pac Guard
/ac Rouse
/pac "Whispering Dawn" <me>

It'll give you the desired effect you want since the Steady and Guard lines will jump to whichever one isn't grayed out then proceed to cast WD as normal.

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Yea that should work too! but I hadn't any problems with wiat 6 till now. Maybe because I use only macros on fairy so I never spam her skills one after another.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

I'm not sure where the snark is. I said decimals don't work. You said they did. I said that. Here we are.

Am I wrong?

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"you do know what round up means?" thats a whole lot of snark right there. All you had to state was that 2.5=3 in macros without needing to question someones intellect.

The best way to do it ive found is to macro Embrace on an adlo and phys, then leave an embrace all by itself (INCREDIBLY helpul for healing OT in Levi EX) also the rouse/whispering dawn is perfect too since they are on the same 60s cd. I like to keep Fey Illum for when i know i will need it so i dont macro that to anything. As scholars we are first and foremost Tank healers, if you have a whm in the party you really shouldnt need to heal up other party members that often with a single target heal so leaving a non macro heal is kind of a waste of hotbar space imo. But this is all up to you. I recommend at the LEAST macroing physic and embrace so you can single heal better. adlo is not as important because of the shield and can be wasted if you are using it to only prevent damage and not heal+prevent.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

I'm not sure where the snark is. I said decimals don't work. You said they did. I said that. Here we are.

Am I wrong?

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You are actually wrong, decimals do technically work.
They just round up.
:D