A bad community habit that needs to die

"I'd rather the dev team spend their time doing other things"

This sentence has been the bane of meaningful discussion for months and comes up in almost every suggestion thread that comes up from customization to content and everything in between. I even see posts like this in threads asking for things like a report button for when you blacklist someone!

Why do people think that if they choose to patch/add one thing they all of a sudden are incapable of adding anything else? The dev team is huge and they have whole teams dedicated to specific tasks, so that person asking for new vanity items / balance changes / quality of life changes? Yeah, that's not going to affect how soon we get new dungeons so stop making it out like it will.

This sentence adds nothing to the discussion.
This sentence does not stop the dev team from looking into suggestions.
This sentence is redundant.
Stop.

So is that your /rant ?

I'll have you know, some gamers know 100 times better how to develop and improve a game than the actual developers and/or producer. Their knowledge ranges from every single aspect of the game that is (or will be) developed to how to balance classes and the economy of a game, all this without breaking some other important aspects of the game (they are just so very smart). Now, I understand that you might be confused by this, maybe it is that our (including myself) minds are not as advanced as theirs and we are not able to see the big picture they are proposing. I can only hope to one of these days reach a level of enlightenment, at least a little close to that of these characters so I can also "suggest" an entire team, working on many aspects of a game (that are correlated), how, when and what to do, treating things as an isolated matter that doesn't involve other mechanics at all. (/sarcasm)

I'd rather the dev team do anything at all other than making minions. (Jewelry toggle, perhaps? or even new emotes? or even race unique battle stances?)

This is a habit that, sadly, never goes away.

I frequent another forum where the development staff for the game are actually very, very active (it's incredible given the size of the community and game), and they've explained several times that - to put it in XIV terms - "Putting the guy who works on the new gear models into trying to balance PvP isn't going to do a damn thing". Hell, there's a post like that every week or two. People still repeat the misconception over and over and over, because people think that 'working on a game' is one all-encompassing skillset.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I'd rather the dev team do anything at all other than making minions. (Jewelry toggle, perhaps? or even new emotes? or even race unique battle stances?)

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You are aware that there are different teams, right? There's likely a handful out of the hundreds/thousands of developers who work on minions.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I'd rather the dev team do anything at all other than making minions. (Jewelry toggle, perhaps? or even new emotes? or even race unique battle stances?)

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I just don't understand why anyone would want another uguu~kawaii meaningless pet that follows you around than actual quality of life changes, or actual character vanity.

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Originally Posted by swordrain

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I just don't understand why anyone would want another uguu~kawaii meaningless pet that follows you around than actual quality of life changes, or actual character vanity.

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Do you actually believe that the people who model minions are going to be familiar with the core programming of the repair system so they could implement a one-click-crafter repair?

This is exactly what this thread is talking about.

no they are modelers. so basically build models of things that actually matter? are you literally saying they have a whole team devoted to minions? that's absurd and a waste of money on their part.

Your thread is going to be trolled, they've already started to roll in ;)

I know what you mean, and I agree that such observations are pointless but ignorant people will always post something similar to that effect.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

or even new emotes?

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we have gotten new emotes with each major patch. 2.1 = /throw an some others i cant remember right now, 2.2 = new dances

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Originally Posted by rockso

are you literally saying they have a whole team devoted to minions? that's absurd and a waste of money on their part.

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yes they do. they have modelers, they recently said they hired a couple of guys to come up with ideas about the minions movements an behaviors, an somebody has to code them in. by my count that is at least 4 people, which i do believe would count as a "team"

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

Do you actually believe that the people who model minions are going to be familiar with the core programming of the repair system so they could implement a one-click-crafter repair?

This is exactly what this thread is talking about.

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nope, but they can stop paying one of those guys and hire another guy that can do the other thing. it's still ultimately about how they spend their budget.

You know what really needs to end? #complaining. That's what. Also... #complainingaboutcomplaining.

However, it is an completely legitimate use of time to complaining about people complaining about people complaining.

You know what really needs to end? Hashtags outside of twitter

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

You know what really needs to end? Hashtags outside of twitter

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haha... good luck with that project. #fail :rolleyes:

I think that every suggestion is important. Folks who are dedicated to their jobs sometimes take on personal projects - and that suggestion to add xyz just might become someone's personal project on the side.

I also don't believe the nonsense that players don't have an in-depth understanding of the game systems. This couldn't be farther from the truth, and many theorycrafters who receive no compensation for their time other than personal enjoyment have helped developers test and tweak systems for like... ever.

SE should take a lesson from Rift - the warrior lead blew off everyone's comments, and we are talking about serious guys with serious math skills - and he broke the class so badly when Storm Legion hit that Trion ended up firing him. Theorycrafters predicted it and tried to help him. SE has had just as dedicated a following if not MORE so than other games.

The thing is that for the most part this dev team has listened to the community quite well since 1.0 failed and although they could do a bit more to respond to our feedback, I quite like how the dev team listens to us. But now this has created these new people who chime in and tell the dev team to ignore feedback/suggestions because "They should focus only on things I deem important"

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

The thing is that for the most part this dev team has listened to the community quite well since 1.0 failed and although they could do a bit more to respond to our feedback, I quite like how the dev team listens to us. But now this has created these new people who chime in and tell the dev team to ignore feedback/suggestions because "They should focus only on things I deem important"

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Not really sure how much they listen. You also have to remember that they decided very early to go to Blizzard and see how they did it. /conspiracy ;p

At first I was just having fun with this thread, so I apologize if that came across as offensive. But in all seriousness... you're happy that the dev team is responsive to feedback & suggestions... yet you're not happy if someone else has a differing point of feedback or suggestion to what one would assume you have deemed important? Sounds a little hypocritical.

You misunderstand the attitude I dislike. The argument "They shouldn't add this because I want them to add other things I want" is counter productive because it can be said about every feature. More often than not it ends up filling threads with negativity instead of productive feedback.
A perfect example would be a thread I created a while back (which was not the catalyst of this thread) asking if the devs would look into adding an option for fingernail paint. What did my thread attract? First three responses

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Originally Posted by Murakamo

Not sure if there is enough interest to make devs feel worth while implementing

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Originally Posted by Wobble

Let's not waste time with something like this and do things that actually enhance the game.

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Originally Posted by Natandalus

Ascetically would be nice but Wobble is right ALOT more useful updates could be made

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This is what I don't like and I see it everywhere on this forum and it adds nothing of value and pours negativity into suggestion/feedback threads. And I don't see the hypocrisy in liking that the devs listen to us but dislike people telling them not to listen to us because the selfish want their's and only their's ideas implemented instead.

To be clear, I don't have a problem with posts that disagree with a suggestion or feedback or even posts saying something would be far too difficult or time consuming to implement but comments like those above contribute NOTHING and derail meaningful discussion.

Ah, very articulate post. But you're dealing with people & some people will always be meh. Trust the devs to weed through the garbage.

btw, you're suggestion for nail polish is a great one!