Yesterday's High Level Roulette Experience

Yesterday while doing my roulette as a tank (love the queue times) I ended up getting Haukke Manor Hard Mode. I took a look at the party and noticed that the black mage's name seemed very familiar for some reason, but just as I couldn't pin-point why, I ignored it.

We get to the hallway with the floor that electricity flows through and enemies will spawn when you walk on to it. Someone accidentally triggered some enemies or something, and so I just decided to pull the whole hallway, but I ended up dying. It was only then I noticed the white mage was pretty under geared with some pink gear still, and so I made sure to take it more slowly.

Anyways, we get to the boss with the disco floor lights and stuff and the white mage ends up dying some how, I didn't really see. Well, the black mage chimes in and says something like, "wtf kick this white mage" and the dismissal window came up to kick them out of the party.

It was then that I remembered who they were...

Months ago in a Titan Extreme party before 2.2 this very same black mage was being a real pain in the ass to everyone in the party. He eventually started calling out Titan's rotations and bitch to people saying "I'm not going to help you any more you need to figure it out on your own", something like that; basically acting like the entire party's success was in their hands and saying how much we all need him. Well, funny enough, he got hit with something and kept bad mouthing people or just being an overall pain in the ass. Eventually someone suggested to just kick them, to which he of course responded how much we need him in the party, and I gave him some response in return before he was kicked.

Fast forward back to yesterday, and I told him "I remember you now, you're that asshole in the Titan Extreme party I was in months ago that bitched to everyone and then got hit with everything", and proceeded to vote kick him for harassment, which of course went through almost instantly.

Turns out, this was the white mage's first time in the dungeon, so I reassured them and we got a new DPS pretty much right away and ended up finishing the dungeon just fine.

I won't disclose who they are, but they're actually from my server, I'm glad I got a chance to kick them. I can't imagine how many times people have got sick of them and kicked them as well, I would think by now they would try to be a nicer person, but I guess assholes will be assholes.

Is this your first mmo? Pls respond.

Nice one LeonBlade ^^ It feels great to get a little support from strangers going into new content!

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

Is this your first mmo? Pls respond.

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Yes it is, I started on PS3 back in beta phase 3 and currently play on PS4. I'm guessing you're asking because people like this are all over MMOs, I just wanted to share my experience with some people on the forums, I guess a better place for this thread was in the New Players section.

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Originally Posted by Velo_Vandore

Nice one LeonBlade ^^ It feels great to get a little support from strangers going into new content!

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I always love helping out new players, I'm glad the other DPS in the party didn't vote to kick the white mage out as well, I wouldn't want them to feel bad about themselves for being kicked out.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

"I remember you now, you're that asshole in the Titan Extreme party I was in months ago that bitched to everyone and then got hit with everything".

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Sounds like something I would say. /emote thumbs up to OP.

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Originally Posted by Taeyee

Sounds like something I would say. /emote thumbs up to OP.

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It's always nice to stick it to those players that really deserve it, I just wanted to share this experience to anyone that has encountered someone like this and hasn't really had the opportunity to give them what they deserve.

/thumbsup to you too!

Well done, it's about time people started giving new people a helping hand. My hat off to you miss

I am glad someone has the decency to be nice to a new player and not kick the whm for not having high level gear. Where were you when I first started playing?

Nicely handled Leonblade!!

People like that are annoying, what's more is they put off newer players to the game, I'm sure the white mage is extremely grateful! :)

I Roulette into a Main Scenario dungeon and the first thing I always ask as tank is, "Is anyone new." one day like three people said yes they were new. So I said to the party. "let's take it slow and let them enjoy this, its a fun dungeon and they should be able to experience it as it's meant to be experienced. So me as main tank, the off tank, two healers and a dps all start running the dungeon as normal and starting fighting the first set of mobs. The rest of the DPS's all use the materia device to teleport to the next section then realize we didn't go in with them. When they realized we were not rushing with them, they got frustrated and told us to skip everything. When all of us (Technically a majority) said no, we wanted to run the dungeon legit and finish everything and let the new guys watch their cutscenes, the three dpses left. leaving us 5 alone.


We actually had fun running it as a five man dungeon all the way up to Nero who ended up wiping us because of too many hands. But I sent an all call out to the Odin/Behe linkshell I'm a member of and some cool cats came and joined and let us go at the pace the new guys could enjoy. I think it was probably one of the first times new players got to see the mobs during the Magitek stomping scene in a while based off how fast everyone wants to run those dungeons. We still finished the dungeon in less than an hour and actually had fun not rushing it. The new guys thanks me and I walked out of the dungeon with 7 player commendations. which I was seriously shocked at.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

I won't disclose who they are, but they're actually from my server, I'm glad I got a chance to kick them. I can't imagine how many times people have got sick of them and kicked them as well, I would think by now they would try to be a nicer person, but I guess assholes will be assholes.

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Make a harassment ticket. This person will still keep doing it until they get warned off or permanently banned. We need a zero tolerance attitude to bad behaviour in this game to clean it up.

I congratulate you OP (and Praetorium person). Not enough awesome tanks like you guys. That's why I'm considering picking it up.

A similar experience happened a few days ago. I was on my i96 white mage doing the low level roulette. Well, I ended up with Toto Rak (for the third day in a row, but I digress). There was the tank who was maybe level 40, a black mage in the mid 30's, and an archer who had never been to that particular dungeon, and I'm guessing was around level 28-29.

Well, tank states he wants a speed run (of Toto Rak, I know right), so ok. We "speed run" the whole thing and get to the final boss room. We're standing there waiting for the archer (who was new to the dungeon) to watch her cut scene.

Well, the black mage decides to jump down to the boss area, which as you know, sucks everyone in, starting the dungeon. The poor archer was stuck outside locked out. She had a measly 30 seconds left of the cut scene.

I said, "really?" The black mage responds "yes, really." We finish, and the archer stated she was new and watching the cut scene. They locked her out from attempting the boss to save 30 damn seconds of their precious time. I told them it was rude of them to do that, and the response I got in defending the archer was to "quit crying." Unvelievable.

This is why you should be able to blacklist across server and not be matched with someone on your blacklist.

I saw the same thing this weekend where a BLM was bitchig, moaning, and calling people stupid but he was the only person who died due to not dodging aoes.
Oh... But I forgot, it was because the crappy healers didn't keep him stoneskinned through the fight.

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Originally Posted by Gnova

This is why you should be able to blacklist across server and not be matched with someone on your blacklist.

I saw the same thing this weekend where a BLM was bitchig, moaning, and calling people stupid but he was the only person who died due to not dodging aoes.
Oh... But I forgot, it was because the crappy healers didn't keep him stoneskinned through the fight.

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The worst players will always blame others, that's why they continue to be bad as their ego won't let them see their own mistakes to improve. XD

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

A similar experience happened a few days ago. I was on my i96 white mage doing the low level roulette. Well, I ended up with Toto Rak (for the third day in a row, but I digress). There was the tank who was maybe level 40, a black mage in the mid 30's, and an archer who had never been to that particular dungeon, and I'm guessing was around...

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I wouldn't have followed, those two would have died right there were I the healer. Even if I entered I'd have stopped healing right after he replied with "yes really" no one ruins baby archers first time.. >=C

We need more people like OP. People who actually care for new players.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

I wouldn't have followed, those two would have died right there were I the healer. Even if I entered I'd have stopped healing right after he replied with "yes really" no one ruins baby archers first time.. >=C

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I couldn't stop it. Once someone proceeds far enough in the room, there's this wind vortex thing that sucks everone on the platform in. The archer wasn't included because she was on the outside of the room wall. It's hard to describe. But, basically it sucked the three of us in, leaving the archer in her cut scene, then locked her out.

But, you're right, I could have refused to heal. That thought honestly didn't cross my mind at the time.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

I couldn't stop it. Once someone proceeds far enough in the room, there's this wind vortex thing that sucks everone on the platform in. The archer wasn't included because she was on the outside of the room wall. It's hard to describe. But, basically it sucked the three of us in, leaving the archer in her cut scene, then locked her out.

But, you're right, I could have refused to heal. That thought honestly didn't cross my mind at the time.

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That thought always cross my mind as healer and tank. Sunday I was leveling tank, the healer and 1 dps was new. I could tell because the where level 32 cnj and arc. The dungeon was brayflox and the other dps was a level 50 monk. I marked every mob 1-4 and the cnj even slept the other mobs. Sounds good so far right? After 3rd boss it went down hill fast. I stated I'm here for exp only and going to do a full clear. Then asked is That's ok? Archer and conjurer said yes and no answer from monkSo I pull a pugil it was only one. The monk was like Tank Pull More. Then proceeded to pull the 2 lizards and another pupil. I'm like wtf dude? He says he's pulling for me. The healer starts to heal him pulls aggro from one of lizards I provoked did my combo got hate. Monk pulls another group we wiped he said I was a bad tank and the healer sucked. So I the next time don't heal him and told the archer not to help dps if he pulls. Funny enough he did it again he died bad mouth us for wasting his precious time and got kicked.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

I congratulate you OP (and Praetorium person). Not enough awesome tanks like you guys. That's why I'm considering picking it up.

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I have my bad days of being a shitty tank that lets slip hate on accident or some such, might even result in a wipe. But one thing I refuse to do, is ruin a new persons first time. Too often I had mine ruined by high level healers and dps's forcing me to go faster than I was comfortable as as a new tank. I refuse to let someone else ruin the game for anyone new if I'm tanking for the new guy. I'll defend the little bambi's till my last hp is stripped from my body. That is what tanks do.

I really wish there was a Duty Finder for playing with people who don't want to berserk rush every second of the game.

They could add a toggle for "Speed Runs" like they have for "Join party in progress" except it launches you into the dungeon with no cut scenes. That way you have to opt in to do speed runs. Not opt out once your in the dungeon.

if they added that function they would have to give a HUGE bonus to tomes. the new people would always get stuck with new people and their dungeons would most likely fail. if you use duty finder.. you trade your in game experience for people who are progressed and geared and knowledgeable of the fights.. if you don't want this happening and just want to run it slow and easy.. you should prolly make a party finder cuz the vast majority are grinding.. I know it sounds harsh... but the person entering duty finder holding others up.. is just as rude as the person going in without them.

I havent done anything amazing for others even on my tank, for me if the majority wanna do it slow or something I dont mind. I do occasionally do dick things like kick someone in Praetorium for watching cut scenes when the rest of the party is like on Nero and they are back at the start. I am a middle man in my opinion, I dont mind doing things if everyone is cool with it but other things like last night where I had two guys talking about RL and slowing us up it was annoying, yes ok your gf might be pregnant cool you two can talk about that afterwards..I just wanna run this crap.

I hit my post limit yesterday, so I wasn't able to respond to any of you. Thank you for all your replies so far, it's nice to see some positive discussion about this, and it's really nice to read your own stories as well. I'd love to respond to you all individually, but I don't want to create a wall of text that no one will read. I'm looking forward to seeing any other positive discussion and reading your own stories.

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Originally Posted by Vallug

I do occasionally do dick things like kick someone in Praetorium for watching cut scenes when the rest of the party is like on Nero and they are back at the start.

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So, you recognize that it's a "dick" thing to do, but you do it anyways? I understand Square Enix has said you are allowed to kick players who aren't moving at the party's pace, but this is only to prevent from being held back. A fresh level 50 character enjoying his game isn't going to hold back a bunch of i90+ "speed runners" for their precious 80 myth tomes.

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Originally Posted by LeonBlade

So, you recognize that it's a "dick" thing to do, but you do it anyways? I understand Square Enix has said you are allowed to kick players who aren't moving at the party's pace, but this is only to prevent from being held back. A fresh level 50 character enjoying his game isn't going to hold back a bunch of i90+ "speed runners" for their precious 80 myth tomes.

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I skipped my cutscenes fresh as a 50. And yes it is but at the same time it is a daily roulette..and many times I am not ready to sit and take forever on a dungeon I have ran way to many times.

I applaud you, OP. Everyone is new at some point. You turned around the WHM's self confidence. Instead of letting him/her be berated, you created an environment that allowed them to be successful. And hopefully, the WHM got some new gear as a nice extra bonus.

Nice job LeonBlade!
I wish more players would stand up to bricks in DF. If they did, the community as a whole would be better.
^_^ Seriously, thanks for sharing and keep it up!

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Originally Posted by Vallug

I skipped my cutscenes fresh as a 50. And yes it is but at the same time it is a daily roulette..and many times I am not ready to sit and take forever on a dungeon I have ran way to many times.

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Well, some of us try to enjoy the games we pay for. And you are either lying, or a fool, because a "fresh 50" doesn't have Roulette: Main Scenario unlocked their first run through, its only unlocked after clearing it the first time.

I run my daily roulette everyday as a paladin, not every good gear (just blue artifact and i55 sword and some random shield) but I do hold aggro, and I let new players, or rather any players, enjoy their cutscenes. If enough people skip it, I continue on, if not, I wait. Those instances are very easy, and missing 2-3 people during a boss fight doesn't make a big difference. I just tell them that we are here to help THEM, they aren't here to help US. It isn't a difficult concept, you just don't have to be a myth obsessed sociopath.

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Originally Posted by Vallug

I skipped my cutscenes fresh as a 50. And yes it is but at the same time it is a daily roulette..and many times I am not ready to sit and take forever on a dungeon I have ran way to many times.

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Then why do it? Why waste your time? The reward isn't even worth it. 100 myth 1 run 30mins plus. Hell I can get that in 20mins in brayflox not even speedrunning. When I do DR as healer I understand there will be new people, hell that's why I do it because the rewards isnt worth it. So if I see someone watching a CS I just stand there and wait.

I tend to refuse to complete to the dungeon when people become too unbearably rude. I will typically warn them and ask them to be more polite however, if they get too bad I vote kick on the basis of harassment. I once had one guy join in progress 4 times to get back the rest of the party and i just waited 40 minutes along with the healer and dps until he gave up. Following that a new dps joined and we beat it quickly which was his main complaint. Now to the arguement of this is a MMO? or is this your first time playing an MMO. I don't think the word MMO gives people the right to be a jerk. The internet is typically a very hateful place because the behavior is allowed as not many people can do anything about it. I for one as a main tank PLD and WAR refuse to let anyone treat people like crap just because they do not like how a dungeon is going. If it is so unbearable they can always leave the duty. Anyhow just my two cents or rant on the topic.

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Originally Posted by swordrain

Well, some of us try to enjoy the games we pay for. And you are either lying, or a fool, because a "fresh 50" doesn't have Roulette: Main Scenario unlocked their first run through, its only unlocked after clearing it the first time.

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Youre right I didnt run it on daily the first time, my bad I forgot to say that. And to me it is no a dick move when majority wants to run through it, I watched the cutscenes later at the inn without any interruptions and it was perfect.