Dueling (Can I have it?), (You can have this) happy players

Can you add the option to challenge other players to a duel?
This would be great for pvp practice and also give something to do during Que times.
Its a win win.

I don't see how duels help someone practice for PvP since duels are 1 vs 1 while PvP has 4 vs 4. Ergo, a duel would not teach a player how to manage multiple situations at once when it comes to fighting multiple players.

Yea it isn't great for practice, but it is in fact possible to duel. It's also fun as hell to go against your FC mates 1v1. You have 15 whole minutes in there, enjoy em!

Get 7 friends, makes sure your two parties total ranks are within 3 levels, and que in german or french DF 4v4.

Have fun

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I don't see how duels help someone practice for PvP since duels are 1 vs 1 while PvP has 4 vs 4. Ergo, a duel would not teach a player how to manage multiple situations at once when it comes to fighting multiple players.

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Obv 4 vs 4 has more complicated mechanics.
Though, I think your missing the point.
It would give insight into how to handle certain classes.
Give you more experience fighting other players.
That is very beneficial.

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Originally Posted by WahPaw

Yea it isn't great for practice, but it is in fact possible to duel. It's also fun as hell to go against your FC mates 1v1. You have 15 whole minutes in there, enjoy em!

Get 7 friends, makes sure your two parties total ranks are within 3 levels, and que in german or french DF 4v4.

Have fun

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Open world dueling.

You've activated my trap card

Im not sure Open world Dual could or can work, first Sleep is an issues, in 1v1, While you can do much you could sleep them twice or thrice, with and just heal up, second, what about healers. that is going to be a long battle for 2 WHM, SCH can do a little more damage. What, are people just going to Spec their WHM to do damage.

Second Rank difference does not matter, For fairness and balance sync the PVP ranks and Level Ranks.

It would be not-so-serious fun. I approve.

Dueling means you're gonna see the person's name you're challenging.
=> Possibility of trash-talking
=> Goes against what SE wants (i.e their reason for the implementation of standardized names)

It also means they have to worry about 1v1 balance from all the whiners who don't realize PvP is not balanced for 1v1.

So, probably not gonna be implemented soon.

How about fixing the current state of PvP instead? That'd be kinda cool.

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People will trash-talk in any setting.

Not sure what your second point even means.

I don't think 1v1 balance is something SE would have to worry about. They could just pull a Blizzard and say outright that "Classes are not tuned for 1v1. That's just how it's gonna be."

As for "fixing the current state of PvP", I'd actually say duels would be a nice step. It adds more variety, and there are plenty of people who would take part in it. Even if the only reward is bragging rights amongst your friends. I'm happy with any expansion on PvP. Even if it's "just" for fun.

I know I'd be trashing my FC buddies in... just about all my downtime, ever.

Only if there was an opt-out of receiving duel requests. Getting spammed by people wanting to fight you all the time while going about your business would get very annoying, very quickly

Dueling would be nothing more than amusing time wasters that'll quickly get ignored, mostly due to how people won't jump at anything without a worthwhile reward attached to it.


Maybe if PVP got massive improvement, dueling would be feasible.

Of course 1 on 1 will make you better in pvp. You will learn how to deal more damage more easily, how to cc chain better and also when the battle becomes one on one you won't mess up and actually win because you know how to fight. To be a good team player you actually have to know how to be good by yourself, in anything.

Getting spammed by duel requests isn't much different than getting spammed by trade now'a'days no? Wouldn't it basically be the same?

Minor annoyance and unlikely scenario aside, I doubt 1 on 1 will make you that much better of a pvper. But at least we could finally test out morale stat no?

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Dueling would be nothing more than amusing time wasters that'll quickly get ignored, mostly due to how people won't jump at anything without a worthwhile reward attached to it.

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Your conjecture is amusing.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Maybe if PVP got massive improvement, dueling would be feasible.

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This makes no sense.
Its one on one, player vs player.
Works right out of the box.
For someone so anti PVP, you spend a lot of time trolling the forums.

well, it would give me a reason to play warrior. But it would be super dumb to fight certain classes...blm would just sleep you and slowly cure itself to full hp, for example.

Another benefit would be to see how much morality effects pvp by testing different configurations in a non match environment.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Dueling would be nothing more than amusing time wasters

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More amusing time wasters, and things to do please :D
PvP que is boring =/

They could jus make it only enabled in the Wolves Den so you couldn't do it anywhere else/bother people
They should also add PvP target dummys there, and enable pvp abilities, buuth I doubt anything like this will ever happen
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Originally Posted by Meeep

They should also add PvP target dummys there, and enable pvp abilities, buuth I doubt anything like this will ever happen
> <;.

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Won't happen unless people speak up about it. I made a topic for this, but it was completely ignored. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...aining-dummies

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Originally Posted by Meeep

More amusing time wasters, and things to do please :D
PvP que is boring =/

They could jus make it only enabled in the Wolves Den so you couldn't do it anywhere else/bother people
They should also add PvP target dummys there, and enable pvp abilities, buuth I doubt anything like this will ever happen
> <;.

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Mmm, until people see there's no rewards for winning, so they'll quickly drop it to speed run Longstop some more lol

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Mmm, until people see there's no rewards for winning, so they'll quickly drop it to speed run Longstop some more lol

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In WoW there were always large groups of people gathered outside the city gates dueling. 'round the clock, 24/7. There was zero incentive, zero reward. It was just fun.

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Originally Posted by Mirili

In WoW there were always large groups of people gathered outside the city gates dueling. 'round the clock, 24/7. There was zero incentive, zero reward. It was just fun.

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This ^
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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

I made a topic for this, but it was completely ignored. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...aining-dummies

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I bumped it XD. I also use X|V Support > Leave a suggestion for it on a regular basis, not that anyone probably reads those tho oO. Buuuuht, I think there are a lot of people who jus want to talk/argue/Q-Q about WT, and not about things that actually might improve Wolves' Den PvP so much.; ;. 2.28 will probly have a fix or way to de-incentivize it anyways, there's no way they don't kno its going on.

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It was just fun.

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(Fun) (Excitement) (Can I have it?) :3

Would like to have duel challenge in any map, would be awesome, to have the option to be able to challenge someone that you want, like here and now.
You said my mom lied with a roegadyn, I'll dye the streets with your blood.

I definitely would enjoy to have dueling and if someone doesn't want dueling requests just make an option not to receive them. And there ya go the people not wanting to do bothered by it can stop it and everyone else is fair game.

actually that is a good idea, if you not want to do dueling you can add a feature to ignore duels.

While i usually like dueling as a feature, there is one major issue, 1 on 1 pvp balance in this game - there is none.
Unless they are to severely re-balance the jobs for 1v1(which i think would be a good idea) in the future, the matches would be mostly predictable unless you were fighting against someone with the same role or if there were huge differences in gear.
Also the whole current system of interruptions relies on having walls to run behind so add that to the mix.
BTW, doesn't mean i don't want them to implement it, but just that i'd rather have it be implemented along with solid balancing is all.

Don't get me wrong it's something I think should be in because, well, why not? If nothing else it'd be great for testing, one of the main things I used WoW duels for actually.

But oh man it'd be so impossible to take it seriously with this game's class balance. Not that duels in WoW were fair either...dueling a mage as a warrior for example, warrior would be lucky to win 1 out of 10 if there was no gear/skill disparity. Or vanilla wow paladin vs druid fights that never ended.

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Don't get me wrong it's something I think should be in because, well, why not? If nothing else it'd be great for testing, one of the main things I used WoW duels for actually.

But oh man it'd be so impossible to take it seriously with this game's class balance. Not that duels in WoW were fair either...dueling a mage as a warrior for example, warrior would be lucky to win 1 out of 10 if there was no gear/skill disparity. Or vanilla wow paladin vs druid fights that never ended.

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Imagine a healer battle. It would take forever. And there's no mDPS LB.

If it was whm vs sch.
Whm would easily win cuz of repose, stoneskin, HoTs + divine seal.
I'm pretty sure that whm can dish out more dps than a sch could.
So it'd be like the whole mrds or plds/ glds type of thing. Both great tanks but dps plays a high role in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

If it was whm vs sch.
Whm would easily win cuz of repose, stoneskin, HoTs + divine seal.
I'm pretty sure that whm can dish out more dps than a sch could.
So it'd be like the whole mrds or plds/ glds type of thing. Both great tanks but dps plays a high role in this situation.

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Even if you're very good at cleric stance dance, there's no way that you could damage faster than a sch can heal himself.
It's going to be a battle of who runs out of mana first. And remember, sch never runs out of mana.

I concur that Dueling would be fun and acceptable in the Wolves Den =)