What/where is this place?

and any idea what this giant thing in the upper right corner is? I know it's not the crystal tower, its slanted, and the diameter is HUGE by comparison... Fern, I need your lore!!!

Oh and in the opening movie, are we EVER gonna hear what the Roe PLD is saying to the group as they arrive in the future?!? It's nothing major, but the fact that he clearly talks, and we hear NOTHING, drives me batty!!!


http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.6079...769285&pid=1.7

It reminds me of what Coerthas looked like back in v1.0.

I never noticed that formation in the top right corner...very interesting. As to what or where it is I have no idea.

Konschtat Highlands?

Konschtat!!! LOL WE GO THROUGH THE MAWS!!!??! :P Yes my guess is Coerthas as well.... hopefully its still green. It'd have to be, since thats "current" I suppose. Hopefully they expand on it, and show us more of it! I've speculated that only the central highlands was blasted by snow anyways due to the Nail in the middle, messing with the climate.... I'd looooooved to see some 1.0 greenery!

Yes, I also agree that it looks like Coerthas in 1.0. Before the calamity hit, all of coerthas was grasslands with rocky structures. Now it is completely covered in snow. The interesting remnant of 1.0 coerthas is that when you fight Garuda, it has similar texures to the old Coerthas, because that's what the arena looked like when you fought her in 1.0 as well... although I guess it makes sense that a vortex like that would prevent snowfall.

that huge thing, is that Midgarsomor maybe? from a diff angle>?

it can't be midgardsormr becuase that's wrapped around the Agrius, in Mor Dhona. This is clearly a giant slab or rock, jutting upwards. I suppose it COULD just be misshaped earth from the calamity.... buuuut its pointing in a different direction than the huge aether spire in the center of the picture...
oh and if there was one thing I absolutely LOVED about 1.0, it was Coerthas!!!
(also the wall of the Snow Cloak, where Sobek pops can be seen glowing... I'm betting its gonna melt soon, and give us access to new areas.... or I hope)

There was a thread on this subject in the Lore forum recently (found here), and the general consensus is that it's actually the Burning Wall in Eastern Thanalan - the part just before then where 'Derplander' and his party materialize 'five years later after Carteneau' is Snakemolt in the South Shroud (near the entrance to Amdapor Keep and the Ahltyk Deity Stone). Hence they ride down from Snakemolt to the Burning Wall in a way that is actually not possible gameplay wise - that area is probably just meant to be symbolic of the landscape between the Black Shroud and Thanalan without actually showing how it is exactly.

And besides, considering Derplander was actually fighting at the Carteneau Flats which players actually never had any access to (the events of the last day of 1.0 had the player fighting in a nearby area called Camp Brittlebark as Carteneau was not accessible by the player) this just seems natural that Derplander and his friends seem to be able to access places and things normal players can't.

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Originally Posted by Drivont

and any idea what this giant thing in the upper right corner is? I know it's not the crystal tower, its slanted, and the diameter is HUGE by comparison... Fern, I need your lore!!!

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I actually think it really is meant to be the Crystal Tower - during the actual video the upper part isn't shown, suggesting that the actual rendering used didn't include the upper section for simplicity's sake, and that wallpaper simply used the same rendering, thus revealing the incomplete tower. But I guess only Square Enix Visual Works knows the answer to that.

But it would make sense to be the Crystal Tower - it's in the right place (if you accept the crystalline structure to be the Burning Wall in Thanalan) and as the Burning Wall has a piece of Dalamud within in, hence the Binding Coil of Bahamut, it would therefore showcase the two end-game raids for ARR - the Crystal Tower and the Binding Coil. Simple really. :)

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Originally Posted by Drivont

Oh and in the opening movie, are we EVER gonna hear what the Roe PLD is saying to the group as they arrive in the future?!? It's nothing major, but the fact that he clearly talks, and we hear NOTHING, drives me batty!!!

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I thought it was pretty clear to see the roegadyn PLD said to Derplander "Are you alright?", as his mouth movements definitely fit that phrase. Or maybe I'm just good at lipreading. :)

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I thought it was pretty clear to see the roegadyn PLD said to Derplander "Are you alright?", as his mouth movements definitely fit that phrase. Or maybe I'm just good at lipreading. :)

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His mouth only moves twice, IIRC.

My lipreading skillz think he's saying "Now what?" Which seems to make sense, given what just happened to them. (I'm still not sure where those Chocobos came from, though.)

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Originally Posted by Jewelfox

His mouth only moves twice, IIRC.

My lipreading skillz think he's saying "Now what?" Which seems to make sense, given what just happened to them. (I'm still not sure where those Chocobos came from, though.)

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If you pay close attention to his lips and the way his cheeks move you can clearly see that he says..

"Feed me a lalafell"

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(I'm still not sure where those Chocobos came from, though.)

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Of all the silly things, this actually bothered me, too.

Am I the only one who hears "Sanzibar LAA LAA SAN-ZI-BAAAR!!!" at this point? XD Ok great now I have that ringing in my head again...

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Of all the silly things, this actually bothered me, too.

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I could be very sentimental and believe that their chocobo's waited 5 years for them, magically sensed where they would materialize and were waiting for them. Or not.


I honestly have no idea where they came from :/

They just blow their whistles and chocobos appear out of nowhere just like we do in game XD

I always thought it was that chunk of Dalamud that's stuck in the Nail.

Or their chocobos knew the exact spot that they will be teleported to and stood there doing chocobo stuff while they waited. They are the all seeing and all knowing.

I kinda figured it was a route we didn't actually get. My only issue with that being Crystal Tower is the direction of the aether spire, if it IS supposed to be the Burning Wall, then Derplander is coming in East Thanalan from the west somewhere, (putting CT somewhere behind him, lower left cornerish) and we're looking towards the Shroud... I guess it COULD be the just expanse of the Shroud that was uplifted near the Second coil, but i think that'd be on the right side of the spire in the picture... Maybe its further, like Ala Mhigo? It'd be pretty cool to see what kind of destruction Garlemald faced as well. I know its not the Nail though, that piece of Coil was in almost sideways, out of a mountain.

And they DO show the whole CT, when the behemoth roars, it pans all the way to the top. It literally looks like the top is MAYBE a tad bigger than an FC mansion :P its really slender, I just don't think that was meant to be it in that clip.

I thought it was pretty clear to see the roegadyn PLD said to Derplander "Are you alright?", as his mouth movements definitely fit that phrase. Or maybe I'm just good at lipreading. :)[/QUOTE]

Why do people call that warrior derplander? Just curious :3

Lip reading real people is highly inaccurate and they are making little facial movements. I don't think you can know what the npcs were actually saying.

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Originally Posted by ToraoKoga

Why do people call that warrior derplander? Just curious :3

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Hehe, it's an old meme on this forum dating back to version 1.0 - I believe it was Vilheim and a couple of other people first started calling him that due to the silly faces he kept making in the trailers long before ARR's launch.

For lack of anything else (official or otherwise) to call him the name kind of affectionately stuck - it's not being derogatory towards him, as lets face it, we'd all want him in our parties, even if he did do some silly things (like let his gear condition degrade so badly a single Garlean gunshot destroyed his AF helm, and left his Bravura behind on the battlefield when Lousioix teleported him to the future). ;)

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Hehe, it's an old meme on this forum dating back to version 1.0 - I believe it was Vilheim and a couple of other people first started calling him that due to the silly faces he kept making in the trailers long before ARR's launch.

For lack of anything else (official or otherwise) to call him the name kind of affectionately stuck - it's not being derogatory towards him, as lets face it, we'd all want him in our parties, even if he did do some silly things (like let his gear condition degrade so badly a single Garlean gunshot destroyed his AF helm, and left his Bravura behind on the battlefield when Lousioix teleported him to the future). ;)

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Ah I see, thank you

I always assumed he said "Were back?"

I still want Fern's input on this.... and lots of other areas! I wanna learn just how far Dalamud fragments really went! When Bahamut is fully released, all the coils on the sides, and upper parts of Dalamud, can still be seen racing along the horizon, after he flies away.... those bad boys had to have traveled like thousands of miles!

It's possible that not all of Coerthas is covered in snow. Certainly the Central and I would imagine the Western sides are currently undergoing a permanent winter type effect, but Coethras was massive in 1.0, having a Central, Western, Eastern, Northern and Southern area. It's possible that while some of the landmass is effected by the presence of (possibly, no confirmation this is true) Shiva who may be inhabiting the Western side of Coerthas, the other areas to the South, East and Northern edges may still be green.

My personal guess is that the Southern is going to be more desolate, being in closer proximity to Mor Dhona and Thanalan after the awakening of Bahamut, that area likely got tore apart. The Eastern side may still be green, as close as it is to the Shroud and there's no winter effects there. Though that part of the Shroud, next to Fallgourd Float was torn apart by the Calamity as well, so it may not be quite so green anymore. The only section that was far enough away from the awakening of Bahamut that we currently don't have access to is the Northern (North-East in 1.0) end of Coerthas.

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My personal guess is that the Southern is going to be more desolate, being in closer proximity to Mor Dhona and Thanalan after the awakening of Bahamut, that area likely got tore apart. The Eastern side may still be green, as close as it is to the Shroud and there's no winter effects there. Though that part of the Shroud, next to Fallgourd Float was torn apart by the Calamity as well, so it may not be quite so green anymore. The only section that was far enough away from the awakening of Bahamut that we currently don't have access to is the Northern (North-East in 1.0) end of Coerthas.

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Yeah, and again, when you come over the hill near Ishgard on a dark night, you can see the wall of snowcloak glow with this REALLY brilliant blue.... my guess is Shiva is behind there, and it will be melting soon. I'm of the same mindset though, I think only a bit of Coerthas is snow covered, due to the aether, and Shiva.

Generally when you think of the snow in Coerthas your mind would put Shiva (The Ice Queen) as the reason for it as it makes the most sense. However, that's not the case.

The story has made it quite clear that Garuda's winds are the cause of the snows in Coerthas (but how that makes sense, I don't really know), as the Ixal are the ones that have summoned her and their home is in Central Coerthas.

Not entirely sure how she moved from Gridania's Black Shroud in 1.x to Coerthas, but... whatever. I can already see an area over by the Ixal that is currently locked (a gate to be more precise) that would add more area to the Ixal area... or more likely is the spot for a future site for Ixal beastman quests.

I am definitely looking forward to exploring the rest of Coerthas, and I do believe we will be doing that in the expansion or perhaps an update before the expansion. Would finally like to see what is beyond the Steps of Faith/Gates of Judgement when we are allowed passage beyond them.

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Yeah, and again, when you come over the hill near Ishgard on a dark night, you can see the wall of snowcloak glow with this REALLY brilliant blue.

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Eh? What did you mean to put there? Ishgard isn't accessible yet, so there is no hill near Ishgard. I do know where Snowcloak is, just not what place you are talking about to see it.

Garuda and the Ixal were always based in Coerthas.

As for Garuda's winds bringing snow, Coerthas is a high altitude area and heavy winds lowering the temperature even further probably lowers the temperature enough for snow.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Garuda and the Ixal were always based in Coerthas.

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Well the Ixal I get, not really contesting that.

It's just I recall seeing a cutscene from 1.0 where Garuda was attacking Twin Adders within The Black Shroud itself. Whereas in ARR I don't think she's so much as set feathered foot/hoove there.

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Eh? What did you mean to put there? Ishgard isn't accessible yet, so there is no hill near Ishgard. I do know where Snowcloak is, just not what place you are talking about to see it.

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I meant the small hill when you pass the FATE, "Roc of Ages" if you stand near the Gates of Judgement, and look to Snowcloak, you can see the icewall glowing VERY brightly. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

lol this is my desktop background back home :P

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Originally Posted by Chibionieko

I always assumed he said "Were back?"

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To me it always looked like he was saying "Are you ok?" and Derplander as he's apparently known nods as if to say "Yeah."

I assume those are all very valid responses, and I'm thinking similiar things.... I meant it more as a "SE Why has this CS been out for so long, WITHOUT his voice in it at all?" small and trivial, but weird that an opening movie would not have it....

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Originally Posted by Drivont

Oh and in the opening movie, are we EVER gonna hear what the Roe PLD is saying to the group as they arrive in the future?!? It's nothing major, but the fact that he clearly talks, and we hear NOTHING, drives me batty!!!

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I thought it was pretty clear to see the roegadyn PLD said to Derplander "Are you alright?", as his mouth movements definitely fit that phrase. Or maybe I'm just good at lipreading. :)

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Originally Posted by Jewelfox

His mouth only moves twice, IIRC.

My lipreading skillz think he's saying "Now what?" Which seems to make sense, given what just happened to them. (I'm still not sure where those Chocobos came from, though.)

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Originally Posted by Chibionieko

I always assumed he said "Were back?"

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To me it always looked like he was saying "Are you ok?" and Derplander as he's apparently known nods as if to say "Yeah."

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Ummm guys... he's probably speaking Japanese.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Ummm guys... he's probably speaking Japanese.

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Can you hear him?...I'm guessing not. It's pretty open to speculation if you ask me. :P Though that's probably correct.

I'd take japanese audio over what we have now..... nothing...

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Garuda and the Ixal were always based in Coerthas.

As for Garuda's winds bringing snow, Coerthas is a high altitude area and heavy winds lowering the temperature even further probably lowers the temperature enough for snow.

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Slightly incorrect. The Ixal were actually in the Shroud for a long time, they were exiled by the Elementals with aid of Gridania after awhile. This was back when the Ixal still had wings and could fly, their exile pushed them into canyons (which we cant access yet), with the lack of trees for flying into, they created more ground based nests (it's also why they have hot air balloons now) and why their more recent generations are wingless, as there's no real need for feathers anymore. Going along that, if you're wondering why they worship Garuda, who has wings obviously, the reason is because even when they had feathers, they still saw Garuda as their own patron deity.

I know what you're saying about the winds bringing in the snows from the higher mountains, but really, it would take more than just wind to keep an area in perpetual winter as Coerthas has suffered since the Calamity.

It looks to me like he's saying 'we're allright', as a statement, rather than a question, though I could see 'you allright?', as well.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Ummm guys... he's probably speaking Japanese.

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This may well be true, but 'daijoubu' would reasonably fit the same lip-sync, and mean exactly the same thing (in fact, that was my initial reading of it, since I do actually play with the Japanese voices turned on).


As for the screenshot, I always assumed it was the burning wall, but I haven't seriously compared them to see...

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Originally Posted by Estellios

Garuda and the Ixal were always based in Coerthas.

As for Garuda's winds bringing snow, Coerthas is a high altitude area and heavy winds lowering the temperature even further probably lowers the temperature enough for snow.

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The primals are based wherever they are summoned, which is why in the story Titan and Ifrit can be summoned in the Howling Eye, The Howling Eye has always been in Coerthas.