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mmorpg.com posted new review of FF XiV. Too bad they decided to post it just before 1.18 but then again I doubt this patch would help much. Most things he is complaining about aren't being addressed or it will take 3-4 more patches to fix.
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don't care. I'm playing the game and I like it, I could give two shits what some reviewer thinks. Especially before the first major content patch.

Certainly a valid score, but man they're dumb. Right before overhauls, 10 months after the official release... there is no more improper time to review an MMO.

That is the most unfair sort of defamation ever seen for a game. They had 7 months to review it and they do it at 3 days from the patch. Really disgusted..

I've never taken mainstream reviews for MMORPGs seriously. They are usually either written from the perspective of the first 10 levels of the game or based on the reputation of the company that produced it.

the guy is a moron and most of the comments are just as ignorant.

They actually give most game a few months before review. As I said I doubt this patch would actually help with the score. After 1.18 you could say that they should wait for 1.19 then 1.20 etc.

You can't blame them. It's always "the next patch will change the game" in their line of work they run into, and there's a point they set their foot down and review the game for what it is. It's unfortunate the simple basics of the game have taken close to a year to implement.

You guys act like 1.18 will make this a completely different game. It's a fair score and while the reviewer didn't really dive too deep into the game, can you really blame him?

MMORPG is the kind of site that would review a game just before 1.18 to keep it's score low. You really think MMORPG does not get compensation for stuff like this? Well, in FFXIV's instance it isn't as great as a threat as other games. However, sites like these usually only like to keep scores high with companies that give them hand outs :)

and that's the truth.

10 months after launch...fair enough :P

Though I think they should've excluded the UI lag from the aesthetics section, raised its score, and given a lower score to longevity :)

Its amusing considering how many times he mentioned a patch coming soon that would update most the issues he complained about, but then said nothing as to whats being changed. And it doesn't sound like he played further than lvl 5 or 10 at most. And we all know level 10 can be earned in under 30min...le sigh

Anyway, I don't really care what MMORPG's opinion is, nor the other members there. Its a horrible community that just yells and screams and fights with each other and whom don't understand what an opinion is. Hardly anyone there ever plays a new MMO for themselves to decide but they listen heartily to these ridiculous reviewers...

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

MMORPG is the kind of site that would review a game just before 1.18 to keep it's score low. You really think MMORPG does not get compensation for stuff like this? Well, in FFXIV's instance it isn't as great as a threat as other games. However, sites like these usually only like to keep scores high with companies that give them hand outs :)

and that's the truth.

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Very true, I remember them deleting posts and banning people that brought up that Funcom was trying to hide the fact people where able to trade BoP raid items in AoC, as well as people exploiting the siege system to keep from getting attacked.

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Originally Posted by Munba

That is the most unfair sort of defamation ever seen for a game. They had 7 months to review it and they do it at 3 days from the patch. Really disgusted..

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Guarantee they did it purposefully that way.

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Originally Posted by Demacia

You guys act like 1.18 will make this a completely different game.

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Ironically enough people muttered this about Abyssea in a way:

"Abyssea won't do anything for FFXI."

*Abyssea Releases*

"Abyssea completely changed the face of FFXI forever, and ushered in a ton of new gear in the process."

And Abyssea did nothing to the immediate core game like the next patches for XIV are doing.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Certainly a valid score, but man they're dumb. Right before overhauls, 10 months after the official release... there is no more improper time to review an MMO.

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Yeah right. 10months later, and theres still a broken system. whatever. Die hard I guess.
I cant wait for the "Golden patch" I expect a mediocre cut/paste dungeon, a few peices of equally lame gear. And some cheesy tank and spank boss fights. 3-4weeks of content at best.

10 months is plenty of time to get some stuff in play. Bottom line, this dev team is serously under staffed and it shows. Ive gotten more patches/content/hotfixes in 2 months of rift than my whole time on ffxiv combined.

SE should make 1 PR team to contact with all the gaming site so they will not do stupid thing again.
Also, maybe they can try to sponsor the website so they can re-review the game when it ready :P

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Originally Posted by Vix_Spellweaver

Yeah right. 10months later, and theres still a broken system. whatever. Die hard I guess.
I cant wait for the "Golden patch" I expect a mediocre cut/paste dungeon, a few peices of equally lame gear. And some cheesy tank and spank boss fights. 3-4weeks of content at best.

10 months is plenty of time to get some stuff in play. Bottom line, this dev team is serously under staffed and it shows. Ive gotten more patches/content/hotfixes in 2 months of rift than my whole time on ffxiv combined.

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Yeah its to bad that Rift isn't any different then all the other MMOs out there, you can have all the content in the world, but that doesn't make it fun for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Miyochan

SE should make 1 PR team to contact with all the gaming site so they will not do stupid thing again.
Also, maybe they can try to sponsor the website so they can re-review the game when it ready :P

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yeah and condone what is wrong with that site. MMORPG.com = pay us for a good review, not saying FFXIV deserves a good review just saying that site is corrupt. Though im pretty sure you where being sarcastic.

Btw, I notice that there's 2 types of people in this forum
1) Low class rank
2) High class rank

And those 2 type are talking differently.

the first one, "MOST" of them, always think this game is shit and not worth to play. But judge from their stat they just play this game for few hours... then they quit. But I don't understand that why they still troll on this forum even they don't like this game =='.

The second one, Most of them, Love this game and say this game is great ( and yes some of them want this game as it was before, and they don't like Yoshi-P that change this game this much. )

Well, for me, I like this game, I tried Rift too but after try playing it for 1 months.... I quit, just like I was playing WoW for 1 month then quit.. Rift is good but something make me stop playing it.. I don't know why. Maybe because of low-quality model and can't compare to my cute miqo'te? lol

I can't wait to see what 1.18 will change the aspect of this game. I think FFXIV team work as hard as they can to maintain the quality and pride of their flagship series..and I'm on their side.

Fighto! Yoshi-P!

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Yeah its to bad that Rift isn't any different then all the other MMOs out there, you can have all the content in the world, but that doesn't make it fun for everyone.

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Touche...


Rift is well rift, and it plays like pretty much everything else in the post 2004~era, and while it does a few things differently, and I'll agree they have a very good dev team that listens to the community and they pump out some great patches quickly. Still though XIV is an entirely different beast, and I applaud SE for doing things different, albeit it bit them in the ass since it was unfinished and its taking awhile to make it proper.

I lay the blame on Tanaka though for not listening to the community. Yoshi-P is doing an outstanding job, and is quite communicative and understanding.

I feel it is a fair score. Honestly I'm surprised they gave FFXIV such a long time before reviewing it, you can't say they didn't give it a second chance. It's a shame they didn't wait for 1.18 but honestly would it have changed that much? That 5.5 would maybe have become a 6 or a 6.5 if we wanna be really generous, so it's not really the cream of the crop anyway.

Like the game or not, everything he said is true, and it doesn't matter if you're rank 10 or 50, the problems he mentions are there regardless. The UI doesn't suddenly evolve when you ding 35...

I told yall it was too late.

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We feel we’ve waited more than long enough to give FFXIV a fair shake.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Yeah its to bad that Rift isn't any different then all the other MMOs out there, you can have all the content in the world, but that doesn't make it fun for everyone.

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Right over your head....ZOOOMM.
My counter was the the statement that 10 months isnt enough time for an MMO to get their junk fixed. I listed a noob mmo company that did that and more.

Well frankly anyone should have the right to assume launch issues have been ironed out after almost a year after the release few days give or take doesn't really change that assumption nor do the contents of the patch have that much to do with his critique. I think it's fair because it's still basically the same game that it was in launch and it's still the same game it was in beta. UI is a lot faster but still just as badly designed as it always has been.

i say its fair review. nothing to do right now other than levelquest and craft. maybe NM sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Vix_Spellweaver

Right over your head....ZOOOMM.
My counter was the the statement that 10 months isnt enough time for an MMO to get their junk fixed. I listed a noob mmo company that did that and more.

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A noob MMO with extremely high financial backing that copied almost everything from many different MMOs, go Trion....Oh if Rift had a crap launch Im sure it would have failed and died but not trying anything new mixed with a lot of money kept that from happening.

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Originally Posted by Khalus

Touche...


Rift is well rift, and it plays like pretty much everything else in the post 2004~era, and while it does a few things differently, and I'll agree they have a very good dev team that listens to the community and they pump out some great patches quickly. Still though XIV is an entirely different beast, and I applaud SE for doing things different, albeit it bit them in the ass since it was unfinished and its taking awhile to make it proper.

I lay the blame on Tanaka though for not listening to the community. Yoshi-P is doing an outstanding job, and is quite communicative and understanding.

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Was it Tanaka or was he the fall guy?

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

MMORPG is the kind of site that would review a game just before 1.18 to keep it's score low. You really think MMORPG does not get compensation for stuff like this? Well, in FFXIV's instance it isn't as great as a threat as other games. However, sites like these usually only like to keep scores high with companies that give them hand outs :)

and that's the truth.

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Right... truth ...

I think you dropped your tinfoil hat.

It's not MMORPG.com who is dumb. Who released the game in the state it was in?

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Originally Posted by Naqaj

Right... truth ...

I think you dropped your tinfoil hat.

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Don't you mean got excited or perkier?

Gah, same usual sh*t as the other reviewers.
If my friends have chosen to play XIV is because it's under constant development and something different from the other MMOs. Also they are hardcore and casual by occasion, so XIV is the perfect game for them (because I told them with MY review =D)

I don't give a f*ck about gamesite reviewers, as the opinion is to be asked at who keeps playing the game under these circumstances (like us).

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

MMORPG is the kind of site that would review a game just before 1.18 to keep it's score low. You really think MMORPG does not get compensation for stuff like this? Well, in FFXIV's instance it isn't as great as a threat as other games. However, sites like these usually only like to keep scores high with companies that give them hand outs :)

and that's the truth.

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Actually. One of their columnists came to FFXIV's defense one time, saying that it wasn't entirely a bad game but that there is a higher demand for different types of MMOs today. He said that he didn't think it was bad.

I think it's worth commenting the reason why we've waited ten months before we get a big update for FFXIV is because the staff changes. When those took place the ideas from the previous producer were scrapped. This is what Yoshida was trying to explain in those recent interviews. It takes six months for the equipment to get to the ready to be implemented stage. But once we reach the end of those six months we won't see that six month wait again because everything was started six months ago. This works for all the other content too. So after this update we'll be seeing a lot more large scale updates. The wheels are turning.

Games that you've mentioned like rift didn't get their entire infrastructure ripped out meaning their development cycle had been going long before release. Yes it's sad FFXIV is suffering this badly but that's why they're not charging.

Edit: I guess to make this post more on topic. The reason why it's low for a company to review FFXIV now is because they know the above facts. If they make FFXIV look bad right before it starts getting good people won't bother to try it when people say the new updates are great.

I'm not too sure that the ideas from the previous producer were entirely scrapped. I remember the schedule that was originally posted by the old team and a bunch of things that were on that have been implemented by the new team. I think a better way to put it is that the priority of everything has been shifted considerably.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

A noob MMO with extremely high financial backing that copied almost everything from many different MMOs, go Trion....Oh if Rift had a crap launch Im sure it would have failed and died but not trying anything new mixed with a lot of money kept that from happening.

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Your totally right, because SE does not have high financial backing....or years of experience behind them. And your arguments that because Trion copied other successful mmos somehow makes my original statement invalid. Ok, that is about the same reasoning level as me getting bent at SE for copying Mana and Cure from other RPG's. Ideas come from somewhere, Trion just happened to gather them From EQ/GW/WoW.

In the end...you still haven't managed to put up an intelligent counter my original statement. 10 months is plenty of time to get something done with this game. But hey, in three days....I'll be wrong....maybe.

Just read the review and it sounds about right.

You are knocking the women for when it was released, but if this patch doesn't do all that much to help the game, it doesn't matter anyways. If that's the best critique of the article, then you're grasping at smoke.

It's a fair review. They even waited a long time like Squenix asked. If this game wasn't failing, it would be charging every month and that review would be incorrect. Sadly it is a failure. Consider, it's been ~10 months since release. If SE did a good job, it'd have 250k users paying 12-15 bucks a month each. They'd be making 2.5 million a month and would have made 25 million from monthly revenues by now. Instead they've made nothing but box fees (they get half of those) and had to spend 10 months at $10K per employee per month to fix this game (10K pepm was a rule of thumb for development costs a few years ago).

Also, guys, this is 10 months later.

If SE cared so much about their reputation, there would be twice as much staff poured into FFXIV to get it up to scratch by the 10 month mark so that no reviewer on earth could say "10 months later and still a mess".

But they can still say that, so SE gets what they deserve. (With all due respect).

at the end of the day, 10 months is long enough time to wait to review a game, if its not long enough, that is the fault of the company not the reviewer. If you agree with everything the article says as the game stands, then it is a perfectly accurate review.

But if you want to look on the bright side, if they add enough to the ps3 release, give it a new name and promote it as a new beginning or expansion, it will probably warrant some new reviews, but it would have to be super awesome by then, and you have to ask yourself, do you really think they will make something that makes people say wow this is awesome by then? or do you just hope they will make something that people say, this is a decent normal mmo. because if its the latter, then it wont be enough.