I need to vent, sorry if I offend any vets here.
1. I am not going to pay a monthly fee to a game that constantly spams me with
"Buy our Gil and get power level blah blah" I am sick and tired of Asian farmers.
2. Making me wait almost 30 mins to an hour to continue a quest while waiting for other players to join me to make a party to finish my quest line is not worth my monthly fee and time.
3. You can take the free mount with the exclusive edition of the game and shove it cause I am stuck with #2 waiting and waiting and waiting just to work my way through the game in order to use said mount.
4. Back and forth back and forth running to x do y and take back to z is lazy and yet another copy of every other Mmorpg on the market it's boring, and mindless which is why you have a problem with #1.
Fix your game
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05-12-2014, 12:38 PMEqstageFix your game
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05-12-2014, 12:48 PMkristerrr86
If you dont want the wait times roll a tank or a healer :P
Possibly transfer to a higher pop server :)
And the game isn't telling you to buy gil, the gilsellers are -
05-12-2014, 01:13 PMDuuude007A few points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
1: Not all are Asians.
2: Any popular MMO WILL have RMT. It comes with the territory. We can't prevent it more than we can prevent a snowstorm in Antarctica.
3: If you don't hang out in cities, the rate drastically declines. Furthermore, if you use the command '/busy', They cannot even send the tells to you.
They aren't 'making' you wait. You have been granted a tool that is designed to allow people from several servers to form a party and progress. And another tool to improve the ease of others on your own server to advertise. A lack of interest in the content means you need to be more inventive in how you recruit assistance, but only a small handful of quests apply (like i48 fight north of vesper bay).Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
Rather than pouting about your predicament, how about sharing the specifics. Where are you stuck, exactly, and what does it have to do with mounts of any kind?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
Fetch quests is one of several types of options for simple progression in this game. Not only is it a staple of any popular MMO, you would struggle to find any that do not use the model on at least a portion of its content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
Again... Where are you stuck? Perhaps it is an issue in which we can offer assistance. -
05-12-2014, 01:20 PMEnkidoh
Judging by his level and his comments about not being able to use a mount, I'd say he's stuck on the Ifrit story-mode fight.
A tip to getting parties through the Duty Finder is not to restrict yourself to the language you speak - setting it for other languages (like Japanese) helps a lot, as it will have a far greater 'pool' of players to select from when creating your party. As long as you use simple phrases that are universal, along with the Auto-Translate function, communication shouldn't be too difficult either. But really, patience is the key here. -
05-12-2014, 01:26 PMFile2ish
While I am disappointed about the lack of speed when it comes to removing gilsellers from the game, I would imagine it may hard to be completely rid of them as new accounts and characters are constantly used for the purpose (along with stolen accounts).
As for duty finder times, it is rather annoying having long waits as a DPS. But that is not something easily remedied by the developers since it needs to find players to group you with before you can do duties like Sastasha and Copperbell Mines. Try to befriend some people or join a linkshell and/or free company with people who are willing to help you. That's about all you can do to alleviate waiting times as a damage dealer, sad to say.
You just need to get to level 20 and join a grand company (and do a quest for the company) to use mounts. It is annoying to queue as a DPS and not be able to get a party immediately, but again; SE can't really control the populations of the players who choose to play tanks/healers/DPS and queue for lower level dungeons.
While the quests themselves are generally run from point A to B, etc., the writing is quite good and amusing to say the least, especially for an MMO that was built as fast as it was.
Many quest objectives in games (as a whole, not just MMO) are run from point A to B and talk to X, deliver Y, and/or kill Z, etc. It sticks out more in this one since it tells you exactly where to go and what to do I think. FFXI had it so you only get a very vague description at best that offers little in the way of explaining what to do (without using a wiki guide many players probably wouldn't figure quests out and would quit out of frustration), I like XIVARR's journal much better lol.
I can't speak for everyone, but the game is pretty well built. If you still have time left in your subscription try to get further in the story, it gets pretty good and it may hook you if you like stories in RPGs (likely the best story in any MMO to date). The duty finder problem is very annoying, but hopefully you'll have better luck getting in soon if you stick to the game. -
05-12-2014, 01:40 PMRufalus
All these complaints are valid, it's just that the good points of the game outweigh the bad and that's why we play. Can't do much about waiting to get a team together, it's just the way the game is designed to require a certain number of participants and certain composition of roles. Maybe in the future they could use a 'flex' system I've been hearing about that dynamically adjusts the difficulty of a battle on the number of participants available.
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05-12-2014, 01:51 PMvanityobsceneFun fact. This doesn't happen on Tonberry (a JP server) and from what I've heard happens very rarely on other JP servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
It's really not that terrible. There is a multitude of things you can do while you wait for the queue to pop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
People with Collector's Edition mounts can't use said mounts until they unlock their Chocobo. The reason you see low-levels on CE mounts is because they've already done the hard yards on another class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
Why do people care so much about these sidequests? They're there as filler as you level. They also have some little sidestory bits for those who like to read. Unfortunately, there just isn't the time or space to make every side-quest a unique encounter with some kind of boss mob or instance. This isn't Skyrim, this is a game that has thousands of people playing it at the same time all of the time. I for one enjoy the little stupid side-quests. Especially considering how quickly I can finish most of them. That's a major plus for me as in older MMORPGs after you've ground your way up to X level, you unlock quests that ask for more grinding. Say, slay X monster to attain X amount of wobbly bits, but those quest items only drop at a 1/4 rate so you're smashing monsters for an hour to get the damn things. SE clearly did the right thing in making sidequests relatively easy, despite them being little more than filler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
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05-12-2014, 02:01 PMSakuraluna
As long as you play an mmo, rmt are a fact of life. Best thing you can do is just get used to it and ignore them, blacklist if it's one character annoying you with multiple tells. I don't know of any other way to solve that situation as it's present in any online game you play.
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05-12-2014, 04:58 PMSuki-Tis like that on Tiamat as well. Have been playing since the first beta phase and can count the number of rmt tells on one hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by vanityobscene
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05-12-2014, 07:41 PMtehomegaking
waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh
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05-12-2014, 08:09 PMEcosmith
Gold sellers can be mitigated by making rewards gained through play much better. People play a game for challenging interesting gameplay and storylines not because they get X gill for killing a mushroom.
Duty waits can be eradicated by making all content soloable via difficulty scaling. Scale the rewards to the difficulty too, so you havecthe choice of small rewards for doing it on your own or waiting for larger groups and more challenging dungeons for better rewards. -
05-12-2014, 11:58 PMEqstageThanks
Appreciate the feedback.
I have played or given all MMo's a chance, I guess I have high expectations and expect newer MMO's to to get better with dealing with issues of past mmo's. I know games like Everquest II have done away with gold sellers, you get the messages but they are filtered by a spam filter hidden away.
I expect an mmo to give the player more than one way to achieve a goal than "You must do this in order to achieve the goal eg. in order to use a mount" and force a player to wait on others in order to progress especially as a new player. - At least older mmo's have a solo player version of the dungeon in order to progress.
I have not played the game long enough but I have a feeling all items in the game are cookie cutter "Only a certain amount of items per class" which the player is forced to wear per level in order to bring your stats to a useable level. -
05-13-2014, 03:47 AMelkhornand lol EQ 2 have far from done away with Gold sellers and like stated before just /busy and done no messages from Goldseller ( or anyone else for that matter) they did bring a "Party Finder" into the game and not only the "Duty Finder" there is also the thing Joining a Free company or a linkshell that CAN assist you. so the waiting for other players is on nobody but yourself because you are not taking the steps to make the game happen.. SE isnt to blame the Community isnt to blame you are for being to lazy to interact with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
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05-14-2014, 02:12 AMNiwashiWell, even running dungeons with a linkshell or FC group, you'll still likely have to wait a while to get the group together. When you ask your FC "can anyone help me run <X>" , there are likely to be people who answer, "Well, I'm in the middle of <Y> right now, but as soon as I finish this, I'll do it with you." Getting several people's schedules to sync up so they can start something together can take a while, regardless of whether you're finding those other people through talking with your FC, through Party Finder, or through Duty Finder.Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhorn
SE has done what they can for this. It's the reason why Duty Roulette was added to the game - to provide incentives for people to keep running these story mode dungeons through DF, so that when it needs to find other people to fill out your group for you, it can. Even with incentives, though, it can still take a while. -
05-14-2014, 03:27 PMTonyACT
I think they need a better way to report RMT. Just have a report option for when you select their name in the chat window that also logs their text in the chat window and the GMs can quickly check the chat and take appropriate action.
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05-15-2014, 04:58 AMbdp12
Eh..... 2/10. Not a lot of original troll content here.
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05-15-2014, 06:29 AMGnovaQuote:
Originally Posted by Eqstage
MMO staples
RMT Spam
Waiting for a group if you are DPS
Having to level up to unlock faster travel methods - you are fortunate it is only level 20ish.
Fetch quests. Not mandatory but put in games because the new gen of players whined non-stop about grinding for XP. -
05-15-2014, 07:25 AMEcosmithFixed that for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
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05-15-2014, 07:35 AMvanityobsceneGrooooooaaaaaaannnnn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecosmith
If FFXIV isn't your cup'o'tea, fine. Great. Peachy-cream. But bein' snarky at other players in it's community about things you see as faults which others might not, and doing nothing but complain on every other comment you make on the new player forum is just ... uhhhg. Can't you ... just ... go to reddit or something? They love a good complain-train there. -
05-15-2014, 07:40 AMLangureion
Com'on guys, the kid, i meant OP, just needs a hug. lol
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05-15-2014, 07:44 AMEcosmith
My apologies, I don't wish to cone across as complaining about stuff all the time unjustifiably. I'll try to be more positive about stuff I like in my remaining 3 weeks.
The weather is great, for example. Really good weather in this game. Rain, sun, even fog, I've seen. Haven't noticed any wind, but that's quite hard to do in a game I guess. But the weather and day/night cucles in FF14 are v cool. The night sky is especially gorgeous. -
05-15-2014, 12:41 PMGnova- Quests are just disguised grinding, turning a MMO to a single player RPG with a chat client. 99% of the time I would choose to group up and kill mobs in a XP camp over doing endless side quests. Unfortunately this has been removed from the equation by giving too much xp for completing quests compared to killing mobs and removing group/heroic mobs out of open world content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecosmith
- Running instanced dungeons for XP is no different than old school XP group camping except the entire group moves for ten seconds between fights instead of only the puller travelling between fights.
- The whole devs are lazy/creatively empty arguement is as false as ever. Hundreds, possibly thousands, of devs work in MMO development and have been looking for a solution to leveling and player retention for over a decade. Even single player RPGs use the same mechanics and they are not tethered with creating game balance and player retention. -
05-15-2014, 12:58 PMGnovaSome real things you could be positive about instead of snidely complimenting the weather mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecosmith
The crafting system is fantastic.
The main storyline is great.
The atmosphere in dungeons has been handled very well.
The clothing/armor designs are nice without being ridiculous.
The ability to play every class/job on one character is a nice change.
The roulette system which significantly lowers wait times for people doing lower level content has been done very well. When queueing as a tank or healer I don't think I have ever waited for more than five minutes for a dungeon pop.
The class balance seems to be pretty well done. I like that I don't cringe when one tank class joins a group over another.
There are multiple ways to earn XP (quests, dungeons, fates, leviquests). -
05-15-2014, 03:45 PMEcosmithQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
It's very hard to design good narrative delivery in an open-world setting, never mind the immersion-breaking aspect of fozens of players queuing up to kill 'unique' mobs. I appreciate that players such as yoursrlf don't need story to enjoy the grind, but it's a shame MMOs don't cater for all types of player. -
05-15-2014, 04:13 PMEcosmithI haven't yet tried crafting, I like a bit of crafting so I'm looking forward to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
The look of the one dungeon I've seen some of was indeed very nice, there was a great bit with a water-filled cave where wecwere running about on floating lily pads. You could see down through the water, it was v cool. The opening cinematic dolly shot through the instance was also a great scene-setter (not being sarky here, the dungeon looked really nice).
The clothing and armour does look good at times, but FF14 is sadly following the WoW trend by locking look to gear. As I progressed my MarUder through the Limpopo quests, I upgraded hos gear when better gear dropped, and found myself at various times garbed in:
A pink dress.
A huge yellow woollen sou'ester.
A yellow diaper. This last one seriously boosted my defense, and dropped at lvl 13 or 14. I looked ridiculous.
I appreciate that this is the standard way MMOs (and single player rpGs) do this, but for me, its another way that control over my character is removed from me, leaving me less invested in him and by extension the game. I'm not wearing these pieces hecause I thibk they look good, I'm wearing them purely for the numbers they represent. It means that every player is basically saying 'i dont care what I look like'.
The multi-class/single character thing is fine imo. I actually like class specialisation and the 'old' way of doing it, as I'm an alt-freak, but I see the trend. The Secret World has it too, I played that for a while. I think FF14 does it much beter than TSW btw.
The duty finder is ok for fast xp, but I'd personally rather there were more and better things in the world to do, quests and instances that you could find somewherre, rather than just popping open a window. Whats the point of a world? Still, you dont have to use them, I see. But as they're there, the devs have less need to give us other stuff.
I'm afraid the main storyline has left me totally cold, partly because of the terrible cheesy accent Balderal and the other NPCs use, and partly becsuse of the truly execrable cutscenes. They're interminable, trite, and my character nodding and gurning mutely in slow reaction shots doesn't help at all. It's ironic that the tl;dr crowd has caused text delivery to be reduced to almost nothing, replaced by cutscenes shich invariably take far longer to watch than a few paragraphs of well-written prose.
And my comment about the weather was genuine. The weather and the night sky especially are very cool. I havent seen any weather of note before in an MmO. FF14 generally looks very pretty indeed in terms of its world, architecturr, terrain and atmosphere. There's a bit too much map loading for my liking, I hate the invisible walls, and the cities are woefully laid out (no urban planning done at all obviously) to force longer running about, but its a gorgeous spectacle. Can't fault the look. -
05-15-2014, 09:41 PMIhmThat's about as stupid as complaining that an RPG isn't an FPS. An MMO caters to MMO players, what were you expecting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecosmith
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05-16-2014, 02:15 AMEcosmithI was expecting it to cater to me; an MMO player. I have no idea what you are implying, I'm afraid. This isn't Diablo, it's an MMORPG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ihm
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05-16-2014, 03:08 AMNiwashiMost MMOs, including this one, are RPGs. They're all about the quests. Sure, there are a number of other things going on as well, but it's all centered around a story and the quests that make up or expand on that story. Of course it's going to be judged on how well it delivers the story which it exists for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ihm
Personally, I think it does a pretty good job on that for the most part, which is the whole reason I like the game well enough to still be here. But it certainly could do better in many ways. In particular, I'd like to see a lot more quests available. The first 15 levels on your first class are by far the most fun part of the game precisely because that part you can do entirely with quests. I'd like to be able to complete the remainder of the game largely though quests as well.
In some cases, the basics of quests already exist. Leves are essentially just quests with all the fun parts taken out. I really think it would be better if they added the NPC interaction about the purpose of the leve and made them regular but repeatable quests. Guildhests could also be improved significantly by having a bit of exposition added, at least for your first run through each one, sort of the way dungeons and trials have a wrapper quest that gets you into them for the first time, guildhests could as well. -
05-16-2014, 01:11 PMGnovaMMOs are all about combat and character development, not quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
Quests are I portent to some but if you don't have the dungeons/raids or a good combat system a MMO is doomed.
I'll take a game with quality dungeons and well balanced classes over quest hub Christmas trees any day.
I would argue the opposite about leviquests. They are your basic side quests with the boring parts removed. I still don't like them either.
My preferred method for leveling a character is to never leave the dungeon queue since that is the best way to get a MMO experience in this game (ie playing with other players). -
05-16-2014, 01:23 PMGnovaHe is saying that pretty much all of your comments about the game point you towards single player RPGs and away from MMOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecosmith
You are complaining about standard MMO mechanics.
The masters of the story driven RPG have tried to create a MMO that is more in line with what you seem to want but it flopped (TOR). It should have been a single player game since it sucked as a MMO. Too many quests, not enough MMO to keep people subbed. -
05-16-2014, 02:40 PMEcosmithDear god, that sounds absolutely awful. Still, what an amazing saving on having to design a world to set your 'MMO' in, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
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05-17-2014, 01:14 AMNiwashiSo avoiding the entire MMO aspect of the game (i.e. the open landscape where it's massively multiplayer) is your idea of the best MMO experience? That that sounds horribly boring is a matter of opinion, so I can accept that some people might like to play the game that way. But I can't see how anyone would consider that to make it a good MMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
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05-17-2014, 03:13 AMGnovaNo it isn't my ideal MMO experience but it is closer than running around doing solo content all day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niwashi
To me MMO means playing with other players and you only do you that in FF14 when in instances. -
05-17-2014, 03:15 AMGnovaMy preferred MMO experience would be level 5-50 in overland groups exploring non-insyanced dungeons and killing named mobs for gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
Even Dark Souls 2, which doesn't even pretend to be a MMO, has a more MMO feel to it than overland FF14 outside of cities. At least players invading or being summoned directly affect your gameplay.
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05-17-2014, 04:49 AMNiwashiExcept that the gear is indirect (through seals) I think that's kind of what FATEs are intended to be. Either a massive boss monster or swarms of smaller ones that take numerous people to take down, but they appear on the open landscape rather than in an instance, so anyone in the area can join in. The concept's great. The implementation, however, is a bit of a letdown, I think because there's rarely any sort of complex mechanics involved, so if you try doing a lot of them, they just become a mindless grind. I think if as much care went into designing the FATE system as designing the dungeons, they could have the potential of being a real highlight of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnova
(The only case I can think of where any other mechanic was used in a FATE beyond "just kill everything" was a temporary FATE during the winter festival, where you need to kill imps, but couldn't attack them until you got hit by a snowball from the boss. At least it demonstrated that yes, it's possible to put fight mechanics into a FATE. If they'd follow up and expand on that idea a bit further, they could come up with something good.)