[suggestion] Turn 5 and "old" Coil echo

Hello everyone . I'd like to share idea that popped in head ;p about T5 that actually can make happy everyone since t5 is actually already bit outdated so it no harm . We all know that every 2 week (expet this one :O) we getting 5% echo buff . After trying DF & PF party i noticed that every attempt is 99% guaranteed win , and even total new partyes can beat it within few solid "go in" attempt . But ! Turn 5 is actually still a beast , and pretty much everyone i think notice why.
To pass conflag in PF/DF with ~5 to 7 new ppl's (1~2 player in DF scenario allways know what/how to do) party spend 30~to 50~ min to prefect or at least pass more or less alive to divebomb phase.
Next. if party passed dives/snakes and safely transfer to Twister phase ( ppl's may notice tonn of PF party know to Twister) that means let's say 50% of time is win.
So my actual thought is do we actually need more echo increase at all if Coil t1-4 is already "Manderville dance fest" ?
Maybe it be better to just ->Remove<- knockback effect from Diveboms :O
Really in my experience of PF/DF party i done & doing last 2 weeks with 15% echo what kills party on dive's it is knockback to walls and that's it . Removing that will allow players in DF and new groups in PF pass it safe , seriously it really can more help now than any echo .
Thank You for read :D

Please no more nerfs of any kind to anything. Players getting better gear and weapons is enough to progress, without extra buff and/or removal of mechanics.

Next up, make turn 5 a tank and spank fight.

If you remove the knock back, no one will have to really worry about divebombs. You're meant to dodge them, not just get hit and get healed. If people can't dodge them, then they should rethink how they do T5, cause that's the least of your worries I would think.

Or one person who knows how to handle divebombs can show them exactly where to go after Twin disappears, and also show them where to run to at the top of the dip after the DB marker appears.

What needs "to be removed" is players using Duty Finder for T5 is the expectations of a one shot. Also SE should add ACC requirements for coil DF.

I suggest we could remove knockback from Titan's landslide as well. Because you know, it's not fair and stuff..

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I suggest we could remove knockback from Titan's landslide as well. Because you know, it's not fair and stuff..

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That would also require people to not accidentally run off the edge. There should be a railing that appears after a wipe on 25% echo buff.

For T5 Divebombs they should extend the time from the Sound to when Divebombs happen from 2 seconds to 15.
(Sarcasm off)

If you're going to PUG T5 it's probably worthwhile to make some macros for things like Divebombs. If the DPS can't slow up and pay attention when you hit an all caps macro that says "DIVEBOMBS in 5!" then you need to replace the DPS.

OP is the ultimate proof spoonfeeding peeps is NEVER EVER ENOUGH

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

That would also require people to not accidentally run off the edge. There should be a railing that appears after a wipe on 25% echo buff.

For T5 Divebombs they should extend the time from the Sound to when Divebombs happen from 2 seconds to 15 minutes in case someone needs to use the bathroom, answer the phone or run to the store.
(Sarcasm off)

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There we go XD

og lol guess that was bad idea to post any thoughts on forum ; ;

The problem is, you're actually asking to remove one mechanic totally. Remove knockback from dives, and you may as well remove totally the dives.

the whole point of divebombs is to knockback.

try not getting sent flying after getting hit by a freight train of a dragon.

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

og lol guess that was bad idea to post any thoughts on forum ; ;

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Nope, it depends on the rationale of your thoughts and suggestion.

Personally I am fine even if they buff echo of coil to 50% to help people clear, so that I can see more players around the new coil. They may clear T5 with buff, but at least they are trained in dealing with mechanics. Mechanics such as twisters and divebombs, and the team knows how to stun-lock Dreadknight.

Your suggestion of removing the knockback of Divebombs is as good as requesting it to be removed, which is quite ridiculous because it's one of the skill checks and designs of T5. It's like removing the bees from Demon Wall in AK.. completely made Demon Wall fight a joke and pushover.

Why should you be Divebomb trained? Yes you should, it is very important. It teaches you how to stack properly. If you can't stack properly and have your team flying all over the place, Acid Rain in T6 will be a problem. Ballistic Missiles in T8 will be a problem. If you can't stun-lock Dreadknight properly, you'd probably having issues with Levi EX too. You have to understand that all these mechanics actually train players up and condition them to deal with mechanics and push you to learn your class more and play better.

Having Echo buff to allow more mistakes to push newer players or players lagging behind thru old content is fine for me - but blinding pushing them and ended up them learning nothing and letting them diving into new and tougher contents is plain bad. It only results in ppl being paired up with bad players and you will have QQs of people being paired with bad players and bad players QQ about how tough the new contents were and crying nerf nerf nerf all day long (I'm still sad that Pharos got nerfed. It's one of the fun dungeons I would gladly take my PLD in over my main class BRD).

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

og lol guess that was bad idea to post any thoughts on forum ; ;

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Ppl who say all that " no more nerfs plz " are ppl with statics. ( almost 100% positive on this lol )
They obviously don't know / don't remember what it's like to be partied up with other non static coil goers.
But it's always going to hard as long as there r 1 shot / 7k + damage attacks. If they remove it/ nerf it to a number that is survivable then all will be good.
Perhaps just take out the whole firewall :/ then i bet DBs will be less omg wtf in DF/ PF.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Ppl who say all that " no more nerfs plz " are ppl with statics. ( almost 100% positive on this lol )
They obviously don't know / don't remember what it's like to be partied up with other non static coil goers.
But it's always going to hard as long as there r 1 shot / 7k + damage attacks. If they remove it/ nerf it to a number that is survivable then all will be good.
Perhaps just take out the whole firewall :/ then i bet DBs will be less omg wtf in DF/ PF.

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An i90ish WAR will have 10k HP with current echo buff, not enough to survive death sentence?

Stacking for DB that difficult?

thats like saying remove the knockback from titan and leviathan. why not just have a button that you push that skips you to the next turn?

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

That would also require people to not accidentally run off the edge. There should be a railing that appears after a wipe on 25% echo buff.

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Bumpers, like my kids use at the bowling alley!!

/signed!

Syn

i've not been able to pass divebombs for a long time, about 5 months, cos of my unstable internet, but removing knockback from a mechanic that is only even dangerous because it causes knockback.. are you mental.. games are interactive and require input, otherwise go watch movies

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Ppl who say all that " no more nerfs plz " are ppl with statics. ( almost 100% positive on this lol )
They obviously don't know / don't remember what it's like to be partied up with other non static coil goers.
But it's always going to hard as long as there r 1 shot / 7k + damage attacks.

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I do remember in fact when I had to pug for turn 5 to get a clear earlier than my static would take me. If you don't have 1-shot mechanics that enforce the learning of those mechanics, people will just overgear it and brute force it. You know why those SNES games were so difficult? They have 1-shot mechanics: get hit once and you're dead. And besides Death Sentence + Plummet + Auto-attack combo, nothing in there deals more than 7k damage unless it's 1-shot.
With that said, no more nerfs please.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

That would also require people to not accidentally run off the edge. There should be a railing that appears after a wipe on 25% echo buff.

For T5 Divebombs they should extend the time from the Sound to when Divebombs happen from 2 seconds to 15.
(Sarcasm off)

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You mean like in bowling? :D