Dumbing down?

I'm worried that with the coming of 1.18 they'll get rid of a lot of items needed for crafting. I personally thought the broad range of items needed for crafting was part of its appeal. Like needing to make iron rings to make iron chains which then can be used in making the chainmail vest for a haubergeon. I really hope they're not dumbing it down to where you can craft a whole haubergeon out of like 3 iron ingots and some leather. That'd just be really boring.

If anything, 1.19 at the earliest are crafting system changes. All 1.18 is doing is introducing Dark matter for repairs only.

No need to panic just yet. ;)

I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game.

I approve of the direction they appear to be going in.

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game.

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Love it, seen multiple posts of yours lol

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Originally Posted by Pyrix

I'm worried that with the coming of 1.18 they'll get rid of a lot of items needed for crafting. I personally thought the broad range of items needed for crafting was part of its appeal. Like needing to make iron rings to make iron chains which then can be used in making the chainmail vest for a haubergeon. I really hope they're not dumbing it down to where you can craft a whole haubergeon out of like 3 iron ingots and some leather. That'd just be really boring.

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I understand where your coming from, with the new repair item dark matter I am worried myself

I admit, I'm worried myself. I love crafting. I know some people hate it but I genuinely love it. I actually use the abilities and don't spam through bad orb states. I like that parts have to be made before they can then be put together to make a finished item, which can then sometimes be further enhanced or decorated. I really don't want to see this go away because, for me, crafting was the only thing XIV actually did well right out of the gate.

The question is, what could we possibly do to ask them not to dumb down the crafting system to something as boring as using cloth, thread and a crystal and that's it? Or like my earlier comment about a couple ingots and a fire crystal somehow making a haubergeon. How could we let them know we don't want a dumbed down crafting system?

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Originally Posted by Pyrix

The question is, what could we possibly do to ask them not to dumb down the crafting system to something as boring as using cloth, thread and a crystal and that's it? Or like my earlier comment about a couple ingots and a fire crystal somehow making a haubergeon. How could we let them know we don't want a dumbed down crafting system?

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Pretty much what we are already doing. In addition we must all be willing to voice our opinions consistently when non-crafters create threads about wanting changes to crafting, respectfully of course. If SE only hears one side, they are going to assume it is a unanimous voice.

I don't really feel the Dark Matter thing is dumbing down the process -- I think its streamlining it. One, it means you have to carry less extra junk around to be able to repair your gear -- which is always a good thing. Secondly, it means you waste less of your more valuable resources on repairing things and thus have more materials for crafting new gear.

As someone who's going to level all crafts, I find this to be a much much MUCH better way to handle the universal repair mechanic than having you carry around a ton of things you only need to repair one of your 8+ equipment items.

As far as simplification of the rest of the crafting system -- it may or may not happen -- who knows.

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Originally Posted by Celtodeno

I am increasingly getting depressed about the dumbing down of the game.

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And yet the more they streamline the game, the more positive feedback they receive. Funny how that works.

I really enjoy that what you make actually came from somewhere. When you shoot an arrow, you can literally think to your self. okay, i have this arrow that is basicly some carved blue coral that's razor sharp, and it's tied to a arrowwood arrowshaft that was made out of a branch of arrowwood, and some swan feathers or w.e made the fletching, and that's glued on by scale glue.

now THAT is some specific crafting lol. Like okay, well thank you to to fisher for getting those corals, thank you to the botanist for the shaft, etc. like i can literally see this arrow being made with these materials in real life

something i truly love :) can't wait to sign our gear!

Making features less convoluted = dumbing them down.

There is good complexity and then there is needless complexity.

Is crafting harder to understand and requires more intelligence when you need to hunt down 10 items instead of 5? An interesting mindset.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

Making features less convoluted = dumbing them down.

There is good complexity and then there is needless complexity.

Is crafting harder to understand and requires more intelligence when you need to hunt down 10 items instead of 5? An interesting mindset.

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no mate, but it's more involved! i guess the description i'm looking for is this:

Crafting in FFXIV is detailed.

I will admit Violence makes a good point. With having Dark Matter for repairs you can keep your valuable crafting materials solely for crafting. With his post I'm less worried about the dark matter. Except maybe for market prices :P But I just hope they don't get rid of metal wire, which you make into rings and then chains for chainmail or leather into leather straps and the like. I don't want my crafting experience dumbed down is all.

I'm not worried about them consolidating the repair system to 5 items at max when I have serious inventory problems. NM gear for multiple classes, mage gear for a couple leves for my thm and conj, + 2 crafting classes around 30, it's already an inventory problem. Especially hermes shoes, asuran armgaurds, onion helm, these are items I'm not likely to get rid of but will still be on my retainer or my inventory if i need them.

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Originally Posted by alexi14

no mate, but it's more involved! i guess the description i'm looking for is this:

Crafting in FFXIV is detailed.

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Crafting is detailed? well yes crafting the first item and the mats needed are good...except when you need to get materials from monsters 20 ranks above the item you wanna craft (seriously whats up with that....) also the crafting system is BORING as hell. People shouldnt have to feel the need to turn on their tvs to watch a movie while mashing the action button to craft...

It's still better than the complete uninvolvement in crafting in games such as World of Warcraft where you just click a button and the game crafts the item in about 3 seconds.

I can live with the setup we have now if the crafting process itself is made more fun.

When we started it was a big deal that a level 40 monster dropped an item for a level 10 craft, because no one could fight that level 40 monster yet. Now lots of people can kill that monster and sell the item, which was the intention from the start we just had to get to that point.
I think what they need to address now is simply improving the enjoyment of the crafting process.

I personally don't mind the details in the crafting system. I do feel it is a bit too detailed, though. Like in the chainmail example, why do I need to go from ingot > wire > rings > chain > various parts > chainmail. I'd be happier to cut out the middle man and go from ingot > more chain > chainmail. It doesn't dumb down the process, only brings it down to an acceptable level of detail.

Something I feel needs to be simplified is the fact that depending on what type of shirt you want to make you have a different group of shirt parts. If Squenix wants to do a shirt front-back-sleeve combo, that's fine but it'd be nice if there were one front piece and one back piece per base material, not one for every type of shirt. Little things like that Squenix went overboard on needs to be corrected.

I like the the changes done to crafting so far. Can't say that it's being dumbed down, when the whole 'sit in one place for hours and press confirm' is quite dumb itself, while my inventory threatens to explode with all the different mats. I'll always vote for user friendly over elaborate if it ever boils down to something black & white like that. No reason not to have both, but I doubt that SE is capable of finding a happy medium, at least not in near future. They are going towards that slowly so, overall, I'm happy.