But don't you think that past i90 for Allagan and Tome sets that they could at least expend some effort to make everything have a unique model? I don't think that's too much to ask considering it's end game gear.
At least for the Allagan gear there's -some- justification considering it prevents unnecessary expansion of the loot table to accommodate all jobs (For instance if you make Summoner/Black Mage Allagan into two different sets then that makes it that much harder for that job to get their drop), but there's no reason things like the Bard/Dragoon sets in CT or the Caster/Healer (or Dragoon/Monk/Bard) sets in First Coil should all have the exact same models.
I can understand low level gear having some model overlap
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05-09-2014, 01:41 AMPrototype909I can understand low level gear having some model overlap
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05-09-2014, 01:54 AMPArcher
Don't look at High Allagan...BRD and Caster have the same armor models (wait, what?) and MNK/DRG share (Healer and Tank are unique). Sol gear BRD and MNK share, rest are their own (Healer, Tank, DRG, Caster)
Also, BRD and DRG CT gear isn't completely shared; BRD hat and DRG mask are "unique" (to the sets); same for Caster/Heals (heads are different) -
05-09-2014, 01:57 AMDesidious
Calvary Mask (tank) and Onion Mask (drg) are the same as well. lol
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05-09-2014, 02:03 AMHakuroDK
I definitely agree that there should be someone on quality control for these sorts of things.
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05-09-2014, 02:06 AMMoheeheeko
meanwhile, the new PvP gear is job specific, not role specific.
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05-09-2014, 02:07 AMTitor
Yeah, it's a bit weird. I feel with every new patch they put a LOT of work and detail into the environment, the npcs, and the cutscenes, but yet they seem to fall short with gear. For a game that's exceeded in everything else so well it's so weird that they recycle a lot of their gear (And that a lot of it recycled from gear that is dyeable but the recycled gear is not dyeable, and it's not a unique color)
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05-09-2014, 02:11 AMFerth
Not to mention just how extremely ugly the high Allagan maiming set is.
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05-09-2014, 02:59 AMPrototype909You'd almost think that the current soldiery sets should be the PvP gear and the PvP gear would be the tome set because it's job specific.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
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05-09-2014, 03:06 AMVersiroth
I agree completely. All end game sets should be different. Having multiple jobs look exactly the same with a color variation is very lazy.
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05-09-2014, 03:11 AMGesser
Thing is: there should be some 'universal' sets. Think about how many Jobs will be added to this game... if we want unique sets, we'd have to ask them not to implement many more classes.
I'd prefer more Jobs over more unique set(s).
For each Job there will be 1) relic weapon 2) artifact gear 3) artifact gear ii 4) some other unique sets.
That is a shish ton of assets/resources.
For now, it appears 'lame', but they're looking ahead into the future when they reuse art assets.
Also those art assets are probably currently being utilized designing that list for the new Jobs.
It's not lazy, as my above point... think where those assets are being used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Versiroth
It's a matter of allocation, I'd much prefer they allocate their time toward new Jobs' art assets.
Yes it does. Incentivisation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
It also matters from a design-standpoint (in a general sense) more that players appear unique in a PvP environment, think about Frontlines (24 man PvP)... how hard would it be to pick out the BLM's to prevent them from sleeping if they looked just like the healers, just like the SMN's, and so forth. -
05-09-2014, 04:06 AMErrorsThere is, it's SE managing limited system resources across a plethora of systems and wanting to ensure that the quality of the game is experienced the same (or as close as they can) across all systems.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
I understand the frustration as a player who wants variety as well, however the high level of detail they bring into the game via their models does cause some limitations. Sadly, it will only get worse for older systems. Only time will tell really, and SE has a much better picture than the player base does. We tend to see only a very small portion of the picture and throw a fit when things aren't the way we want it, and SE has to manage the how small/large a picture they can put into a frame, and if it's too big where to trim/crop it. -
05-09-2014, 04:31 AMMoheeheekonot very, considering they have very different battle stances, and you know, one doesn't have a giant glowing pet following them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
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05-09-2014, 04:45 AMGesserContext man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
24 man PvP environment, it won't be 'as easy'.
Sure to the trained eye it's not 'very difficult', but I can imagine it a 24-man setting, a lot more class-clarity wouldn't hurt.
Besides, my point (contextually) was it's more important in PvP than PvE, not that it's essential or necessary.
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05-09-2014, 04:51 AMMoheeheekoand my point was if they can put that much effort into gear that very few will even get, why cant they do the same for gear that a large majority of people will, namely tome gear.Quote:
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05-09-2014, 05:38 AMGesserI spoke to that, incentivization.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
Also reward. The people who put in the hard work & the effort, slaving away deserve uniqueness moreso in my opinion.
The entirety of the general populace has easy access to Tome gear, so a generalized set is more suitable.
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05-09-2014, 06:13 AMGooner_iBluAirJGRWORD AND THAT'S UPSETTING because I doubt I'll ever be a high enough rank to use any of it!!!!!!!!!!! They need more unique gear models whether it makes the loot tables bigger or not!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
p.s. why does mnk/drg/brd i90 allagan look the same with some recolors? dafuq? -
05-17-2014, 07:23 AMPrototype909So PvP gear which is buried inside a system which most people don't even want to have anything to do with (Or at least, until they get their vanity gear) deserves more attention than actual end-game content gear in terms of design? Please. I'll agree that it's there for an incentive but it's more of a "Guys please play PvP, please." than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gesser
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05-17-2014, 07:56 AMGesserNo, it's the reward for those who choose to put in the time PvP'ing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prototype909
Sorry you dislike PvP, but it's your choice to avoid it & therefore not reap its rewards.
Niche systems should be rewarded far greater than the mainstream ones, it just makes sense like that.
Why do players deserve awesome, unique armors who simply beat some 4-mans once a week?
Or how about the ones who by the blood & sweat of their brow grind away endless hours in the arena, don't they deserve it more?