Rotations for two star, 40 durability items

What do people use rotation wise to craft darksteel ingots and such? My hasty touch luck is iffy, I seem to fail 2-3 times on average when I need to use it multiple times and this results in a NQ item, I have been practicing on 2 star food using only the first 40 durability trying to find a good pattern but nothing reliable. Any suggestions? Right now I have 362 craft and 340 control on my crafters with 340 cp.

its simple we don't hq any of those 2 star mats,. we hq the stuff its used for.

otherwise that I'm aware of a good run of hasty's and the standard finish with great strides, ingenuity (2), (innovation), byregots blessing, careful synthesis 2 careful synthesis 2

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Originally Posted by chidarake

its simple we don't hq any of those 2 star mats,. we hq the stuff its used for.

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TC could be talking about the 2 star mats, needed to get into 3 star crafting, in which case HQ is needed.

In any case, there is no 100% method, use HQ mats when available, the rest is luck.

NQs 2-star base components (DS ingots, RG ingots, etc) still sell reasonably well. Maybe at a minor loss. Just take your chances with the hasty touch rotation du jour and sell your failures on the marketboard.

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Originally Posted by Highlanderx

In any case, there is no 100% method, use HQ mats when available, the rest is luck.

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This is not true... Allow me to share 100% with the 2 HQ mats

/action "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Hasty Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>

/action "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/action "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/action "Careful Synthesis II" <me> <wait.3>

EDIT: Apologies, my mistake as this is not what the community feels to truly be 100%.. In a case where there is poor condition on Byregot's Blessing, it will lower chance but this is a very rare scenario.

Nothing that relies on Hasty touch is a 100% method.

80% of the time, all the time?

Don't knock it until you try.. if not 100%... it is 99.99%

If you find a better rotation, I would welcome it.. but I am certain this is best.. and to address the OPs question.. this is EXACTLY what he is looking for.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Don't knock it until you try.. if not 100%... it is 99.99%

If you find a better rotation, I would welcome it.. but I am certain this is best.. and to address the OPs question.. this is EXACTLY what he is looking for.

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Yes this is exactly what OP was looking for (coudos). But its also good to mention that this is NOT Guarenteed 100% by any means and that there is a possiblity that he gets an NQ at the end of that rotation! (Loosing his Coke, Peacock, gil etc.) Missleading peoplle into thinking its 100% or even 99.99% (Which this is NOT) isn't very helpful. Any rotation with even 1 Hasty touch in it is not 100% Guarenteed. Is that the only option? YES. Is there a RISK in getting a NQ? YES.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Yes this is exactly what OP was looking for (coudos). But its also good to mention that this is NOT Guarenteed 100% by any means and that there is a possiblity that he gets an NQ at the end of that rotation! (Loosing his Coke, Peacock, gil etc.) Missleading peoplle into thinking its 100% or even 99.99% (Which this is NOT) isn't very helpful. Any rotation with even 1 Hasty touch in it is not 100% Guarenteed. Is that the only option? YES. Is there a RISK in getting a NQ? YES.

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I understand that you both are saying that HT is not 100%... but it is damn near close. This is the golden rotation for 2 star 40 durability, pre Artisans. I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. Anyone that is able to do this rotation that is some what close to being fully melded will pump out HQs with next to NO issues. IF... IF you fail, you can just make a couple more to recoup your loss and make profit. You are underestimating that you only need a few successful HT to get to 100% HQ... once you get to 10% quality, you can miss all other HT and ensure 100% HQ... again to you all that doubt.. don't knock it until you try it. You will surprisingly find out you were wrong.

I'm honestly trying to help here, I have all master books and made a nice amount of gil from these that sold on markets, virtually making my master books free.

Someone for the love of God!.. LOL, try this out and confirm. Thanks :)

Edit: BTW Takes 371 CP for my rotation. Max CP with NQ Fish Soup should give you enough.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Someone for the love of God!.. LOL, try this out and confirm. Thanks :)

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Folks don't need to try it to know it has very high reliability (well, you might want to provide a split-off path for if you get an Excellent during Innovation II, so that the user doesn't hit Byrgot's on a Poor condition), but that is not the point.

Before the last batch of recipes, folks would post 100% HQ rotations from NQ ingredients, and those rotations REALLY WERE 100%. No one claimed 100% success if their recipe had even a single Hasty Touch - if you followed the rotation, you'd get a HQ every single time, no matter how bad your luck.

That is what the OP was hoping for but, to my knowledge, there is no possible 100% HQ from NQ recipe for 40 durability 2-star. What you provided is useful, and possibly the best the OP can hope for, but it is NOT 100% - and that's why you got criticism for claiming that it was.

Apologies then if I was misleading. Nonetheless making 99 out of 100 is pretty damn close.

I'll give it a shot, I worked out a 1-star 40 durability rotation for 380 CP that so far has about a 90% average with zero high quality items, if I put 1 HQ item in it jumps to 100%. I will be using this to make my Nuggets and Silk for the 2-star and the 50 items you need for the tools.

/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Inner quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Steady hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me>

/ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

If the two hasty's hit you wont need any HQ for it, if they fail you have around 90% which is still pretty good. I will give the 2-star one you posted a try this afternoon.

I have a rng rotation that gets me 90% at least most the time if not just flat out 100% on nq mats that only needs 345cp, no food needed.

in reality though I hq practically everything I make with it, however it doesn't work on the trade in item as that is a harder than normal 2star synth.

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Originally Posted by Wizel

/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Inner quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Master's Mend" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Steady hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Hasty Touch" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me><wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me>

/ac "Byregot's Blessing"<me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II"<me>

If the two hasty's hit you wont need any HQ for it, if they fail you have around 90% which is still pretty good. I will give the 2-star one you posted a try this afternoon.

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I have 361 Craftsmanship, is it possible to OS the progression with one Careful Synthesis 2 under Ingenuity 2 with that?

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Originally Posted by Highlanderx

Nothing that relies on Hasty touch is a 100% method.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

80% of the time, all the time?

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Guys, the rotation isn't only based on hasty touch, it is aim to build up the Inner Quiet stack once you are ready to hit Byregot. With this rotation, at 5 IQ stacks, you are SoL for HQ product, at 6 IQ stack, fair chance, and at 7 IQ stack, you are golden.

jc

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Originally Posted by AttacKat

Guys, the rotation isn't only based on hasty touch, it is aim to build up the Inner Quiet stack once you are ready to hit Byregot. With this rotation, at 5 IQ stacks, you are SoL for HQ product, at 6 IQ stack, fair chance, and at 7 IQ stack, you are golden.

jc

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And somehow that makes the rng-less rotation requested?

An rng-less rotation for 40-durability will be this:

/ac "Comfort Zone" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>

Uses 338 cp. Switch last touch to standard @ 354 cp, advanced would be 368. This probably won't get you to 100% quality but it's the closest you'll get without depending on rng, and any nq's you end up with can still be used in 100% quality 0%RNG rotations for 80-durability 2-star items which still sell decently well.

Edit: One Careful Synthesis II may not be enough based on your stats, if not you'll have to replace a touch with another and adjust CP values needed accordingly.

Based on this JP site ... http://yuyuko.chu.jp/ff14/CCG/

HQ crafting master book turn in item, even with my wvr at 391/373/388, using your rotation, I am getting ...
Basic touch:
　品質 : 2503 / 2921
　HQ率 : 81%

Std Touch:
　品質 : 2591 / 2921
　HQ率 : 84%

Adv Touch:
　品質 : 2679 / 2921
　HQ率 : 87%

If I drop down to a low ball 352/346/388 DoH, that Adv HQ drops down to 81%
　品質 : 2493 / 2921
　HQ率 : 81%

In other words, the rotation is always at best at 84% success using AdvT, with max stats. IMHO, as with any rotation, the problem lies at IQ stacking, and you will need 7 for 100%.

I guess the difference is in the approach. Using basic/std/adv touches, it will be very hard to that 100%, if not impossible, and play with the RNG at the end. Using Hasty, we are playing RNG with the IQ stacking, 5, 6, or 7. At IQ5, it is no different, and at IQ7, we are all 100%.

After searching the web, I found the 100-hq-2-stars-set-crafting-gear, and I use this Near 2 star 100% 40D rotation.

Hey, am not knocking anyone's rotation, and that is why we are here, to share and see who has the best overall.

jc

This rotation requires I think 391 craft to finish off with 1x CS II and needs 358 CP so there is plenty of room to replace one more of the hasty's with a basic if you get more CP. If you have lower craftsmanship than this then you have to sacrifice one of the last two Basic Touches for another CS II and your chances to HQ definitely drop.

IQ
CZ
WN
SH II
Hasty x3 (swap these around if not macro'ing if a good/ex. pops up)
Basic x2 (swap these around if not macro'ing if a good/ex. pops up)
Manipulation
SH II
Ingenuity II
Basic x2
GS
BB
CS II

Yeah, tested with the JP site and wanted 389 for my wvr. Maybe it is just me, but I personally shy away from any 1 or 2 star rotation that requires me to have 391 craft.

To achieve that, I either have fully melded my gear, or I already got the astisan tool, which comes after why I need to HQ 2921 40D items.

IME, it is much cheaper, and easier, to reach the 345 CP (388 w HQ food), and use high CP rotations.

391/374 is for those 3 stars rotations ;p

jc

I use more or less what Bunsen uses. It isn't 100% but it doesn't need to be. If you NQ Vanya Silk, Hard Hippo Leather, etc - they sell on the broker for almost at-cost. If you NQ one, just make another and sell the failure.

Here's my "100%", takes 385 CP (you only net +6 from the 2nd CZ):

CZ
IQ
WNII
HTx7
Mani
CZ
HTx3
Mani
SHII
INGII
HTx2
GS
BB
CSII

10 Hasty Touches at 50%, plus 2 more at 80%

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

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Tried it myself. Out of 9 attempts, only 2 made into 100% quality, and 1 turned into NQ. So that's 8 hq & 1 nq. Got my master book anyways.

Poster never mention his craft skill settings though. Mine are craft/control/cp 357/341/343 with bouillabaise HQ for CP food.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Tried it myself. Out of 9 attempts, only 2 made into 100% quality, and 1 turned into NQ. So that's 8 hq & 1 nq. Got my master book anyways.

Poster never mention his craft skill settings though. Mine are craft/control/cp 357/341/343 with bouillabaise HQ for CP food.

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Mine was Craft 359 | Control 351 | CP 345

Could be reason you weren't getting more 100%. Should only need HQ Fish Soup to save some extra gil Congrats on book tho :)

Thank you. ^^

That's ok. I crafted the bouillabaise myself since my CUL already high enough with i70 main tool, and only need nq mats which is cheap enough. ^^

And yeah, it's probably because on WVR, I haven't melded more control to my body piece. Plus I forgot swapping my head gear with i70 spectacle when I attempt making vanya silk . and my offtool still meld-free. lol

Ok. Just gonna adding further comment: the one I attempted on previous post was for 2* 40 dura crafts. It was great for 1* 40 dura though, got mostly 100% quality even with all nq. ^^