Dalamud Minion (1.0 Soundtrac) / Bahamut Minion (2.0 Soundtrack). SE answer me.

Hello.

I am too frusrated.

You released FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn OFFICIALY in my country (Greece) and took my whole 70 Euros for PS3 Collector's Edition and my 121 Euros so far in my subscription plan.

I demand equal opportunities as THE ENTIRETY of the community.
So, imagine my amazement when I realised I couldn't buy Before Meteor soundtrack, and A Realm Reborn soundtrack because you don't ship to Greece.
It's ok I thought, it happens all the time, but then I heard they have 2 exclusive Minions, aka in-game rewards.


NO!
I DEMAND that you give me the 2 Minions, or sell me the soundtracks.


I hope I get an official response to this, because no one bothered to give a damn in customer support.


I'm paying as much as all subscribers, I demand my in-Eorzea content.

I'm expecting an official reply here immediately.

Thanks,

Spiroth.



PS: And all these without counting the massive deceit we PS3 owners were bestowed upon, because you promised us a game, we went out and bought our PS3 for it, and then you didn't deliver, locking us out of the whole experience, but also dozens of items for A Realm Reborn too (including mounts), and even an entirely different story, as we noobs aren't the same Warrior of Light that did the 1.0 events, but rather an entirely new adventurer, while the others are the same.

There's got to be some kind of work around... have a friend buy it outside of your country and ship it to you.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

There's got to be some kind of work around... have a friend buy it outside of your country and ship it to you.

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There's trust issues involve though.

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

PS: And all these without counting the massive deceit we PS3 owners were bestowed upon, because you promised us a game, we went out and bought our PS3 for it, and then you didn't deliver, locking us out of the whole experience, but also dozens of items for A Realm Reborn too (including mounts), and even an entirely different story, as we noobs aren't the same Warrior of Light that did the 1.0 events, but rather an entirely new adventurer, while the others are the same.

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You seem to be complaining that by buying A Realm Reborn you were somehow deceived into thinking you were buying 1.0... yet the entire purpose of ARR's existence was to reboot the original version. Where exactly was the deception here? All this was known over a year before ARR was even released.

As for the soundtracks are you aware that there are other websites selling them other than the SE store? Try Play Asia.

In future please try not to throw a tantrum over things like this when you clearly haven't bothered to actually look for any alternatives yourself.

Also, SE isn't required to be entirely global, or serve every single country.

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

I'm expecting an official reply here immediately.

Thanks,

Spiroth.

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Admittedly buying through a site like Play Asia is going to be expensive, but it's pretty much your only recourse barring actually trusting someone in your company or linkshell to make the purchase for you. As for missing the boat on Legacy, well... yeah, that was advertised on Lodestone WELL in advance of it going live and was the primary reason I stopped waiting for the PS3 version, but I most certainly didn't buy a PS3 for XIV. I bought it to be in the next gen WITH backwards compatibility, which is a reason I've not touched the PS4. As for that official response, don't hold your breath. Right now your post reads too much like a whine and that's only going to get you cheese.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Right now your post reads too much like a whine and that's only going to get you cheese.

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NO! Cheese is for Illuminati!

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

I DEMAND STUFF CAUSE I POSTED ON A FORUM OP

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I'm sorry, who are you again? Player 749,804/2,000,000? You demand...? LOL, okay. Keep seeing how demanding anything from anyone, or anything, works out for you.

Entitled folks in the world today, good grief.

Overreact much?

Nothing more to say here but, people say that we Americans are demanding.... seriously?

Pay a friend to buy them but give you the codes then ship you your CDs?

Plenty of work arounds.. Like amazon/play-asia and eBay. If you really want them then you know what to do..

You can buy the OST from places other than the SE Store that ship to Greece just fine. I'm Greek and I own both OSTs and the minions.

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

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You get the PS4 version for free, what more do you want?

P.S. "Sephiroth Sama" was taken on your server, I'm guessing? Talk about an original name.

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Originally Posted by Vezemir

You can buy the OST from places other than the SE Store that ship to Greece just fine. I'm Greek and I own both OSTs and the minions.

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/thread. This guy is smart, and OP should follow his example.

There is so much RAGE in your post TC. You need to calm down and use your brain.

Can also see if you find a company that you can purchase items and send it to them, and then they resend the item to you. Such as "Tenso"

Nothing against you, but to see it how it is. . . Greece is not really the trustworthy country in the EU if it comes to money and how to handle it. Maybe SE is also the same opinion and decided not to ship there ^^.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

Nothing against you, but to see it how it is. . . Greece is not really the trustworthy country in the EU if it comes to money and how to handle it. Maybe SE is also the same opinion and decided not to ship there ^^.

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I hope you're joking.

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

So, imagine my amazement when I realised I couldn't buy Before Meteor soundtrack, and A Realm Reborn soundtrack because you don't ship to Greece.

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If they don't ship to that country, then they don't.

If there isn't a large demand for that particular country it's understandable why they might not deliver.
Try calling their store in Europe and let them know that you feel able to pay extra to have it couriered to your home as they might be willing to do so.
There are plenty of people and companies willing to re-sell the OST, or are willing to re-direct the shipping from another country.

As for 'Make all mounts/minions easily avaliable', they won't do this.

Minion/Mounts/Vanity Items are a fantastic marketing tool in selling something.
"I like the soundtrack, but the price tag is quite high....OH but you get this neat minion too...well I guess I can pay the extra they want for it"


We can't have everything we want in life.
As an adult (I would hope) you should have the capacity to know that you can't have everything.

i admit, i don't see why they don't sell it as Digital download on them shop... physical version is nice and all, but ask to have a blueray not everyone have one. i have the first one and can't read it because of this.
adding this as digital content you can buy and download from them shop will hit a huge succes i'm sure of it. they really need to think about it.

and don't talk about trouble of server for download it, they exist already since we can dl the mp3 version via the disk information when you read it.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

Nothing against you, but to see it how it is. . . Greece is not really the trustworthy country in the EU if it comes to money and how to handle it. Maybe SE is also the same opinion and decided not to ship there ^^.

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Maybe there are some legal reasons for them not being able to send it. Although I didn´t find anything while checking Royal Mail website. There was one article about games, but I think that was only prohibiting sending playing cards.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i admit, i don't see why they don't sell it as Digital download on them shop... physical version is nice and all, but ask to have a blueray not everyone have one. i have the first one and can't read it because of this.
adding this as digital content you can buy and download from them shop will hit a huge succes i'm sure of it. they really need to think about it.

and don't talk about trouble of server for download it, they exist already since we can dl the mp3 version via the disk information when you read it.

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Yep, I prefer digital as well. There is this, but it doesn´t come with the minion if that is important.

well is not hard to offer the whole ost+the minion in Digital download. they simply want to sell the physical version, i can understand this and i'm sure people will still buy it even if the digital version exist.
they simply need to make it happend!

Welcome to the International Copyright Hour. Hosted by ASCAP, BMI & their counterparts from all points on the globe. The only certainty with rights holders, is the uncertainty when crossing national borders. /em bangsheadonwall

& lulz at the 1.0 dig.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

well is not hard to offer the whole ost+the minion in Digital download. they simply want to sell the physical version, i can understand this and i'm sure people will still buy it even if the digital version exist.
they simply need to make it happend!

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Part of the appeal of the Physical version is it's more than just the MP3s. You get full 24 bit/96khz audio as well.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Part of the appeal of the Physical version is it's more than just the MP3s. You get full 24 bit/96khz audio as well.

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indeed, but i want the music and getting them directly in digital since i don't have the blue-ray will make me happy. i will surely buy the physical anyway

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

indeed, but i want the music and getting them directly in digital since i don't have the blue-ray will make me happy. i will surely buy the physical anyway

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The other thing is the minion is meant to be limited, so if the OST was offered digitally, you'd not likely get it anyways.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

P.S. "Sephiroth Sama" was taken on your server, I'm guessing? Talk about an original name.

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Not taken. A lot of names of characters from previous FF games (i.e. "Cloud" "Squall" "Sephiroth") are not allowed for this very reason. A few of their derivatives are locked, too. That's why you see so many Klouds, Flouds, Sheffiross, and even Spiroths.

I remember there was an NPC at Camp Tranquil in 1.0 that asked if your name was XxSephirothxX and talked about how tough it was to tell adventurers apart because they all have similar names.

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Originally Posted by ispano

The other thing is the minion is meant to be limited, so if the OST was offered digitally, you'd not likely get it anyways.

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they can still by offering by example to the 100.000 first buyer, still limited there.

The reason the soundtracks are not available for sale in Greece is very simple. It is most likely one or both of the two following things.

1.) The copyright laws in Greece do not allow SE to sell their soundtrack there, or make it too expensive for them to sell it there and it's just not worth the effort to them.

2.) They do not have their own distribution office in Greece and there is no distributor in your country that has paid SE Japan the licensing fee required to buy the right to distribute the soundtrack in your country.

Neither of these are SE's fault. They cannot force a distributor in your area to buy the license, and opening an office of their own may not be financially worth the effort for them. They did not make international copyright laws, but they are required to follow them. And they are entitled to be paid by distributors in areas where they are unable to distribute themselves for the products that they have created with their hard work. They are also entitled to pass you over if it requires too much effort or money on their part to get through your country's copyright laws. Either go through a third party (which, by the way, is usually CHEAPER), urge a distributor in your area to license the soundtracks for sale in Greece, or contact your lawmakers about a change to Greece's international copyright laws.

And if you wanted to play FFXIV 1.x, you should have bought it when it originally came out several years ago. They probably could have used your support. It's not their fault that you failed to buy their product when you had the chance. You have no one to blame for missing out on the 1.x content but yourself. If you really, really, really want to see the storyline, you can easily youtube it. As for the items, you missed your chance by not buying and playing the game when it was originally released. The reason 1.0 was never released on PS3 was because the game flopped hardcore, and they put all of their effort into making it playable and providing content to the people who were still hanging in there and supporting them on the PC version. If the game you made is a failure, putting the money and effort into releasing it on another platform is the equivalent of fiscal suicide. This is simple economics here, not brain surgery. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out.

Sheesh, and people say we Americans are spoiled, entitled brats. I mean, we kinda are, but we're clearly not the only ones. Seriously dude, all of your problems can be solved by spending 14 seconds doing a google search or two. Childishly demanding that SE respond to you is not likely to get a response out of them, especially when what you demand from them can easily be found by politely asking forum goers here, using your own common sense, or through very little effort on your own. Next time, try thinking before exploding at those who are not even at fault. It'll save everyone involved a whole lot of trouble and headache.

Nope. Just nope.

By Square-Enix announcing FINAL FANTASY XIV in E3 2009 for PC and PLAYSTATION 3, they deceived me into buying a PLAYSTATION 3 to play what they promised to play.
They deceived me. I could upgrade my PC back then with the 400 Euros.

Also, don't tell me about external sites. I speciically e-mailed Play-Asia and they specifically replied:

"We can't guarranty the code will be available."


So, you're wrong, and 2 in-game items not being available to a subscriber who pays the same as another subscriber, and put the same effort as the other subscribe, is not acceptable.

End of debate.

@Shioban


Thanks for the helpful post. But realise that Square-Enix has indeed released their service in Greece.
And charge the same amount of money for us.

Because of that, I demand the same perks. Nothing more.

Every single post in this topic except yours, is ridiculous.
People throw in ridiculous accusations too like saying "You should have supported 1.0" when I clearly explained I did and Square-Enix failed me, or that the fact some people got the PS4 version for free is somehow relevant to this isse, or even more ridiculous and braindead stuff, like someone criticising me for my username, thinking it's something else when it's in fact my real name, like if it even was what he cluelessly thought it was, it would mean something, etc.

I am not asking for any *gift*, and I have zero entitlements.
I just demand the services Square-Enix owns me by accepting my payment, and I mean the same opportunities or all in-game items as everyone who pays the same, as was clearly explained by Mr. Yoshida on his description of the subscription payment method choice.

I am sure SE would have loved the 1st edition to succeed and release the PS3 edition. Sadly it didn´t happen, but it isn´t like they completely dropped the entire game. They remade it from ground up and released ARR. Which was also released to PS3, so I hardly see how they deceived you in the end.
Also haven´t there been other great games you played on the PS3 in the meantime? If not then that is quite a pity, because there are some great games for the console.

As for the PS4, it was merely people mentioning you can upgrade to the PS4 edition for free if you have a PS3 through the Mogstation. (Until the end of the year that is).

I can understand your frustration that the SE store doesn´t officially send merchandises to your country. Personally I would have liked that the SE store was better as well. Both in having more items that is exclusive to the JP store, as well as better delivery methods.
At least the OST isn´t impossible to get through certain simple means, and the code isn´t region locked. Although for the code it is important you pre-order it in time, especially in regards to ordering it from external sites such as CDjapan, and Yes-Asia.

I don´t make a habit of commenting about strangers, however if the way you are acting isn´t something that can be called entitled, then I dunno what is.

You mentioned about people having the same opportunities by having a subscription. Yet you have no qualm about purchasing the OST for the code. Which is something that I would say doesn´t have much to do about having a subscription.
It is merely a bonus that comes with the OST, granted people have joked about it being a minion that comes with the OST as a bonus. :p
It isn´t like this will be the only exclusive items that will be unavailable to other. Certain event such as Lightning event related gear won´t likely be available to future subscribers.

tl;dr Eat a snicker, you are acting entitled. You weren´t deceived. PS4 upgrade is free to everyone that has a PS3. SE Store does need to be improved. There will always be something that will be unlikely or impossible to get for future subcribers. It is not the end of the world.

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

"We can't guarranty the code will be available."

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Because they CAN'T guarantee it would be available. Even though it WOULD BE if you bought it instead of being an indecisive fool.

/hugs his Bahamut minion.

I hope I see you in game so I can spam /laugh at you, and /point at my Wind-Up Bahamut.

You sure are one entitled jerk.

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Originally Posted by SavageWolf

Because they CAN'T guarantee it would be available. Even though it WOULD BE if you bought it instead of being an indecisive fool.

/hugs his Bahamut minion.

I hope I see you in game so I can spam /laugh at you, and /point at my Wind-Up Bahamut.

You sure are one entitled jerk.

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Wow.... Entitled when I don't ask for anything other than the same chance as everyone else to have the same in-game experience for the same amount of money... Wow...
Well, blacklist and reporting exist for a reason I guess.

@Ouria


Thanks for the helpful manner of advise.
I am just frustrated about the incomplete in-gamee experience. I don't know why people got hang up on my 1.0 comment, as this topic is specifically about the Dalamud / Bahamut in-game Minions, which I will have, no matter what.

On the sideline, I also just found a sealed Garlond Goggles Edition with Garlond Goggles inside for just 19 Euros, and I am so happy about this.
There is also one left if anyone cares.

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Originally Posted by SavageWolf

Because they CAN'T guarantee it would be available. Even though it WOULD BE if you bought it instead of being an indecisive fool.

/hugs his Bahamut minion.

I hope I see you in game so I can spam /laugh at you, and /point at my Wind-Up Bahamut.

You sure are one entitled jerk.

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Two wrongs don't make a right you know.
Doesn't give you a right to mock and laugh at someone's misfortune just because they are being rather aggressive about it.
He has a complaint, he's just voicing it very angrily.

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Originally Posted by Aubog007

Two wrongs don't make a right you know.
Doesn't give you a right to mock and laugh at someone's misfortune just because they are being rather aggressive about it.
He has a complaint, he's just voicing it very angrily.

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Keep in mind English is not my native language, but advise taken! :)

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Originally Posted by Spiroth

I am not asking for any *gift*, and I have zero entitlements.
I just demand the services Square-Enix owns me by accepting my payment, and I mean the same opportunities or all in-game items as everyone who pays the same, as was clearly explained by Mr. Yoshida on his description of the subscription payment method choice.

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That's just it... SE doesn't owe you anything other than what you're already getting for paying your subscription. You are paying for the right to play the game on their servers, nothing more. You are NOT entitled to anything more than that. Paying your subscription fee is nothing more than paying your subscription fee. No one else in the entire world gets more for their subscription fee than you do. People in other countries are able to pay more money to purchase the soundtracks directly from SE, but as I explained in my previous post that you obviously didn't read, there are likely either copyright or distribution rights issues with selling the soundtrack in yours. Australia is having the same issue, as I understand, and there are probably others as well. People all around the world have to pay more than just their subscription fee for the soundtracks. They are not simply getting these items for free because they subscribe. You are not being cheated out of anything. You receive the same service for the same money as everyone else in the entire world. From your posts, I don't think you really seem to understand that fact. They are not simply getting them for free because they subscribe. They are not getting any special treatment. They are receiving the same services that you are for their subscription fees. You are acting like a spoiled little brat by demanding more for your money than anyone else is getting. And Yoshi-P was correct, you will receive the same in-game items as everyone else for the same fees. You have not paid for the soundtrack items, therefore you do not get them. You have not paid for them, therefore you are entitled to nothing. You have paid for the right to play the game on their servers and nothing more. You are demanding an item you have not paid for, therefore, yes, you ARE asking for a gift. Once you do pay for it, you will receive it just the same as anyone else. You have the same opportunity as anyone else to buy those soundtracks, albeit from a third party, so you have the same opportunity as anyone else to receive the in-game items. You will not receive what you have not paid for, and no amount of demanding is going to change that fact. This is a very simple concept that even my 4 year old twins have grasped.

Simplest solution: Import the soundtrack from a third party. It's easy, and, I've found in the past, usually cheaper than buying directly from SE, especially if you find a good deal on Ebay or Amazon. People have already posted where you can buy it, including someone IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. But, just in case you missed them, try CD Japan, Yes Asia, Ebay, Amazon Marketplace, or even just google it, I'm sure that'll come up with a few hits. You are completely ignoring EVERY SINGLE OTHER POSSIBILITY AMONGST MANY so that you can fixate on SE not selling it to you because of what is most likely an issue with your country's copyright/distribution laws and no fault of their own. Good god man, stop crying, and throwing tantrums, and help yourself. This is not rocket science. You do not need to be a brain surgeon to figure this out. If one seller can't or won't sell to you, TRY ANOTHER!!! In the time that you've spent complaining about this problem that isn't really all that much of a problem, and replying to people who have told you that it's not much of a problem, you could have ordered the soundtracks from fifteen different online distributors.

Stop complaining about things that SE has no control over.

Copyright laws and distribution difficulties are what they are. SE has no control over the laws in any country, much less yours. Don't blame them for things that are not their fault. Stop being a spoiled little brat, listen to the people who explain it to you rather than ignoring them and continuing to complain like a spoiled brat, and buy the soundtrack from a third party already. Jeez dude. Get over yourself. It takes what, 23 seconds to google search for sites that sell the soundtrack? Is that REALLY so hard to do? Is that REALLY such a burden to you that you have to spend 23 whole extra seconds on google to find what you want from a third party seller? Is it REALLY that hard to check Ebay or Amazon Marketplace for a seller that will ship to Greece? My god dude, get over it and find another way. It's not exactly the most difficult thing in the universe to do. You're blaming SE, and demanding they do something, about your own laziness and/or lack of internet know how, and copyright/distribution laws in countries they don't even operate out of? And you say you're not acting like an entitled brat? I beg to differ, good sir. You are. Fortune smiles upon those who help themselves. So why don't you follow the advice of several people on this thread, and help yourself, rather than complaining belligerently and ignorantly, and expecting someone else to fix all of your problems for you.