how hard is it to do the simple things?

I keep getting put into grps where half the grp does not understand the simple fact of "stop casting and move out of aoe's", or for living healer to sc res dead healer instead of trying to single heal (using the excuse, he'll die as soon as i res him). There's a lot of other simple things I keep seeing people do over and over again, but not going to list them all here.

So if you notice some, please list them here.

Oh I also was in a low lvl grp (24-27) with a low lvl mage and all he did was spam sleep.

Following order marks, because targeting that giant 1 on top of a mob apparently requires too much effort.

Does it matter? This is a serious question, what does it solve exactly by listing complaints of people making moronic mistakes or decisions?

I cannot find anything relevant.

For low level content I can at least understand people not moving out of AoEs. Barring bombs, basically everything up to Titan (Normal) isn't actually that dangerous. I've tutored many new players in my FC through content, and so many of them have problems with Titan, half of which come from the fact they haven't developped actual dodging reflexes yet and it's the first time the game seriously punishes not having them. Even for Ifrit's eruptions it's like 70% of your HP at max and unless your healer is asleep at the wheel you'll be healed right back up by the next one. Hell, I don't even think many low level players even realise how much damage they're taking because it can be healed off so easily.

By the high level content, if there's not an effort being made though, that's just unfortunate. Tried and failed is fine; human error is inevitable even in the best. Didn't even try = ????

Also, re healers: Don't assume everyone has swiftcast (or that it's off cooldown). And in a fight like Titan HM, sometimes it is better for the healer to just give up on healing an ally who keeps eating AoEs and instead focus on people that demonstrate the skill to actually stay on their feet; cruel as it sounds.

All that said, I suspect this is just a venting thread.

for dodging, I have explained it more then not, especially for Titan, it isnt that people cant dodge, it is that people when they see the actual action is already too late, is called server lag, for the player everything si smooth but that half a second or even second is enough to kill you, most say .:*he cant dodge*..it would be best to say...he didnt see it on time...people assume too much in this game..wayy too much and judge other's people abilities based on THEIR own criterias and situation....maybe just accepting that when you enter in a group not everybody knows, can or will do as you expect want or demand...if you cant accept that you shoudlnt enter a group with unknowns or any groups for that matter.

For healers, is true, as a scholar, I find it easier to manage mana...but as a whm, if i see the guy is not able to stand on his feet, I wont cast rez again, too much mana, mana that I need to heal those that actually can do something. Players that DEMAND to be rezed are just selfish and really dont take into account what is happening around them more then not, I, healer, need also to take into account that I may be in a situation where I may need to heal 8 people on my own e.g. Titan HM fall over the platform...so you telling me I should rez you use 3/4 (so to speak) of my mana, incidentally I have no Bards to give it back to me, just because you dont want to lay dead there and so risk a wipe (at that point isnt certain it will be a wipe) just for your little selfish comfort? hell no way....

Mei

Maybe your saying it the wrong way as soon as someone starts to be an ass I ignore anything the put in group chat you can say something with being an ass

What's the point...?

And you were in a low level dungeon and you expect them to get it right away? I can't even begin to understand what you were saying about the healer...

lag/dodging is one thing that you just have to live with IMO. Some people use it as code speak for I suck at the game, but otherwise it can be a legit reason. Its no big deal.

Other things, however, can be a really huge PITA. Like explaining to people that have "cleared" T4 that you shouldn't stand in front of the Dreadnought. People who have "cleared" Titan X that provoke him while they and the entire raid are behind him >.> . Tanks that know how to "Speed Run" that flash once. This are all things that if they happen once, hey its no big deal. If you explain it a few times and they blatantly are not listening or use don't understand what is happening, then that is a huge annoyance.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

Don't assume everyone has swiftcast

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if you are a healer an you cant take the time to go lv thm a lil bit for swiftcast, you are gimping yourself and your pt lol Full cast time for raise in mid battle is rediculous an damn near useless. By the time u finish casting it someone else will be dead or almost dead.


On topic, the biggest thing that frustrates me, is when your trying to help a new person in a dungeon, an they dont talk. You explain stuff to them, they just stand there, an then when its time to fight they run in an dont do anything that was discussed cuz they didnt even read the chatlog lol

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

if you are a healer an you cant take the time to go lv thm a lil bit for swiftcast, you are gimping yourself and your pt lol Full cast time for raise in mid battle is rediculous an damn near useless. By the time u finish casting it someone else will be dead or almost dead.

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When I started playing, I had no idea about swiftcast until I was cursed out. How was I suppose to know? Simply explaining about swiftcast would have worked instead of being rude.
So Garlyle is right. Don't assume. Try to explain while being calm. If they don't want to hear you out, let them continue to be fail. Maybe they will learn.

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Originally Posted by Takeva

When I started playing, I had no idea about swiftcast until I was cursed out. How was I suppose to know? Simply explaining about swiftcast would have worked instead of being rude.
So Garlyle is right. Don't assume. Try to explain while being calm. If they don't want to hear you out, let them continue to be fail. Maybe they will learn.

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If you was a new player an didnt know then yes that is understandable. If you are lv 50 an in Titan HM (as garlyle stated), an still havent figured out about swiftcast, then ya, you are gimping your group. You will never be able to raise anyone in that fight no matter how hard u try, so you shouldve figured it out by then, as i highly doubt you never encountered difficulty with the cast time at anytime befor then.

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Originally Posted by Caselia

Does it matter? This is a serious question, what does it solve exactly by listing complaints of people making moronic mistakes or decisions?

I cannot find anything relevant.

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Stress relief? Maybe OP doesn't have an FC to complain to (or it was their FC mates making the mistakes). ^_^

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Originally Posted by Takeva

OP didn't really want to rant though... Seems they wanted to start another "List them fails here!" thread.

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Misery loves company, I guess. XD

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Stress relief? Maybe OP doesn't have an FC to complain to (or it was their FC mates making the mistakes). ^_^

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OP didn't really want to rant though... Seems they wanted to start another "List them fails here!" thread.

You´ll always will have such "special" players. I just ignore them, give them 1-3 chances and then just kick them if it´s just one or leave the duty. It cost me less time waiting off the "punishment" than trying to get through the dungeon with them and getting headache in the progress.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

If you was a new player an didnt know then yes that is understandable. If you are lv 50 an in Titan HM (as garlyle stated), an still havent figured out about swiftcast, then ya, you are gimping your group. You will never be able to raise anyone in that fight no matter how hard u try, so you shouldve figured it out by then, as i highly doubt you never encountered difficulty with the cast time at anytime befor then.

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Once more, how are you supposed to know about swiftcast i the first place if noone tells you before cursing at you? I personally did everything up to garuda HM till i found out swiftcast existed at all. People just assume you have it and when you start slowrezzing they loose their shit instead of saying "try to get thm cross skill swiftcast asap".

For people new to the game (or MMOs in general) there is quite a lot for them to drink in...Avoiding AoEs or rezzing the dead in combat might be mainstream to you and me, but to them the concepts may be completely foreign. The leveling process doesn't really teach them these things too much, aside from the occasional dungeon. That is where I believe it falls to at least some of the community to lend a hand. If they need help or a quick tip then give it to them...granted they want help at all. I've seen it happen on more than one occasion where they respond with "Don't tell me how to play, I'll do what I want!"...so I leave those types for the next group to deal with lol

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Following order marks, because targeting that giant 1 on top of a mob apparently requires too much effort.

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I've run into far more people who don't number them and can't make up their mind which they want to do lol I don't mean the tabbing to keep hate that some people do, I mean actually fighting a mob like 10-20% then switching, then someone gets hate on that one D:<

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Following order marks, because targeting that giant 1 on top of a mob apparently requires too much effort.

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I've yet to see someone marking at lvl 50 dungeons aside from Thornmarch, i even tried marking when one of my tank classes reached lvl 50 but no one seems to bother. On the other hand in low lvl dungeons most groups i get follow the marks.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Betox

I've yet to see someone marking at lvl 50 dungeons aside from Thornmarch, i even tried marking when one of my tank classes reached lvl 50 but no one seems to bother. On the other hand in low lvl dungeons most groups i get follow the marks.

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99.9% of level 50 dungeon runs, everyone is severely over-geared for the content and can aoe things very quickly with no instruction. Only when I have very new DPS do I mark anything any more in low level dungeons. It's safe to assume most party members are experienced enough to not need marks on trash.

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Originally Posted by Kirinichibon

99.9% of level 50 dungeon runs, everyone is severely over-geared for the content and can aoe things very quickly with no instruction. Only when I have very new DPS do I mark anything any more in low level dungeons. It's safe to assume most party members are experienced enough to not need marks on trash.

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I did this because when i reached lvl 50 a few days ago i was undergeared (barely had the ilvl required for the endgame dungeons) and losing hate from the overgeared players from trash mobs, but after getting my relic and a few myth pieces this wasn't a problem anymore.

Copperbell HM, class gear ilvl 45 -55 drg, final boss i say 'this boss is kind of a dps check (because of low gear) so just nuke boss as hard as possible', drg jumps once per minute, they had to go -_- .

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Originally Posted by StudReaver

Copperbell HM, class gear ilvl 45 -55 drg, final boss i say 'this boss is kind of a dps check (because of low gear) so just nuke boss as hard as possible', drg jumps once per minute, they had to go -_- .

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Final boss is not a dps check, but ok...