Rank 30..... 1000 min + queue time..screenshot.. I think it's time to quit this game.

I am considering quitting this game. When I play an MMO it needs to have PVP, there's a reason I never played everquest, or any of the other big hitting MMOs out there, because they were missing PVP. So I considered playing this game because I am a fan of the FF series and amazingly enough they included PVP. So PVP was released, and I had a ton of fun then something happened, people who sucked at PVP and didn't understand that you are going to be face rolled in any pvp environment started crying.. and now the people who have devoted and dedicated the most time in PVP are the ones who get F__KCD. This is what my last queue time has been like as Rank 30.. I thought I'd leave it just to see how long it would go. It seems to max out at 999 min. I shouldn't even be shelling out 10+ dollars for an MMO and putting up with this shit...

I tried re-queuing a few times then I finally just let it sit...

http://imgur.com/ssB3s4e

This is what happens when you listen to whiny children you can't pvp SE. Got it?!

In a few days or weeks we'll start seeing the win traders from Gilgamesh start to face roll the normal queues. I'm not really sure I want to grind through that, I pugged heals to rank 30 and it was pretty brutal, I never complained but dam, it was pretty demoralizing at times. This will be no different.

Mods, devs, Yoshida (Mr DAOC avid pvper) tell me why I should keep giving you more of my money for nothing.

wait, you play xiv for the pvp?

Mostly because my cousin wanted me join him, and it was fun for a while, the PVE portion is fine, but I kinda just blew right through it, I expected more out of the PVP in this game.

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Originally Posted by x037x

Mostly because my cousin wanted me join him, and it was fun for a while, the PVE portion is fine, but I kinda just blew right through it, I expected more out of the PVP in this game.

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Maybe eventually... but SE is very young in the pvp realm. Frontlines has good potential at being their first "good" shot at pvp; The stuff so far in XI and XIV definitely smells of inexperience.

FFXIV arena definitely needed a matchmaking system, but it should have done something similar to other MMOs... When a person with a high or low rank queues up, the game searches for people with similar ranks to match them with. However, if none of those ranks are available after a certain period in the queue, it will widen the parameters to eventually include ALL players queuing. So, basically, if people around your rank are queuing, it will force you to play against them... but if not, you will eventually get to play. A rank 30 person won't be waiting 1000+ minutes for a queue...

Let's just face it. The FFXIV community is too pansy assed to allow for decent pvp in the game. Pvp requires an aggressive mindset amongst its players to be successful, especially in the arena format SE chose to start with. Unfortunately most of the people that enjoy FF enjoy the cute, snuggly, fluffy minions and the completely inane storyline and would rather have naked lallafel dance-offs then actually get in an arena and pound face with other players.

So we have this problem.. Pvp is announced and implemented, people take it for a test drive. The dedicated few die hards are soon outranking the vast majority of casuals. Mass rapage ensues. Casuals fall in droves complaining about how unfair pvp is. SE attempts to fix it by casting die hards into the outer darkness of ridiculous queue times. Casuals fall away from even trying because... meh... I have a lallafel photo contest to take part in. Now the queue is broken for high ranks and no casuals bother queuing for low ranks. There are ways to game the system if your dedicated enough, which is how we have win traders hitting rank 40 already. But if you're not a part of one of those particular link shells then you are left in the cold. It's a shame really. It wouldn't take much for SE to fix the problems but because there are so few dedicated pvpers in the FF community, they can happily ignore it. Much more important to add some new fuzzy slippers and i110 oven mitts with hearts on them.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

Maybe eventually... but SE is very young in the pvp realm. Frontlines has good potential at being their first "good" shot at pvp; The stuff so far in XI and XIV definitely smells of inexperience.

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Yup, it was the promise of pvp that got him to check the game out, lol!

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Originally Posted by x037x

I am considering quitting this game.

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Ultimately, we play games because they're fun. If it's not fun, and you're not getting what you had hoped you would get, then yes... leaving is probably a good plan.

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Originally Posted by HonestAbe

Let's just face it. The FFXIV community is too pansy assed to allow for decent pvp in the game. Pvp requires an aggressive mindset amongst its players to be successful, especially in the arena format SE chose to start with. Unfortunately most of the people that enjoy FF enjoy the cute, snuggly, fluffy minions and the completely inane storyline and would rather have naked lallafel dance-offs then actually get in an arena and pound face with other players.

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There's plenty of people who would do PvP, if it was remotely interesting. A single 4v4 arena with a combat system that doesn't really lend itself to PvP doesn't cut it for most people.

Having all the abilities unlocked at the start might tempt me to give it a go to get a feel for them before Frontlines, but as it stands queuing for 2 hours to get stomped by rank 30-40s inside a minute? I'd rather go play a game that's more focused on PvP if that's what I want to do.

The problem is they implemented a 3-4 week hazing period in the worst setting to beta test a PvP system.

if the matchmaking system was the way it was before we would never have this problem. Its a fking pain for r30+ players to get into matches. While i que up for 1 match i have friends rank 10-15 getting instaques and completeing 2-3 matches before i could even get in 1. Yeah the whole matchmaking system is fked up now

matchmaking system is FCKED. my buddy bard, rank 33, gets 3 pops within one hour, queued for 50s only english. i'm queued for 50s only (bard also, r30) english also, rank 30. ZERO pops, notsureifsrs SE. I had 2 melee buddies also one ranked 31 the other 29-30. one that's 31 is getting more pops

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Originally Posted by HonestAbe

Let's just face it. The FFXIV community is too pansy assed to allow for decent pvp in the game. Pvp requires an aggressive mindset amongst its players to be successful, especially in the arena format SE chose to start with. Unfortunately most of the people that enjoy FF enjoy the cute, snuggly, fluffy minions and the completely inane storyline and would rather have naked lallafel dance-offs then actually get in an arena and pound face with other players.

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loled so hard, cause the naked dance off shit is so true hahaha

Rank should have been kept for titles and vanity gear to glamor. NOT vertical power progression. As all that does is raise the entry requirements and splits the PvP population amongst different groups to try and keep a semblance of competition.

Or you get players getting facerolled due to gear disparities.

Present system puts those who PvP a lot in the higher brackets making the lower brackets less and less populated, A side product of vertical power progression in regards to PvP. Thus highlighting my first statement.

If you only PvP for gear, then you aren't a PvPer.

My only problem with PVP is the QUE times..

Is no one doing PVP or something?

FF MMOs were never known for PVP. And now you know why.

FF MMOs are 2 , so there is absolutly no rule.

Yoshida is a fan of the greatest mmo pvp ( daoc ) so this one could be mutch greater in a near future.

Que times are huge and not only that, but the rewards for the time put into QUE ups are killing my drive to continue. Alas I must stand strong and hope for the best. Something however must be done.

you re absolutly right on this point.

I never understood why anyone would want to play this game solely for end game PVE raids, boring as hell. This game could have some great PVP (the entire purpose of devoting so much time into a MMO, IMO), but they are just dropping the ball on it completely. Only reason I'm here is my gaming PC shit the bed so I cant play DAOC anymore so I'm stuck here on the PS3, waiting for front lines. But they cant get this right. Summer is right around the corner so chances are I will be taking a break til fall and hopefully itll be better.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

A single 4v4 arena with a combat system that doesn't really lend itself to PvP doesn't cut it for most people.

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Nope, Arena is just the worse system for a game with predominantly PvE players. That is completely different from a mindless script that always hits the tank. People get destroyed, then they downplay it by saying its not a pvp game. Or they are PvE carebear gamers who feel their opinions weighs more heavily then yours, those also go 'its not a pvp game'.

Frontlines is much better. Let the weaker players stand in the back and throw fireballs, let them hide in the crowd. You will find they will enjoy pvp a lot more.

An arena system itself if amazing for pvp but there is a very steep learning curve (not so much in this game even, really). If you think frontlines will have bétter pvp, you are probably a carebear.(not personally aimed at guy i quoted.)

I am pretty sure that this is a bug that has been reported before. When someone withdraws from a party after it pops, sometimes you don't get properly re-queued. Sometimes the system will pick you back up, but often it simply doesn't. As a rule, if your queue pops, it should keep popping with some frequency. If your queue stops popping for more than about the average wait time, you should definitely withdraw and re-queue.

First we must ask ourselves when all mmorpg games start separation pve from pvp like in GW2? In pve we have different skills in pvp other. FF should take example from game like aion imo. There is no true open world anyway, so SE should make for example 3 maps with open pvp, where we can fight each others, hunting, pk'ing others etc. If you dont like it you dont have to participate. No one is forcing you to go there...

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Originally Posted by HonestAbe

Let's just face it. The FFXIV community is too pansy assed to allow for decent pvp in the game. Pvp requires an aggressive mindset amongst its players to be successful, especially in the arena format SE chose to start with. Unfortunately most of the people that enjoy FF enjoy the cute, snuggly, fluffy minions and the completely inane storyline and would rather have naked lallafel dance-offs then actually get in an arena and pound face with other players.

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What's unfortunate for some can be a blessing for others. I Like the glamour gear from PvP, it's just not my thing. To each their own. But yeah, win traders and SE noob entry into the PvP world makes quite the mixture.

*I prefer female Mi'qote than pedo-lalafell, but once again, that's just me ^^

**I still vouch for you guys so you can have decent gaming: after all, you pay to expect something fun out of it. Good luck.

Lol @ expecting quality PvP in this game.

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Originally Posted by HonestAbe

Let's just face it. The FFXIV community is too pansy assed to allow for decent pvp in the game. Pvp requires an aggressive mindset amongst its players to be successful, especially in the arena format SE chose to start with. Unfortunately most of the people that enjoy FF enjoy the cute, snuggly, fluffy minions and the completely inane storyline and would rather have naked lallafel dance-offs then actually get in an arena and pound face with other players.

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Getting to kill those people is the only reason I PVP in this game.

Even if players could get into pvp, as a lower rank (16-17ish now) pvper it's no fun dieing to players In full 30-40 ranked gear. On top of that I only get a horrible 10-20 exp and 20-30 marks? How can anyone with the lacking pvp gear ever catch up or gear decently enough to actually be able to play against those with the gear? They can't and that's why no one is playing with all the r30-40 people there is no point in it with rewards so low.

Well you just have to play at lvl 40, stuff means nothing at this lvl and you will do almost same XP and Marks as lvl 50 arena and get ilvl 70 stuff in 150-200 matchs.
And then you will be able to play VS R30 (or at least play more than 10 sec),

Or you can find 1-2 mates and try to play as a team and beat every useless R30 in solo Queue

Or you can wintrade like everyone and get 120 xp and 180 marks every 5 min.

Each time i get in arena after waiting around 45 min and see mates with around 3k HP and 0 moral at lvl 50 i just want to kill every lalafel in the world :(

PS : Thanks to SE, sometimes after waiting 45 min, 4 R30 are match together vs 4 useless pve stuff, allways fun to wait 45 min + 1 min to play around 20 sec.

Sorry, but you're playing the wrong game if you want pvp. The PvP in the game is definitely some of the worst I have experienced in the couple dozens of MMO's i've played

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Rewards just to low for the time you wait....

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PS : Thanks to SE, sometimes after waiting 45 min, 4 R30 are match together vs 4 useless pve stuff, allways fun to wait 45 min + 1 min to play around 20 sec.

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Well, there is a bit of a matchmaking system in place that pairs high ranking players with other high ranking players and same with low ranking players, buuht it only works when there is enough people in que. On Aether at least there is a huge shortage in Healer's, so everyone's que is super long save for them most of the time. ; ;.

Its funny because if there only like four high-rank healers quing and no low level ones, as a low rank player you'll be forced to wait 30min and when you do finallly get a match it will probably be against super high ranks. Clearly they need to make a Healer-only mount achievement for PvP jus like they did for PvE tanks XD

Angry_Goat why would you post in a pvp thread about how this isn't a pvp game? We all obviously enjoy pvp here.

I do agree that any queue longer than 30-40 min. is probably bugged out and you should leave and requeue. I've never seen it past 30 min. I'm on an average of 7-15m on Balmung at R29. Typically it queues faster, but sometimes i've waited upwards to 20 min or so. I play melee. It's not so bad for me. Course I do miss the >2min. queues when pvp first started.

I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive me if someone has said this before, but they should include for Wolves den where it pairs with more DC. Maybe expand it out to 2 DC. It may cause a bit more lag, but the additional players in both low and high levels would smooth out the queues alot more.

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Originally Posted by Maximius

I never understood why anyone would want to play this game solely for end game PVE raids, boring as hell. This game could have some great PVP (the entire purpose of devoting so much time into a MMO, IMO), but they are just dropping the ball on it completely. Only reason I'm here is my gaming PC shit the bed so I cant play DAOC anymore so I'm stuck here on the PS3, waiting for front lines. But they cant get this right. Summer is right around the corner so chances are I will be taking a break til fall and hopefully itll be better.

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Some people like pvp and some people like pve. Personally I like both but it depends on the game. Swtor I loved the pvp and was casual with the pve and pretty much only did pvp in swtor. WoW I never really got into the pvp and just raided. Wildstar closed beta I hated the pve but went all out in the pvp. This game? I can't see myself ever pvping in this game. I've tried it a few times and the overall game design just doesn't make a good pvp game but I find the pve enjoyable. I was looking forward to wildstar and playing that for pvp and this game for raiding but sadly my computer died a few days ago =/

Im with you Ransu, me and some friends just went back to SWTOR for the PVP, while we wait on the launch of WildStar which we will be using for our PVP fix.

The PVP in this game sucks between the bad match making, forever queue times, and 2.4 second GCD that is almost 2x the length of other games(PVP feels so slow and almost turn based in this game compare to what I'm personally used to).

Rank should be for one single purpose ..your rank. Your rank shouldnt determine when you get skills and when you can buy gear. These two problems really damned pvp from the start. I'm glad they are allowing people access to all skills soon, but it might be to little to late.

A good while ago I never thought I'd enjoy PvP, but when I decided to try it on some different games, TERA, Guild Wars 2, even Dark Souls (and the series) to name a friction. I began enjoying it a lot and tried the PvP on multiple games and it became one of the most important aspects for me.

However, Final Fantasy XIV has left me completely unimpressed with the way they handle PvP. It was unplayable from the start and didn't get any better at all, not even when you invested more time to it than a casual would.

I understand the importance of static groups, but PvP should be enjoyable with a pick-up group too. Sad thing is, that PvP gives a huge boost to game's lifespan (in my eyes) if done right. It's the main reason I still play Guild Wars 2 (which, in MY opinion has the best and most balanced PvP in any games I've played).

So please, SE. You need to make some major changes if you don't want to see 999 min queue times.

I would start with completely abolishing the current PvP, and starting from the scratch.