"Stop Playing FFXIV", "FFXIV is Not for You", "Leave the Game"

This trend needs to stop in my opinion.

Just because people use a Discussion/Feedback Forum to address or critique a FEW perceived 'issues' about SOME aspects of the game they dislike, it doesn't necessarily mean they should "GTFO".

It's tiring reading this over & over, and then reading childish debates ensue over the retorts.

All this does is often cause people to go up-in-arms, create flame, and/or help to necro threads.

Please just stop with it, that's all I ask. This' merely a plea for the wellbeing of the forum community.

A NOTE: obviously this doesn't apply to everyone who's made a comment of this kind, and clearly there are times it is appropriate... this post is reserved for those who love to make waves just for the sake of it. As well, it is not a complaint, it is merely a plea to those players for the betterment of the Forum as a whole.

People have the right to post their opinions and give their feedback. It is all in how people present these things in a lot of cases. If something is posted full of frustration and total rage...well, the same kind of responses will be given in return, sometimes worse.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

you're equally welcome to "Leave the Forum".

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And you made this topic, why? You are just as guilty as those you accuse.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

This trend needs to stop.

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I'd say its not a trend with a past practice dating back to the 1.0 forums.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

And you made this topic, why? You are just as guilty as those you accuse.

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Do not confuse pleas or admonishments with harassment/flaming/trolling.

Did I flame anyone in the making of this thread? Did I necro any forum posts with it? Did I intend to harass someone for hosting a legitimate concern/complaint/dislike? No.

What's that one saying? Words Only Have the Power You Give Them.

There are plenty of generic responses such as special snowflake, vocal minority, if you like it so much play xxx, etc. Just ignore it, they are meant to trigger a response and doesn't add much.

I've noticed you've either maned the helm or taken over several complaint threads this stormy night. Gesser.

So my only question is, what spit in your oatmeal today?

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

He indirectly asked me was he doing something considered trolling. I responded in kind.

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Your first post implied a bit of attitude so they also responded in kind. Around and around it goes...lol

Alright. This needs to stop. Gesser as much as you dislike it. At this time the people complaining about the game are by far what we like to call the "vocal minority". My reasoning behind this is in the fact that with such a massive playerbase, if the majority were upset with something in game it would be brutally obvious here. Such as a thread with hundreds of pages filled with people in agreement of said problem.

Sometimes "Maybe this game isn't for you" or "Then why are you still playing" ARE the appropriate response, especially when people are asking for/raging about stuff they've already been told "No" by the devs multiple times, which on these forums...is usually the case.

Except the "vocal minority" can speak as they wish. Just as everyone else can. If someone is unhappy with an aspect of something they pay for they can vocalize this. The money they spend gave them the right to do so. Do I have a problem with the game? Negative. The problem is not in so much as the act of forming a complaint or not it's people that feel they must be contradictory for the sake of being asinine, not valid arguments to the contrary of said complaint. You cannot simply say that a person that dislikes "trolling" and verbalizes this is a troll themselves for by the self-same act you condemn yourself. It's referred to as a vicious cycle. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them wrong. It makes them people. Time to move on lol.

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Originally Posted by Awrini

Alright. This needs to stop. Gesser as much as you dislike it. At this time the people complaining about the game are by far what we like to call the "vocal minority". My reasoning behind this is in the fact that with such a massive playerbase, if the majority were upset with something in game it would be brutally obvious here. Such as a thread with hundreds of pages filled with people in agreement of said problem.

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I'm sorry, but what is the point you're trying to make? Legitimately curious, I am confused.

As far as I can tell, you're asking me to stop using my voice on the forum in reply to 'vocal minorities'? Or... I don't get it.

What's wrong with me calling out others who harass people here, or necro their threads, or forum troll them.

No offense meant but that seemed condescending... for the future, it's helpful to ask if someone is familiar with a concept before you act presumptuously and attempt to teach them. I am well aware of "vocal minorities" in forums & in regard to MMO's especially.

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Originally Posted by Seiryuukishi

Except the "vocal minority" can speak as they wish. Just as everyone else can.

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This. 100%. Thank you Seiryuukishi.

Jokes on them I don't view FFXIV 1.0 and ARR in the same light.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

I'm sorry, but what is the point you're trying to make? Legitimately curious, I am confused.

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To be fair, I'm equally confused. To say that the minority shouldn't speak out is silly. I think people should always voice their concerns and feedback. There is a fine line between feedback and whining, to which you will probably see me being extremely vocal about (constructive, of course).

That said, I do think you're going to be a bit hard-pressed with getting much luck with this particular thread. However, I don't find it to be "useless," just an uphill battle. Rome wasn't built in a day. I just think that you should go in with the expectation that there is going to be trolling on any forum; the degree of which is going to vary on the crowd. The crowd with this game appears to be rougher than most.

EDIT: Just because someone doesn't like one particular part or can see improvement doesn't mean that they're going to quit. There are people like that, and there are some things that end up being the last straw. That isn't everyone. If you can make something from being "yeah, this is alright," or "yeah, this is fun but I wouldn't really recommend it," to "this is awesome, you should definitely try it," you should strive for it. The small things go a LONG way.

Ive had this crap said to me and this game is without a doubt for me. Ive waited the biggest portion of my life dreaming of this game and i wont be leaving until im too old or it closes. So yes, this game is for me.

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Originally Posted by i2agnarok

To be fair, I'm equally confused. To say that the minority shouldn't speak out is silly. I think people should always voice their concerns and feedback. There is a fine line between feedback and whining, to which you will probably see me being extremely vocal about (constructive, of course).

That said, I do think you're going to be a bit hard-pressed with getting much luck with this particular thread. However, I don't find it to be "useless," just an uphill battle. Rome wasn't built in a day. I just think that you should go in with the expectation that there is going to be trolling on any forum; the degree of which is going to vary on the crowd. The crowd with this game appears to be rougher than most.

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I 100% hear your point and agree. Also your GIF is amazing lol.

Yeah, I'm not here to change the world, nor do I expect great results... but if I can 'call out' those that harass others on this forum once in a while for perceived trends or shared behaviors... then I will for justice's sake. Even if it is an uphill battle. I'm not afraid to use the report tool either, which I would suggest we all use appropriately.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

Sometimes "Maybe this game isn't for you" or "Then why are you still playing" ARE the appropriate response, especially when people are asking for/raging about stuff they've already been told "No" by the devs multiple times, which on these forums...is usually the case.

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Read "A Note". I love that you got upvote's from people who also clearly didn't read the disclaimer. Sorry, I just think it's funny :). Helpful to read a message in its entirety before posting, at least the bolded disclaimers.

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Originally Posted by Alazier

Ive had this crap said to me and this game is without a doubt for me. Ive waited the biggest portion of my life dreaming of this game and i wont be leaving until im too old or it closes. So yes, this game is for me.

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That's the spirit! Love it.

I frequently have my 'complaints' about the game, but it's only because I love this game and am so passionate. I may come off as brazen or harsh at times... but it's a tough kind of love because I'm fighting for this game's best. When I perceive a system is poorly implemented or bad design struck some portion of a patch, I will be calling it out & requesting changes. There are many aspects to this game I may disagree with at times, but overall I'm in this for the long haul and absolutely love ARR. If something doesn't change that I dislike, I am able to get over it & simply accept it.

These Dev's are doing an incredible job no matter how much critique I give them.

To be certain, I give the Dev's full praise & think they're wonderful. Yoshi-P is a phenomenal Director & I'm so glad this game thrives.

my fave responses are the "go back to wow." i never even played wow first of all lol.
secondly, im personally tired of when i make, or others make suggestions, we get flamed to the depths of hell
or even if we say we dislike something abt this game. hi, sorry ppl will have different opinions other than yours.
is it hard to be nice on this game lol?? lts not the perfect game but i like it.
but shh, dont say that. you'll get told by the SE brigdade of the forums.

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Originally Posted by Luxx

or even if we say we dislike something abt this game. hi, sorry ppl will have different opinions other than yours.

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It's when people say they dislike something without actually thinking about it that bothers me. If they aren't immediately happy or satisfied with something, it's the worst thing ever.

As far as telling people not to play FFXIV, it is typically used when someone is being particularly angry about something. It's a legitimate suggestion, if you're not happy then don't play. It's a game. If you keep doing something even if you don't like it, that makes you either A. A insane person or B. an addict. People just get tired of hearing it after awhile, often you'd be doing yourself and everyone else a favor by taking a break or quitting.

I think it's great advice or a great PoV. Vote with your wallet!

I don't stick around in a game where Devs do things I have a strong distaste for. There are so many different MMO's out there. Give your money to one that is more aligned with your beliefs and principles.

See, the thread was dead because this was no more than just a continuation of a pointless tirade. And since the thread was dead, I saw no reason to clarify my quickly texted post from work. However now that I have time.

I never said that your opinion doesn't matter, I was more alluding to people in the vocal minority treating their opinions as fact, and automatically assuming the majority is behind them. I have my own personal gripes about this game, but I'm aware that most of the playerbase does not share my feelings. However, this is the internet everything is taken out of context and you'll return with a different pointless tirade trying to puff up your self-esteem.

Finally, Gesser if you are happy with the game thats great. If you have problems with the game that you also like to vocalize on the forums, that's also great. Just don't use straw man arguments to create pointless flamefests. That is what I really was saying needs to stop.

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Originally Posted by Awrini

See, the thread was dead because this was no more than just a continuation of a pointless tirade. And since the thread was dead, I saw no reason to clarify my quickly texted post from work. However now that I have time.

I never said that your opinion doesn't matter, I was more alluding to people in the vocal minority treating their opinions as fact, and automatically assuming the majority is behind them. I have my own personal gripes about this game, but I'm aware that most of the playerbase does not share my feelings. However, this is the internet everything is taken out of context and you'll return with a different pointless tirade trying to puff up your self-esteem.

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...The thread hasn't even been active for 48 hours. I don't get how it could be considered dead that quickly.

Regardless, I really think you should re-read your original post, as this post here almost completely looks at odds with the original.

The thread itself calls out that people are bombing legitimate conversations with the things he is complaining about, such as "go away." Whether the original thread that sparked them to post this is guilty of treating things as facts, I don't know, as I don't check someone's post history every time they create a thread. However, these things are happening, the evidence is everywhere, and the complaint is valid.

The issues are not the critiques or the criticisms of the game, it is with the arrogance and ignorance in the ways they are presented.

*sigh* My mistake, I love going back when I have time and realizing how much of an ass I've made of myself. I must apologize. You see this topic is actually correct and the reasoning behind my actions. Other threads get necroed and flame up from flames that had nothing to do with the original topic, which in turn spills into a new thread being created and one person (in the case me) misunderstanding the context of said topic, and thusly making as ass of myself by incorrectly refuting a problem that didn't exist in the first place.

Opinions are like orgasms.

And mine is more important than yours.

I think in light of this thread it is important for a Dislike button to exist so people who don't like what is posted can just hit dislike and not have the need to say something rude. This would make it easier for Square to suspend accounts on people being rude and impolite.