Summoner and Turn 7 - Do not Miasma 2

So yeah. Melusine nearly dead, and a Renaud spawned on top of Melusine. I used Miasma 2 on her exactly at the same time as the spawn, and it whacked me... then another person. We wiped after that and I immediately got the penalty of being kicked out of a static. Not a single word, just banned out of voice chat and kicked out of the linkshell.

If you're in Turn 7 Summoners, don't use Miasma 2 at all. Renauds can be a pesky thing to deal with.

You need better friends.

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Originally Posted by Caselia

You need better friends.

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They were people I just met earlier the week recruiting Summoners, so I did not particularly know them. Apparently the WHM that wiped us more time than ever stays.

If you were on our server, we would never of been jerks like that. That's pretty sad they had to go to that level, you deserve better.

Sounds like you dodged a bullet :(

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

If you were on our server, we would never of been jerks like that. That's pretty sad they had to go to that level, you deserve better.

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I only recently transferred to Balmung from Goblin due to it's very dead end game state there.

Thanks for the warning. Kinda a jerk move on your static's part. One screw up does not warrant a boot.

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

Thanks for the warning. Kinda a jerk move on your static's part. One screw up does not warrant a boot.

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I'll admit that this actually happened 2 times (Or maybe once) in total prior. The first time it happened was during one of the early attempts when I was still new to the turn. I am unsure when the second one ever happened at all, but they seem to think it had happened more than once at the moment this final screw up that I did. I never had issues using Miasma 2 until this near win attempt though.

Although from where I stand regarding to the whole performance issue of this static is way less than the WHM, and about the same as the WAR that had been unattentive to Curse Voices. Since I only just joined their static, they treat their senior members like it's okay for them to make any amount of mistakes, but I get thrown daggers from their eyes when I petrify someone by mistake in the very early phases (We're talking just as Deathdancer or way before they come out). I never once screwed up past the first add phase till today.

To justify though, I believe Miasma 2 is always worth using, especially when you're the type of player that believe you should always have it up for that maximum DPS. It's just not worth using over this Turn due to the nature of Renaud and their random positional spawning.

this is wrong, you should be DPSing as much as possible, if Miasma II can't be used, the so does Circle of Scorn or Flare or any AoE.

you just need to be aware of Renaud spawn times, they always spawn 30secs apart.

Miasma 2 is a bad idea to bind the giant. You have to be in melee range and they can hit you very easy. Also i think miasma 2 bind is shorter. The best thing to do is ruin 2 the giant, move it in position and swiftcast + miasma or just miasma to have it in place.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Miasma 2 is a bad idea to bind the giant. You have to be in melee range and they can hit you very easy. Also i think miasma 2 bind is shorter. The best thing to do is ruin 2 the giant, move it in position and swiftcast + miasma or just miasma to have it in place.

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The Bard was kiting, not me. You can never kite with Miasma 2 anyways. If you're using it to keep it in place for someone else to kite though, that has no issue. I was using it as a DPS tool.

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Originally Posted by Dano

this is wrong, you should be DPSing as much as possible, if Miasma II can't be used, the so does Circle of Scorn or Flare or any AoE.

you just need to be aware of Renaud spawn times, they always spawn 30secs apart.

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Yeah well, when you almost won you would perceive time differently, I believe they have a ranged timer of 30-40 seconds, unless it's exactly 30 seconds. I haven't counted it. We were around 30 seconds away from enrage as well.

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Originally Posted by Kaillera

The Bard was kiting, not me. You can never kite with Miasma 2 anyways. If you're using it to keep it in place for someone else to kite though, that has no issue. I was using it as a DPS tool.

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As a DPS tool miasma 1 still better and dont have to be in melee range or worry it hit the giant if it pop near boss.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

As a DPS tool miasma 1 still better and dont have to be in melee range or worry it hit the giant if it pop near boss.

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Just gonna reiterate what I said. "To justify though, I believe Miasma 2 is always worth using, especially when you're the type of player that believe you should always have it up for that maximum DPS. It's just not worth using over this Turn due to the nature of Renaud and their random positional spawning."

I am one of those player that HAS to have every single DoT on my main target while others are fine with Miasma, Bio 2, Bio.

Anyways, thanks for listening to a bit of my rant guys, I'm going to go to sleep. Been a long night of T7 progression. I'm going to have to hunt myself a new static for the new week. My advice still stands: Do not use Miasma 2; You may hit a Renaud.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

As a DPS tool miasma 1 still better and dont have to be in melee range or worry it hit the giant if it pop near boss.

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Miasma 1 is not "better". They are not mutually exclusive. Miasma 2 is fine as long as it is Contagion'd.

40 potency once a minute and only in melee range :<

not exactly worth losing sleep over

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Miasma 1 is not "better". They are not mutually exclusive. Miasma 2 is fine as long as it is Contagion'd.

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Well, technically Miasma 1 is "better". 35 potency of DoT versus 10 potency of DoT. Although Miasma 2 has the advantage of being a wide ranged AOE, Miasma 1 can be spread via Bane, along with the added duration from Contagion, whereas Miasma 2 cannot.

It's probably a blessing in disguise that you screwed that one up. That static you were in seems like a bunch of assholes.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

Miasma 2 is fine as long as it is Contagion'd.

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Indeed, the only time you should really use it on a single target is if you plan to Contagion, otherwise you want at least two targets to make it worth it.

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Originally Posted by Kaillera

We wiped after that and I immediately got the penalty of being kicked out of a static. Not a single word, just banned out of voice chat and kicked out of the linkshell.

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This is what happen when you do a weekly lock. People will be stressed out and bad things happen :/. So far this is the worst thing SE done to slow the players progress

Seems like an honest mistake. Some people just take raiding way too seriously.

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Originally Posted by Dano

this is wrong, you should be DPSing as much as possible, if Miasma II can't be used, the so does Circle of Scorn or Flare or any AoE.

you just need to be aware of Renaud spawn times, they always spawn 30secs apart.

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Well, I do tell my PLD to avoid scorning during fatty spawn times.

To be correct, they spawn exactly 48s apart irregardless of phase changes or how fast you push the phase, we have a timer set up for it.

op don't feel bad I've done this several times with circle of scorn while tanking. with practice you just kind of know good times to use aoes. if I'm ever in doubt, i say screw the extra dps and just avoid using the ability. turn 7 isn't such a dps race that you need to go above and beyond, you just gotta execute and overcome the mechanics.

I would kick somebody who kept wiping the encounter, too. Seriously, they're not "EVIL DOOOOOOERS!!!" for removing a weak link from the party that neither knew the fight nor their job.

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Originally Posted by DragonSlayer45

Some people just take raiding way too seriously.

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That's because raiding is serious. People don't do it because it's fun to wipe repeatedly to the same mistake over and over. They do it to kill the boss and get loot.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

the games source of problems

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if you had read, OP said he had done Miasma II once, maybe twice, and it happened, while the whm, who had cause more problems/wipes, was let off without anything being done. what did OP get? kicked. people who have your mind set really make part of the community seem toxic with "new" people hate.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Well, I do tell my PLD to avoid scorning during fatty spawn times.

To be correct, they spawn exactly 48s apart irregardless of phase changes or how fast you push the phase, we have a timer set up for it.

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I circle of scorned the fatty as he spawned once during progression, that was fun. Since then I've trained myself to only use CoS after the spawn. Lose a bit of dps but in this fight playing it safe is more important than small gains in dps. Might get flamed for that but one of our major issues during progression on T7 was always people being distracted trying to squeeze out that little bit of extra dps/healing over safely handling mechanics.

That goes back to a mindset I picked up from previous games doing raid content:
1. Learn the mechanics
2. Hit the enrage
3. Then, maximize dps and beat the fight

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Originally Posted by Kaillera

So yeah. Melusine nearly dead, and a Renaud spawned on top of Melusine. I used Miasma 2 on her exactly at the same time as the spawn, and it whacked me... then another person. We wiped after that and I immediately got the penalty of being kicked out of a static. Not a single word, just banned out of voice chat and kicked out of the linkshell.

If you're in Turn 7 Summoners, don't use Miasma 2 at all. Renauds can be a pesky thing to deal with.

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It's Balmung, my dear. Hope you find a better place to crash! :3

I'd say its probably for the best. Any uptight static like that that doesn't allow people to make mistakes will generally be a bad time had by all. Chances are they'll fall apart before they see T9 anyway.

That bad aoe saved you a lot of headaches in the future.

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Originally Posted by Kaillera

So yeah. Melusine nearly dead, and a Renaud spawned on top of Melusine. I used Miasma 2 on her exactly at the same time as the spawn, and it whacked me... then another person. We wiped after that and I immediately got the penalty of being kicked out of a static. Not a single word, just banned out of voice chat and kicked out of the linkshell.

If you're in Turn 7 Summoners, don't use Miasma 2 at all. Renauds can be a pesky thing to deal with.

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LOL! Thank God that happened to you. Hopefully it opened your eyes to the kind of people you were spending your time with. If anything, us Summoner's should use Miasma II in there if it's going to bring out the true nature of the people around us. You did your job, there's nothing to be sad about, you just got the bad luck of an add spawning at the wrong time.

Gj on dodging toxic group quickly.
Btw using miasma 2 on single target is worth using ONLY when paired with contagion. Without contagion its 10 less potency than a ruin.

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Originally Posted by Dano

this is wrong, you should be DPSing as much as possible, if Miasma II can't be used, the so does Circle of Scorn or Flare or any AoE.

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The Problem isn't the aoe itself. It is the slow. If you do any kind of slow on the renaults, their own slow will disappear (which lasts very long). So they will faster go berserk through the party.

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Originally Posted by shoki

The Problem isn't the aoe itself. It is the slow. If you do any kind of slow on the renaults, their own slow will disappear (which lasts very long). So they will faster go berserk through the party.

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Slows on the renauds stack with its natural slow. You're thinking shadowbind.

Miasma II is 20 Potency initial hit with 10 potency/tick DoT. At 15s DoT time, with a 3 second timer, which is a globally timer. Even assuming you get Miasma II up right before the dot timer ticks, that's 14s left on the dot to tick. That's still only 4 additional ticks. So you get 20+10(x5 ticks) for 70 potency. That's a GCD wasted for 70 Potency. Ruin/Ruin II is 80 potency. You can use Ruin II and pop an off-GCD move for much better results.

Miasma II is totally useless in any single-target situation due to the lower potency. Sure you can contagion the Miasma II, and make it 28 Seconds (Again, assuming you're very fast on that Contagion after putting Miasma II up). That's 9 ticks for 90 Potency. So 110 Potency overall. 30 more Potency than your Ruins will be regularly. But you need to generally re-position yourself for this Miasma II to even hit.

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If you really want to have better DoTs up, and run up to the mob for no good reason, use a Potent Poisoning Potion -- That's about 20/tick dot and is affected by contagion, so you're looking at 9x20 Potency, or 180 Potency.

tl;dr Miasma II terrible for single-target. Any SMN thinking otherwise is terrible and shouldn't be in any hardcore progression groups.

do Tri-daster if you wanna bind it. it last 20 sec

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Originally Posted by Remn

do Tri-daster if you wanna bind it. it last 20 sec

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No, if you bind normally you usually have a bard do it, or a summoner with Miasma, since Miasma won't break gravity and lasts 24 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Koryu

If you really want to have better DoTs up, and run up to the mob for no good reason, use a Potent Poisoning Potion -- That's about 20/tick dot and is affected by contagion, so you're looking at 9x20 Potency, or 180 Potency.

tl;dr Miasma II terrible for single-target. Any SMN thinking otherwise is terrible and shouldn't be in any hardcore progression groups.

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The potency of a Poison Pot is not 20 per tic.

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Originally Posted by Koryu

If you really want to have better DoTs up, and run up to the mob for no good reason, use a Potent Poisoning Potion -- That's about 20/tick dot and is affected by contagion, so you're looking at 9x20 Potency, or 180 Potency.

tl;dr Miasma II terrible for single-target. Any SMN thinking otherwise is terrible and shouldn't be in any hardcore progression groups.

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Regardless though be formal, tell me if you were gonna remove me okay?

Sounds like you dodged a bullet, OP.