I can see how our comunity is afraid at mages conversion. Who will be WHM and BLM? THM or CON?
The fact is: allowing both jobs to be Damage Dealers or Healers, mixing them on same class will dissapoint lots of people that leveled up CON or THM like a Healer or DD, and in 1.19 they become what they didnt want to be.
The only posible solution i can see, is to create a Quest for them, and as reward, you can choose what mage faction u want to join, BLM, WHM (or RDM if aviable)
if they plan to completely erase CON and THM, the quest should be automatically activated when someone logs in with these jobs or change class, and of course have to allow to be done at any level (just talk to NPCs or kill enemies same level as your character)
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[Suggestion] Mages conversion
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07-15-2011, 07:26 AMRaistlin[Suggestion] Mages conversion
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07-15-2011, 07:30 AMEvangela
Better let us choose what we want to play
White Mage, Black Mage, Red Mage, Blue Mage, Summoner -
07-15-2011, 07:37 AMArcell
Honestly I think all they need to do is just let us know which jobs are tied to which classes to:
A) Let people get all the whining and complaining out of the way.
B) Allow people to level the appropriate class so that they can hopefully use the job of their choosing by the time they come around. -
07-15-2011, 07:39 AMEvangela
they shouldn't lock Job to Class for DoM
better let us choose freely and can be switch
or they'll have no class left to lock them to the future mage classes (Blue Mage, Summoner, etc) -
07-15-2011, 07:42 AMFated
I love this whole "they better do this or else" mentality some of you throw around on these forums. Who are you trying to threaten exactly?
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07-15-2011, 07:42 AMCidolphus
I think another solution would be to allow people to reallocate ranks, like we do stats (but just as a special one-time thing). That way, I could choose to put my 31 ranks in THM to CON, since I like healing.
Maybe it's not that practical, but then again, neither is cutting off all the healing THMs from their necessary spells. -
07-15-2011, 07:43 AMArcellExcept if the Famitsu fan translation is anything to go by there will be jobs unlocked by multiple classes. Also who's to say they can't release more classes to accommodate more jobs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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07-15-2011, 07:53 AMwind
Just because they will have either con > whm , thm > blm (for example). Doesn't mean you're FORCED to play those jobs.
You can stay thm / conj and just play like you always have, which retain both there nuking / healing potential without restricting your abilities. They never said they were going to force you to have to abandon your current generic class.
Although you will lose the 'exclusive' skills and 'if' implemented Gear tied to either "WHM" or "BLM". But if you dont want to nuke you wont really care, or vice versa for healing. -
07-15-2011, 07:59 AMEvangela
If they're going to release new classes for DoM, what weapon they gonna use?
I hope they don't bring back the FF9 racket or FF13 Vanille fishing rod -
07-15-2011, 08:01 AMIveraIvalice
this is dumb, how can you ask for something like that just kuz you dont want to level up another job if its not the one you want. sorry i dont mean to be a douche but its really not a big deal to lvl up another job. it seems live theres always someone that has a problem with something awesome that the devs announce because it doesnt work 100% perfect for some people
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07-15-2011, 08:03 AMFatedThis does not sound practical. Yoshida has been saying that the Job system is specifically designed for strategic/heavy party play while the class system will be there for soloing, ranking up and light party play. It seems unlikely that you'll be able to just "forego" the Job system whenever you want because you don't want to lose the versatility.Quote:
Originally Posted by wind
Of course I can't say that for sure that I'm right and you can't say you're right either at this point, it's too early to tell. -
07-15-2011, 08:07 AMwindWhat I mean is, if you already have it in your mind you don't want to be a DD / Healer, why bother ever completing the quest for it? You aren't granted the job until you finish its quest line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fated
But I also cannot forsee them 'locking' you forever to the job either. Because in the future if they do allow more then one job per class, Its not like you can 're-roll' to get your desired job since you cant exactly re-level lets say conjurer to 50 again. Would make no sense. -
07-15-2011, 08:08 AMFatedAnd what I am telling you is that if "x" Job is required for "abc" content and you don't have it simply because you don't want to play a specific role, you aren't going to be invited.Quote:
Originally Posted by wind
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07-15-2011, 08:09 AMReinheart
They did mention a bit about possibility of jobs that require multiple class.
You can't be both class at same time to be the job so basically means requiring both class at certain rank to get the job like say..... for example... 10 CON and 10 THM required to get the WHM, BLM. But once you get WHM/BLM job you can be WHM/BLM from both CON or THM class. -
07-15-2011, 08:09 AMnorthernskySeriously... I know these are work in progress, but at this point they should at least know which job will be tied to which class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcell
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07-15-2011, 08:14 AMwindThats with the assumption there will only be 1 way to kill said content. Which will never be the case in an MMO, or else all those solo kills / duos / and other innovations would never have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fated
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07-15-2011, 08:19 AMFatedI never said there isn't more than one way to clear "abc" content, all I did was make a distinction between heavy party content and soloing. The Job system is supposed to be for strategic party play while the class system will remain for soloing. Like I said originally, it's too early to tell right now but I'm going based on the tidbits of information that have come from Yoshida about the Job system and what it is being designed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by wind
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07-15-2011, 08:21 AMEvangela
I don't want the jobs get lock to each classes
I want THM can be both WHM/BLM and CON can be both WHM/BLM with an ability to switch it anytime I want -
07-15-2011, 08:24 AMFated
There is absolutely nothing at this point that is saying something like that can't happen. The only real restriction we know at this point is that it will be 1 Job = 1 Class when the system is first implemented. Until Yoshida says otherwise, we're free to come up with all sorts of crazy ideas.
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07-15-2011, 08:26 AMwindIt works both ways. Above all else the job system was implemented for distinction rather then strategic play but because of the distinction of classes it allows you to plan more appropriately hence the strategic party play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fated
But lets say your strategy called for a THM to stay a THM because of his versatility since your team makeup was bad that day/night. If he lost his 'jack of all traits' feel and became more specialized in one aspect and by doing so lose a spell that would make the fight much smoother. Your strategic party play just got fucked by him being forced to play his job rather then be versatile. -
07-15-2011, 08:37 AMFatedThe Job system is being implemented for specialization through various factors. Out of which, the only thing we have any confirmation on is that there will be Job specific abilities that are learned from completing quests. One would naturally assume these abilities are going to be great enough to warrant the specialization in the first place rather than keeping the versatility. It makes no sense for the Job system to be a "half baked" upgrade, you'd just stick with the classes instead of it was like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wind
Lets say that by staying as a THM, your unaugmented nukes and heals were both too weak to be of any use in the party. That class has become completely useless in that situation as opposed to a specialized role in either field that would propel the respective magic to a level where it will be usable.