The Problem with Extreme Primals...

As of patch 2.25 Extreme Primals on my server through the Party Finder are basically dead. Pre2.2, we had a ton of groups attempting these on an hourly basis and now they are few and far between. Hell, successful groups are even rarer these days.

I point to the fact that the rewards are no longer relevant. Even with the new "Primal Ponies" these trials are no longer interesting to the vast majority of players who have defeated them in the past. I have a proposed solution for this...

Give us the ability to turn in Rowen's Tokens for 25 Soldiery each. A weekly quest that gives 75 Soldiery would encourage players who are capable of completing these fights the incentive to go back and do them again. Those of us that wish to try and get a shot at those nice new mounts need people to want to do these fights.

soldiery? nah give me mythology for alts gear /books 3 rowena tokens = 300 myth ;)

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

soldiery? nah give me mythology for alts gear /books 3 rowena tokens = 300 myth ;)

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Agree with this. Would be another way to farm Myth quickly if you get a pt together than can farm all 3.

Not surprisingly seeing that the drop rate for the ponies sucks and there are no other reasons to even run the old primal ex anymore. Changing token for myth sounds good but the amount must be good enough that players will do it, considering that DF primal ex can still pretty much fail and you can get 300 myth by doing 6 Brayflox Longstop SR.

The existing encounters were developed for people who are in statics, have great communications, properly geared, trained, have a great system and internet connection. In their current form, you could offer me 2,000 myth per run and I still wouldn't go near any of the EXs as every DF and many PF runs end in utter failure at the halfway point. The attempt at making things better with the echo has actually made things worse as once you get to 25% echo, timing and coordination gets really messy. I would modify the echo to add 0.5 seconds to get out of any AOE per stack, rather than the status boost. We don't need stats boost, we need latency / slow reflex compensation.

Not sure what's up on your server but Midgard still has tons of PF entries for EX Primals for weekly clears. Still plenty of people who need them for access to Levi and Moggle and the accessories are still great for alts since currently the only accessories over i90 are soldiery purchased, dropped in Coil 2, or dropped from Moggle EX.

they're not in pf as much but if you make a party it wont take as long for people to jump in..

I would say let people buy Ponies with like 10 tokens to get more people to do them each week.

I agree. Definitely need to change the rewards.

New players and player who have not clear primal extreme would have very low chance of clearing titan extreme.

DF is full of players who have high pings or clueless players which totally have no hope of clearing.
PF groups for old Primals EX are also getting lesser by the day. PF groups also have high change of failure, with people leaving only after 3-4 wipes.

The echo bufff is not helping for Titan EX either, because most of the fight is not a dps race except heart and more about having low latency so that you can move out of stuff in time.


Also with the ATMA farming time wasting situation, player who are interested in doing Primal Ex are even lesser.

I would think the recent changes are not very welcoming of new players or players who are 'lagging' behind in game progression.

Actually, the Ex primals represent the larger problem in SE's endgame design. Having old content gate new content effectively prevents new players from catching up. If you didn't down titan ex pre 2.2, good luck ever seeing Levi ex. Hopefully SE changes this system, otherwise imagine needing to clear coils 1&2 to see coil 3. Or downing 4-5 ex primals to reach the current one.

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Originally Posted by Pizzaparty7

Actually, the Ex primals represent the larger problem in SE's endgame design. Having old content gate new content effectively prevents new players from catching up. If you didn't down titan ex pre 2.2, good luck ever seeing Levi ex. Hopefully SE changes this system, otherwise imagine needing to clear coils 1&2 to see coil 3. Or downing 4-5 ex primals to reach the current one.

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Players can buy the runs :D No problem there xD

Echo can certainly help in Titan EX. Instead of stacking on top of one another and creating a superplume you can stand in a line and even if someone isn't quite on time they'll only eat their own plume and with the echo buff they'll have the HP to live through it. I don't see nearly as much in the way of people being Landslided as I do people being plumed.

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Originally Posted by Pizzaparty7

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you already have to clear c1 to get to c2.... and it makes no diff they have to clear 1&2 for c3. if you cant beat t5 you cant beat t6+. besides they give echo. by the time t10+ comes out, t5 will be at max echo, and t6 will be at the 10%. if they cant beat t5 with max echo they have no chance at doing t10+ LOL So the point of it being "gated" works out. Besides Coil is a storyline. no use skipping the story. Coil makes sense and should stay the way it is.

primal stuff is another matter. they dont have to gate that i guess.

though the solution for it all is join a raiding fc or form/join a static to learn and down content.

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Originally Posted by Pizzaparty7

If you didn't down titan ex pre 2.2, good luck ever seeing Levi ex.

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Actually, you just need people willing and capable to help. Ever since 2.2, I've gotten most of my FC members through Titan and in the process of making them learn Levi EX.

I'm still stuck on Garuda EX just because there's no one doing them any more. I've been without a computer for over a month, so getting back into the game is fun and all, but I'm still gated from doing anything really new until I can off Garuda EX... and I'm not even at Titan, lol... ;_;

Joining groups is nearly next to impossible. And I can't find any good, reliable FCs to join on Excalibur.

I'm pretty sure buffing the primal weapons ilvl to say 105 will make it worked again

The real problem with the fights IMO is finding people who won't leave at a single wipe or insult people despite it having been labeled a learning party, and that wipes were expected. This happened the other day btw, I still won't forgive the tank for those comments (FC has blacklisted him).

So during the recent event with Yoshi in Japan, apparently something was slipped in regarding the Ifrit weapons, or just Primal weapons in general. He said 'hold onto them', to what end, no one knows. Possibly, they may see an upgrade of some fashion in a future patch. Similar methods can be done with the Primal Ex weapons as well. How relevant it would be compared to other weapons already available, who knows, just food for thought.

Honestly, I got my original clear, got the little bit of lore that went with it and have been fine since. But the point I'm making is that just because content is not being as actively used now, doesn't mean it wont get additions later. Case in point - FATEs and Atma farming.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Actually, you just need people willing and capable to help. Ever since 2.2, I've gotten most of my FC members through Titan and in the process of making them learn Levi EX.

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and good luck with that, because of the quite toxic community if you're unfamiliar with a fight, not many are gonna be arsed to help you. Not everyone has willing FC, either.

I do agree that it's part of the problem with SE's model of player progression. You need cape westwind (who does that anymore?) to continue with the storyline. You need to beat Garuda (lol lowdps) and Titan (lol lag) to get to Ifrit (lol easy primal), and this is all old content. Newbies looking to get to the new content will get stonewalled pretty quick.

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

and good luck with that, because of the quite toxic community if you're unfamiliar with a fight, not many are gonna be arsed to help you. Not everyone has willing FC, either.
I do agree that it's part of the problem with SE's model of player progression.

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Then they should have befriended people that are skilled and friendly. There are plenty of them out there that would be willing to help but because you keep seeing the community as negative as a whole, you'll never find it. Also, are they supposed to unlock Garuda and Titan just so the newbies can experience Ifrit? No. There are certain progression in each fight. If you can't beat Garuda, good luck with Titan. It's not that old of content when it was released a bit more than 4 months ago.
You probably have never played LoL if you think this is a toxic community.

Primals Extreme on Zodiark is like pulling teeth since it just started out. The DF waits are so tedious. It feels like I'll have to wait 3-4 months before I can actually go in there. lol