I saw new player complain today

So I was at central shroud doing a fun fate farm for my atma...still at 0/12 by the way. I was doing a level 10 fate. Generally new players at level 10 nothing is synched they are in starting gear. This particular fate had mobs being two hit by everyone in there zeniths. The new player got upset we were killing everything so fast in the fates he couldn't get bronze. He was upset we all had mounts and by time he made to any fate it was just ending. He couldn't level with us. I feel kinda bad.....instead of letting these new players do fates and having them be soloable for less people attending they could level.

This is actually hurting new players I realized. Not only is this a waste of our time it's ruining other players times who want the fates. Yet we still have heard nothing about this from se.....sigh

Welcome to the problem.

Atmas were introduced to get older players back into FATEs to help the new players. Unfortunately, it's worked so well that FATEs are, for the most part, completely unplayable, particularly at the lowest lvls.

Personally, I think this is the worst thing about the Atmas. I can deal with bad gathering mechanics, but I feel like a complete jerk when I help shut down the FATE circuit in lower levels.

Yup just level 50 players shutting it down for new players really. Helps no one.

This is actually one of the reasons why I pounded out a chocobo as fast as I could. So I could actually keep up with people going from Fate to Fate. I didn't have trouble getting damage down once I got there, but a lot of the time it was over before I could sprint across the map.

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Originally Posted by Raephix

This is actually one of the reasons why I pounded out a chocobo as fast as I could. So I could actually keep up with people going from Fate to Fate. I didn't have trouble getting damage down once I got there, but a lot of the time it was over before I could sprint across the map.

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Basically, "well I figured out how to deal with a bad system so why fix it?" The point is SE has been trying to push FATEs hard from day one and they aren't especially good. They need to think about how to improve them rather than just shoe horning them into every aspect of the game.

I can appreciate the new player's frustration with trying to complete a FATE with so many Zenith's about, but why is a level 10 player even FATE grinding? And a new one at that? I recently went back and started a new class and made it to level 20 in two days without hitting more than 5 or 6 fates along the way. I must admit that I was plowing through a lot of it, and it took 6 or 7 hours those days (I was off work, this is atypical of my usual playing standard). I stuck with hunting logs and leves. He theoretically has story line quests and side quests galore to complete.

I don't fate grind but when I'm out and about and see one pop up I like to head over and participate. However, when there are so many people doing it and you arrive even a few seconds too late it's rather frustrating. When I'm leveling a character, fates help with waiting in instance queues. It's rather disheartening to see a fate pop and get there just as it ends. Maybe SE should add atmas to instances as well. It would break up the the lvl 50s to rng in different ways.

lvl 10 you have the hunting log, challenge log, hests, leves, duty roulette hest, 1st time hest bonus, and a good chunk of quest that gives good exp. fates are something i did if i came across them as i was making my way to objectives or quest starter locations. i dont think it really hurts their progress in any way. i think fate grinding for levels if you are purely new, isnt a good leveling source with all the resources available at a fresh start.

Saying "they could be making XP in a more efficient manner" doesn't alleviate the complaint. If that new low level player wants to get in on the FATE action, they should be able to participate in equal measure and have the same shot as a synced level 50. They cannot even benefit from having a group of high levels coming in and storming it, and follow them from FATE to FATE in hopes of getting some fast XP and maybe enjoying the hectic nature of the action.

Maybe they shouldn't have put the Atma drops in regions in starting zones, or restrict them to only the latter half of the zone, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by MrSagitarius

I can appreciate the new player's frustration with trying to complete a FATE with so many Zenith's about, but why is a level 10 player even FATE grinding? And a new one at that?

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I didn't complain when I was at level 10 but I ground(grinded?) FATEs because I kept seeing them in the map. I didn't realize it was much more efficient to focus on the main storyline and just go back to the areas that I missed until I got frustrated because at 25 I still don't have a chocobo lol

Coming from guild wars 2 to this first thing I did was fate grinding lol. Just how I learned to level :)

This whole argument quite frankly, is silly and pointless.

1. A lot of people are doing fates.
(this is a good thing, it promotes party play and faster fate respawns)
2. A lot of people have shiny gear
(this motivates younger characters to strive for the high end, but due to level cap, this gear is NOT SUPERIOR.)
3. A lot of people have multiple class abilities & mounts
(this is a slight advantage, but by no means is it going to make them blockade young character access.)

I thoughts FATEs were more for "I was just in the Area" kinda thing. AT FIRST anyway. Thought fate grinding really started when players were on their second play through or alt classes. When i started the game back in AUG, dint really touch fates. Rather I had patience for atleast 1 dungeon a day. Back than 1 dungeon either got you 50% of your bar or 1 Level. Plus Main Scenerio and Hunting log. took about 3 weeks to hit 50 though o3o.

If you ever encounter him again advise him of how he has much better tools to level up at this point than fates.

im a bit confused here. you are level synced for the fates, when you are level synced arent your ilvl synced as well? thus making the zenith weaker?

To top gear, at maximum level for the FATE.

That's part of the reason why I tried to grind out my ATMAs in the higher level parts of each zone, and I did the lower level zones first before moving onto the higher ones.

1) level 10 shouldnt be fate grinding, TONS of quests that will get you to 20 in a few hours.
2) once this guy hits 20 he can get a mount and that whole outran thing is gone.
3) fate grinding isnt really efficient anymore anyways, grind while you que randoms and bask in your massive exp

This poor misguided ponce was just doing it wrong.

At least they're not soloing the fate for 15 mins only to fail. I remember plenty of those. Kids have it so easy these days :)

I'm leveling an alt right now.

If I come across a Fate, I'll run it, but I don't need the XP from it...even though I'm leveling 2 classes at the same time (ACN and CNJ), which new players just don't do (only leveling their first class til 30 when they realize they need a second and third) Heck, my "main" class (28 ACN) is my highest (CNJ is almost 27), and I don't even run dungeons on it (that's my CNJ...I'm not sitting in queue lol), just leveling with quests (no leves and I've forgotten both Hunting Logs). I may even get SMN/SCH before I open Haukke Mannor...which is kinda scary lol

Yeah, I do know what I'm doing and how to maximize my XP across 2 classes (really should get on THM again and get Swiftcast...) but I do remember overleveling for the MSQ until later on for my main (this character) when I had no idea what to do.

Not sure if this had been mentioned in other threads but how about making a minimum time fates are allowed to be up 5 minutes (with the exception of boss fates). Gives all a chance to get there and cap fame. For those grinding ATMA they can just move on.

As far as I have found you don't have to cap or stick around the fate to get ATMA.

The thing is new FATEs don't appear until the old ones get cleared first, so cutting and running will just make you wait longer instead of finishing them to begin with.

Could just invite them to your party, then they'd get a better score too.

well here's the dilemma really. without atma farming, new players are left to try to solo fates. with atma farming, new players are struggling to complete the fates before they end. the real solution in the current game, as mentioned prior, is to invite the new players to your party so they can get gold on the fates.

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Originally Posted by Kret

1) level 10 shouldnt be fate grinding

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I see your comment and raise you with a level 50 shouldn't be grinding level 10 Fates.

See what I did there?

This whole system is broken, stupid and broken.

Nah. The system isn't broken or stupid. The people who work and operate the system however, that's questionable.

The only real edge that higher levels would even have would be mounts since Fates are level synced. It has been this way before Atmas were even implemented so saying that they're the cause of them for being completed too quickly is kinda silly.

People who wanna cry victim should honestly take a look at other options if they can't get something accomplished by themselves. Either team up with other players, level up and go get your mount, or go run dungeons for your EXP. The game literally throws it at you through so many venues.

Complaining would only do us some bit of good if it were part of that weekly challenge log hurdle; I'd be rich and all my jobs would of been capped to 50.

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Originally Posted by Odd

I see your comment and raise you with a level 50 shouldn't be grinding level 10 Fates.

See what I did there?

This whole system is broken, stupid and broken.

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Except the character gets level synced so isn't lvl50 anymore.
Also, "grinding" fates at that lvl is completely pointless since you are doing more running then anything. you get a ton more xp of just doing quests and doing the fate that happens to be close by.

If a level ten wants to grind level ten FATEs, more power to 'em. Who are you to tell them they can't do FATEs at their level. Maybe they don't feel confident enough as their class to go to dungeons yet. Just because it may not be the most efficient way to level gives you no right to say "How dare you complain about not being able to complete FATEs at level ten, even though these FATEs are level ten! I'm doing Atmas noob, get outta my way!"

It's not necessary to murder everything in the FATE to get an ATMA, and you only need a certain percentage to get gold if you're farming seals as well. Just like the turn in FATES where you only need to turn in 8 items for gold. When I was doing the low level FATES and new players showed up, I'd just get my percentage of the completion bar and move on to the next one. Since you don't even need gold to get an ATMA drop it's in your best interest to run around the zone and get hits on multiple FATES to increase your chances of a drop.

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Originally Posted by Lupus_Lux

Just like the turn in FATES where you only need to turn in 8 items for gold.

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Actually, it's 6.

What should have happened is someone inviting the new player to their fate party. The same thing happened back in 2.0 when Quarrymill was the busiest place in the game.