Culinarian guildleve "Finger food" in Uldah and one in Gridania both give a message about needing "Guild Support". Everytime I get this I either fail the item or have to "hasty hand" it to get it done. You can only get common support in grid and uldah, have to go to LL to get guild or master's.
The alternative is to remember to get support in LL, but why should I start every time in that city? I'm not always there. Otherwise it is Uldah->LL->Uldah. Doing these leves burn enough time and anima as it is.
I even bought the breadbaking book the item requires, specifically because of this, and I still cant complete the craft being 4 ranks higher than it.
FIX THIS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. that is all.
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03-09-2011, 12:22 PMSparkerLocal Leves Require "Guild" support in cities that don't have that guild.
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03-09-2011, 04:02 PMtymora
Usually have no difficulty (maybe a break or 2) finishing leves up to 6-7 ranks above me with Basic support.
Inappropriate equipments? -
03-09-2011, 04:10 PMWynn
OP is correct IMHO. A good deal of culinarian items require guild support, many of them leve items. Trying them without the support, even significantly above the level of the synth, is difficult at best. Which means you can expect to travel to Limsa to do your leves as a culinarian.
The real problem, as I see it, is just how many culinarian items require guild support. I can make exotic growth formulas and intricate armor until the cows come home anywhere I please, but the twelve forbid I make some butter without guild facilities. -
03-10-2011, 02:06 AMJudge_Xero
I agree it does suck not getting guild support when you aren't in the city that supports it. I do Armorer and Goldsmithing. I spend most of my time in Ul'dah and can't afford the Anima to get to Limsa if I need 60 mins of Armorer support. On most things I don't have an issue completing a synth without the "required" support. But on things that I can actually get good SP on, it makes a huge difference on success. My most recent example is that I wanted to make some Iron Nugget with Blacksmith, so I could make Iron Square for Armorer. The Nuggets take Guild Support to improve success.
I can understand why the option isn't there. Why would a camp have the same Equipment as a Guild? If you want that kind of support you gotta go to the source. At least we can get Common Support from anywhere. Honestly, if it's not believable I'd rather not have it. There really shouldn't be the option to get Guild or Master support from anywhere other than the Guilds. Thank you SE for not spoon feeding us. -
03-10-2011, 07:48 AMFleur
This has been an annoyance of mine as well. The goldsmith leve 2 x 2 Eyes in Limsa requires guild support, but the guild is in Ul'dah. So after I get the leve I go get the materials from the NPC and then do the actual crafting later when I am in Ul'dah. Of course, then I have to remember to deliver it next time I am in Limsa (before picking up new leves), and this would be quite inconvenient if I actually could find 8 rank appropriate crafting leves to fill my journal with each reset.
There are plenty of recipes that do not require guild support, so why not just use those for crafting leves in cities without the guild? -
03-10-2011, 07:57 AMSuzaku
Umm...unless they ninja changed it, the game ignores you not having the proper support or training for leve synths. I'll have to go back to the lodestone to find the post, but it was quite explicitly stated to be that way. That doesn't mean that guild facilities won't help in a general way, but if you're doing a synth for a leve and it says it requires a particular facility or specific training, it can safely be ignored.
On an unrelated (maybe) note, I have been having more issues with synthing in general lately, support or no. I've gone on runs where I don't fail a single synth for something 5 levels above me, but I can't complete something at my level to save my life. No training or facility requirements at all. -
03-10-2011, 01:41 PMWynn
If that is true, Suzaku, that really hasn't been my experience. Any leve I do that requires support for the synthed item is very difficult for me to complete without the correct support on. So I have to give up after the first few tries before I risk not being able to complete the leve and wait until I can get the support. As soon as I do, boom, easy peasy.
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03-11-2011, 02:18 AMSuzaku
Huh. I have not had any issues with leve recipes requiring support that I haven't had on same level leves that don't.
I did do some poking around the lodestone and couldn't find the statement in question. I am completely positive that I saw it--and my own experience with crafting does back it up--but there is always the chance of me being crazy.
Well, crazier than normal. -
03-11-2011, 02:24 AMTruvy
You can get basic support from the Repair NPC (Choose 2nd option from the initial question they ask you). Its the same support that is offered out at the camps. If you need Guild or Master support, then it does sorta make sense you need to go to those guilds. Eitherway, I've found very few synths worth leveling up on that you couldn't either A) grind through with proper books or crafting abilities. or B) level up on a different synth.
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03-11-2011, 02:31 AMUnderwear
You can get support from repair npcs, just choose the option 'I'd like to repair my own items'. Make sure you are the proper class before selecting that though.
That's definitely not the case Suzaku, though on syntheses that are lower than your rank you can get away without support when it asks for it. There's a noticeable difference in doing a synth with support when it requires it and not having it. The same goes with training. -
03-11-2011, 03:04 AMSparkerReread the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
I am not complaining about wanting to sit and grind a craft in a different city. I think it is ridiculous to have a LOCAL LEVE that requires GUILD SUPPORT (In case you don't know, that is the second level of support (Common->Guild->Master) but is for a city without that guild. I have to carry the leve around, or god forbid I actually want to do all 8 at once with different crafts, I need to accept it, run or tele to the other city, get support, make it, run or tele to the camp in the other zone to drop it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judge_Xero
This is the exact purpose of me starting this topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fleur
Yeah... I think we know how to get basic support. With basic support and the training book purchased, I still have a very hard time completing a single synth for 400sp on a local leve required guild support. I want the guildmarks, I can't just "level up on a different synth" you have to do it to finish the leve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truvy
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03-11-2011, 03:20 AMAratharnThe only thing local leves ignore are sub requirements. Having support/training most definitely will make a difference on local leves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suzaku
As far as the issue of guild/master only available in 1 city... hopefully we get chocobos/airships sometime soon and then it won't be as big an issue. -
04-25-2011, 04:20 AMDoubleEchoThis is the main problem - these are LOCAL leves. The fact that you need to travel to another city to get Guild support to synth the item properly kind of defeats the whole "local" thing. 2x2 Eyes is a great example of this. And if you want to argue that it's still OK without Guild support, consider this: I'm Leatherworker 50, and if I don't pick up at least Guild support for dyed toad leather (which it requires for the best conditions) then I can actually fail with a NQ hide and just squeak by with a +1 or +2 hide. The synthesis support, if required, greatly affects whether the synth completes. And would you even think of synthing a Dodore Doublet or Silver Tricorne with just common tannery when it requires Guild, even if your LW 50? I sure as hell don't take that chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparker
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04-25-2011, 05:13 AMReika
They didnt change it. If it says you need the 'Guild' Facility, you might want to use the guild facility unless you want luck to play more of a role in your synthesis. Using a Common facility does not replace Guild facility, and wont increase your chanses any. They really should replace those Leves that require guild facility from other cities with something else. I know Blacksmith leves from Gridania make you go get guild facility from Limsa.
The leves you worked on clearly didn't need more than Common facility then.....Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
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04-25-2011, 05:58 AMLeknaat
Yeah There have been times I've wanted to do levels like 2x2 but simply gave up because it'd require me going to Ul'dah and then running back to LL. It's a poor choice in SE's part. I wouldn't mind if the local leves required 'common support' but I don't think the local leves should force you to go to another city to complete them.
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04-25-2011, 09:41 AMLienn
I agree. Makes no sense a city offering a levequest that actually cannot be completed there.
SE should make some leves change nation to fit the guild requeriment of them...or make, just like subcrafts are removed during leves, that they all can be succesfully done with common facility. -
04-26-2011, 08:47 AMCelestialFurry
To me, it seems silly that common support is everywhere and both guild and masters are only available in guild. Who would choose guild when master's is right there?
I propose changing the availability of support to the following:
common: located at camps, repair npc and guild.
guild: located at repair npc and guild. After all, the repair npc presumably needs facilities as well.
masters: located at guild only.
That way you would be able to have access to a decent level of support, even if not in the home city. -
04-26-2011, 08:49 AMReika
I actually think master should be located in some remote location. WHO IS..... the master blacksmith?
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04-27-2011, 08:02 PMPeregrineQuote:
Originally Posted by CelestialFurry
Me, all the time! That junk is expensive at 50!
I agree that local leves requiring support not found in the local area should be replaced. Dooooesn't make a lot of sense to have to carry your SP-level-grind-appropriate lance synths from grid to limsa, your spectacles from limsa to ulda, and your bladed shields from ulda to limsa, synth them there or pretty much fail horribly, then have to take them back to the original cities.
I'm not even a big fan of local leves that require subjobs. Weavers with leatherworking have their reward in the market. Weavers without it shouldn't be SOL for half their locals without it too. -
04-27-2011, 09:53 PMLienn
Well, there's the other guilds at hamlets...maybe it was supposed to there having a facility NPC too...would fix it all.
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04-28-2011, 12:28 AMPeregrine
Yeah but the Hamlets are way out in BFE, irrelevant to local leves as we know them. I can't even think of a good reason for there to be guilds way out there.